Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

mnztr wrote:Very smart looking ships. The current gen of Russian ships have really nice lines and proportions

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

mnztr wrote:Very smart looking ships. The current gen of Russian ships have really nice lines and proportions

Yeah the 22160 is a very nice looking boat.

calripson wrote:Displacement around 2,000 tons
Speed 27 knots
Range 4,500

Kaliber Missiles 8
Surface to Air Either 32 Short Range or 96 Short range (9M100E)/24 Long range (9M96E) Redut Missile System
57MM Naval Gun
2 "Machine Guns"
Hydro-acoustic Complex GAS GPBA

lancelot wrote:Except existing ships in this class have no VLS at all. They are glorified patrol boats.
At least the first ones were built quickly. But do not expect these ships to compete with a corvette like the 20380.

PapaDragon wrote:
Scale model of Bykov-class from Naval Expo 21 in St. Pete

They got some extra stuff lined up in this version but I can't figure out what just from numbers on that plaque, can someone tell what is what and where it goes?

Tingsay wrote:
In hindsight and now with this heavier version, Russia could've saved a lot of time, money and headache had they merged this class with karakurt and the later versions of Buyan into one major class with different variants for patrol ships,corvettes/missile boats.

Kaliber Missiles 8
Surface to Air Either 32 Short Range or 96 Short range (9M100E)/24 Long range (9M96E) Redut Missile System

Big_Gazza wrote:

Tingsay wrote:
In hindsight and now with this heavier version, Russia could've saved a lot of time, money and headache had they merged this class with karakurt and the later versions of Buyan into one major class with different variants for patrol ships,corvettes/missile boats.

Different designs for different roles.   Bykov is a long endurance patrol boat.  Neither Karakurt or Buyan-M could properly fulfill this misison.

PapaDragon wrote:

Tingsay wrote:....In hindsight and now with this heavier version, Russia could've saved a lot of time, money and headache had they merged this class with karakurt and the later versions of Buyan into one major class with different variants for patrol ships,corvettes/missile boats. ....

If you merge those classes you get Gorshkov frigate, they already have that

And let's not forget that Bykov is still built according to civilian specifications which is why it is an offshore patrol vessel, it's original role hasn't changed



Now as for this latest flavour we need to remember that the forward AA VLS is not new development, it was there in the original design but Navy asked that accommodation for platoon of marines be installed there instead

What is new are torpedo launchers (Paket-M?) and those extra AA VLS in the middle

I think that there was space reserved for them in the original project but they didn't want to overstuff the unproven platform (Russia didn't operate military vessels based on civilian standard before)



Now after seeing them perform in practice they probably feel more confident about them so they decided they want to add some more features

Idea behind this one seems to be to have a ship that they can send halfway across the planet with orders to be pain in someone's ass for couple of months (in addition to it's original role as patrol ship)

For example standard version could have been ignored by submarines but this one is a different story because it can spot them and report their position back home so ignoring them is no longer an option which adds the workload

ALAMO wrote:

Tingsay wrote:
I didn't mean a unified ship that fulfills long distance patrol, missile boat and corvette at the same time (Stere and Gorsh class). I meant a common platform that can be adjusted for each the 3 roles separately depending on the demand and also unifying building process and maintenance. Would've been the perfect precursor to the Mercury class.

But again, this is only in hindsight. I can understand how or why they went from buyan to gepard to buyan-M  to karakurt then to bykov.

I think that it is next to impossible to combine the characteristics of these projects.
While Bykov can be used on the rivers, Buyan cant be used in the Arctic. Making one class that would combine this task means you get an unnecessary expensive ship, with the combination of partially unneeded features. Besides, what you see as a difference, is the hull shape. Those are simply steel sheets welded together. There is not much difference in how those are welded. It is not more than 20% of the entire construction cost, maybe even less.  The real cost factor is electronics, weapons, and engines. As long as those are more or less unified, the shape is irrelevant.

hoom wrote:I think it makes more sense if its:
A 'general purpose' version with 8* Kalibr and 8* Redut with 32* quad-packed 9M100.
Would guess this would be the Kalibr on foredeck & a quad-cell each side aft.