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They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.Ned86 wrote:I am wondering why in neither video we have seen so far(showing Kuznetsov group heading to Syria), neither russian ship had its radar working? (I suppose if radar shaft is not rotating, then it is probably not turned on?)
For example in last video, neither Kuznetsov has its Fregat radar working, nor Petr Veliky has any of its radars in "scan mode".
That speed, around 10 knots from tracking the tug following them, has been their speed all the way from the north of Norway. So unlikely to be dense traffic related, more a comfortable speed for everyone including the support vessels and kind on engines etc (no PR disaster breakdowns).Honesroc wrote:If I recall right from my Navy days, those SU-33's are at +15 (meaning: ready for flight in 15 minutes).
.... that's a good amount of smoke pillowing from the K. Wonder what her top speed is?
Speaking of which, the relatively slow speed through the channel may have something to do with high traffic in the area, or the K's power plant. -That's just speculation on my part.
Because obviously they are the greatest aggressive threat to UK since the Spanish Armada!I am wondering why in neither video we have seen so far, neither russian ship had its radar working?
The only information I have found says that the Essen will be in Malta 25th to 28th so it looks like she has gone on ahead. This is her in the BalticLuq man wrote:I thought the Admiral Essen would've joined them on their way through the channel, any news on that...?
In all videos we have seen so far, all ships that have been filmed had theirs radars off.JohninMK wrote:
They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.
Ned86 wrote:In all videos we have seen so far, all ships that have been filmed had theirs radars off.JohninMK wrote:
They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.
We have prof of Kuznetsov and Petr Veliky with radars switched off in English channel as well as in this video somewhere near Shetlands where it is obvious that Admiral Kulakov had it radars switched off too.
Maybe they are practicing radio silence, or this is to show "non agression", but I think that they missed unique opportunity to scan and track NATO vessels and Aircraft, and to practice tracking and targeting them. Anyway, guys in Russian navy probably know theirs reasons.
Ned86 wrote:In all videos we have seen so far, all ships that have been filmed had theirs radars off.JohninMK wrote:
They have had clear visibility all the way so far. With all their other ships around them why would they need to run their own radar, especially with no flight ops running? I don't think we have any film of when they were in the Norwegian Sea, when they did have flight ops running, to check if the radars were on then.
We have prof of Kuznetsov and Petr Veliky with radars switched off in English channel as well as in this video somewhere near Shetlands where it is obvious that Admiral Kulakov had it radars switched off too.
Maybe they are practicing radio silence, or this is to show "non agression", but I think that they missed unique opportunity to scan and track NATO vessels and Aircraft, and to practice tracking and targeting them. Anyway, guys in Russian navy probably know theirs reasons.
George1 wrote:Polish Defense Chief Claims Egypt Sold Mistral Ships to Russia for $1
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046590020-mistrals-sale-russia-egypt/
Claims of Egypt Selling Mistral Ships to Russia 'Nonsense' - Russian MoD
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046595583-egypt-russia-mistral/
SeigSoloyvov wrote:George1 wrote:Polish Defense Chief Claims Egypt Sold Mistral Ships to Russia for $1
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046590020-mistrals-sale-russia-egypt/
Claims of Egypt Selling Mistral Ships to Russia 'Nonsense' - Russian MoD
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046595583-egypt-russia-mistral/
Well...if they did that would be interesting?.
That said unless the ships make dock in Russia..zero point to consider any of this fact.
Poland will say anything against Russia at this point.
Edit: On a side note if this was true (100 percent doubt it) maybe this is a reason russia is sending such a huge fleet down there?.
To have some Escorts take the Mistrals home so no one gets any funny ideas?.
Isos wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:George1 wrote:Polish Defense Chief Claims Egypt Sold Mistral Ships to Russia for $1
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046590020-mistrals-sale-russia-egypt/
Claims of Egypt Selling Mistral Ships to Russia 'Nonsense' - Russian MoD
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046595583-egypt-russia-mistral/
Well...if they did that would be interesting?.
That said unless the ships make dock in Russia..zero point to consider any of this fact.
Poland will say anything against Russia at this point.
Edit: On a side note if this was true (100 percent doubt it) maybe this is a reason russia is sending such a huge fleet down there?.
To have some Escorts take the Mistrals home so no one gets any funny ideas?.
I think the K in Syria is in case Clinton wins and has stupid ideas. I'm pretty sure they have nuk warhead on some P-700. That's why English are so scared.
IMO, They don't need Mistrals. It's a civil design whithout any decent defences on it. A realy big target that would make you loose a lot if it's destroyed in a war.
In all fairness the K doesn't require so many escorts giving what she has with her now, that said ships of that type even the US class have little AA ships that of that type relay on escorts vessels for protection.
The photos in the link were taken from the helicopter of a Dutch frigate about 7 hours ago, so probably in that part of the North Sea. Interesting that they have a tug along with them.PapaDragon wrote:
Those two Buyans just arrived in North Sea. Not too shabby for couple of river boats. Now if someone could please tell me what are they doing over there?
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1537270.html
JohninMK wrote:The photos in the link were taken from the helicopter of a Dutch frigate about 7 hours ago, so probably in that part of the North Sea. Interesting that they have a tug along with them.PapaDragon wrote:
Those two Buyans just arrived in North Sea. Not too shabby for couple of river boats. Now if someone could please tell me what are they doing over there?
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1537270.html
Be interesting which way they go now, Baltic or Northern Fleet. Either way they will get a warm welcome, they went through a baptism of fire Atlantic storm off Portugal.
They may be small but they certainly pack a few punches.
Militarov wrote:
People used to cross Atlantic and fight wars in ships half of that tonnage and 1/3 of Buyan-M lenght, on top of everything ships used to be wodden. Also people cross Atlantic fairly regulary on yachts that are nowehere near in size of Buyan. All that ocea-sea going classifications are abit pointless these days. Sure you will have alot better ride on 6.000t displacement ship but doesnt mean smaller ships cant deal with it.
Isos wrote:Militarov wrote:
People used to cross Atlantic and fight wars in ships half of that tonnage and 1/3 of Buyan-M lenght, on top of everything ships used to be wodden. Also people cross Atlantic fairly regulary on yachts that are nowehere near in size of Buyan. All that ocea-sea going classifications are abit pointless these days. Sure you will have alot better ride on 6.000t displacement ship but doesnt mean smaller ships cant deal with it.
If the sea is calm it can go anyywhere. But in storms waves are much higher in open sea/ocean than in litoral waters, that's the problem.
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