Russian Navy: Status & News #3

GarryB wrote:OK, I have deleted some of the more inflamatory posts... if I have to delete more there will be bans.... am I clear.

PapaDragon wrote:

eehnie wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Interview with Admiral Korolev (Head of the Navy).
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7. Gorshkov class frigates
They will start getting indicted to service.
People can be as sarcastic as they want for the long time it is taking to do all the tests. Fact of the matter is, we at the Navy, we are very picky. We want to get things right. After all, the process of building the rest of the series depends on what the characteristics of the main ship will be. The cornerstone is reliability and efficiency. Our position: the Navy needs ships with the combat capabilities of tomorrow.

This is nice and all but if true then why did thy decide to cancel the series at 4th ship?

Now had they committed to building more it would be different story but they just dropped it and any announced derivative like enlarged Super Gorshkov or upgraded frigate sized Gorshkov will also require loads of testing.  

So back to square one.

Seriously, has this been confirmed?

No.

The man allways playing its role.

Why don't you do your role and go f**k yourself you pisshead?

Cyberspec wrote:The French Stealth Frigate "La Fayette" has entered the Black Sea.

The Russians are saying their tracking station in the Crimea could see it hundreds of kilometres away...all the way when it sailed into the Bosphorus apparently

https://topwar.ru/130036-francuzskiy-fregat-nevidimku-zasekli-rossiyskie-radary.html

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:The French Stealth Frigate "La Fayette" has entered the Black Sea.

The Russians are saying their tracking station in the Crimea could see it hundreds of kilometres away...all the way when it sailed into the Bosphorus apparently

https://topwar.ru/130036-francuzskiy-fregat-nevidimku-zasekli-rossiyskie-radary.html

Meeh this was not Russian radars but a stink of French  cheese

Despite grandiose plans being mooted in documents such as the recently approved naval doctrine, Russia is planning to focus its naval construction on submarines and small ships. In surface ships, the focus will be on new corvettes of several different types that will have greater displacement and better armament than existing classes, as well as the start of serial production of the long-delayed Admiral Gorshkov-class of frigates. Until the problems with the Admiral Gorshkov are resolved, the Navy will continue to build the less advanced Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates.

The only new class of surface ships expected to be built in the next eight years are the so-called Super Gorshkov-class, an 8,000-ton frigate that is increasingly seen as a cheaper and more practical alternative to the 14,000-ton Lider-class destroyers. The key takeaway is that the Russian Navy is looking to increase the size of its smaller ships in order to increase their armament and endurance, while reducing costs by indefinitely postponing the procurement of larger ships such as destroyers, amphibious assault ships, and aircraft carriers.

As for submarines, SAP-2027 will undoubtedly include financing for the completion of six Yasen-M nuclear attack submarines and possibly for a seventh, as well as for the modernization of four to six each of the Soviet-era Oscar- and Akula-class nuclear attack submarines.

PapaDragon wrote:
OK people, this is from  State Armament Program for 2018-2027 (thanks Austin)

http://www.ponarseurasia.org/memo/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027

Despite grandiose plans being mooted in documents such as the recently approved naval doctrine, Russia is planning to focus its naval construction on submarines and small ships. In surface ships, the focus will be on new corvettes of several different types that will have greater displacement and better armament than existing classes, as well as the start of serial production of the long-delayed Admiral Gorshkov-class of frigates. Until the problems with the Admiral Gorshkov are resolved, the Navy will continue to build the less advanced Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates.

The only new class of surface ships expected to be built in the next eight years are the so-called Super Gorshkov-class, an 8,000-ton frigate that is increasingly seen as a cheaper and more practical alternative to the 14,000-ton Lider-class destroyers. The key takeaway is that the Russian Navy is looking to increase the size of its smaller ships in order to increase their armament and endurance, while reducing costs by indefinitely postponing the procurement of larger ships such as destroyers, amphibious assault ships, and aircraft carriers.

As for submarines, SAP-2027 will undoubtedly include financing for the completion of six Yasen-M nuclear attack submarines and possibly for a seventh, as well as for the modernization of four to six each of the Soviet-era Oscar- and Akula-class nuclear attack submarines.

This is damn good plan if I do say so myself (not that anyone would ask me, myself included)

They have done designing all the ship types they require, now they just need to finally get them into production.

Missile ships, corvettes and frigates. Nice and simple. And if they do throw in some more Yasen subs in the mix it will be beyond excellent.

Only unknown is lack of transport ships but as Syria has shown it can be handled with standard civilian vessels, no need to chase some fancy new projects.
Just order 20 or 30 RoRo ships in bulk from South Korea, paint them gray, install radars and comms and they are golden. Zubr hovercrafts can handle beaches (they plan on restarting production of those anyway)

Glad they dropped the whole supercarrier/nuke-destroyer shtick, it was not needed at all. One thing they could use is new helicopter carrier with STOVL option but they can do that later I guess...

The-thing-next-door wrote:....................

No new heavy missile cruiser WTF are they thinking they only have 2 of those and they have a severe lack of destroyers.

They have more than enough spam boats to cover their own waters the navy needs some offensive weapons that aren't nuclear.

PapaDragon wrote:
OK people, this is from  State Armament Program for 2018-2027 (thanks Austin)

The-thing-next-door wrote:

No new heavy missile cruiser WTF are they thinking they only have 2 of those and they have a severe lack of destroyers.

They have more than enough spam boats to cover their own waters the navy needs some offensive weapons that aren't nuclear.

eehnie wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
OK people, this is from  State Armament Program for 2018-2027 (thanks Austin)

This is about the State Armament Program, not from the State Armament Program. This is a preview made by outside organizations. It is an external analysis. Thanks to Austin, note that he never said this is from the State Armament Program 2018-2025 like you said.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2025#209938

Obviously you like, and the reason is also obvious.

PapaDragon wrote:
OK people, this is from  State Armament Program for 2018-2027 (thanks Austin)

http://www.ponarseurasia.org/memo/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027

This memo summarizes publicly available information regarding the types of armaments that will be procured for the Russian military in the next eight years and assesses the likelihood that the Russian government will be able to meet these commitments

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:

No new heavy missile cruiser WTF are they thinking they only have 2 of those and they have a severe lack of destroyers.

They have more than enough spam boats to cover their own waters the navy needs some offensive weapons that aren't nuclear.

Gorshkov-M, with 8000 tons displacement (and the resulting armament), will be a destroyer, not a frigate.

Same class as the chinese 052D class destroyer, while the new chinese 055, with 13000 tons and 112VLS is a cruiser.

If they ever realize the leader, even if they insist calling it a destroyer, that will be an heavy cruiser

The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

PapaDragon wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

And what would they need Liders for that is so urgent?