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PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.
that said they should build about six of these at least.
2 just isn't enough.
2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place
They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier
SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.
that said they should build about six of these at least.
2 just isn't enough.
2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place
They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier
Once they finish up the three LK-60Ya-class they will build three LK-110Ya class
No more Arktika's will be built.
eehnie wrote:
Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.
PapaDragon wrote:eehnie wrote:
Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.
Don't you have family members to interact with?
I'm actually hoping he stays around at this point. On mute (choosing what posts you see), he's good comedy value.PapaDragon wrote:eehnie wrote:
Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.
Don't you have family members to interact with?
Full load:
8500? tons
...
Armament:
1 helicopter
1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:PapaDragon wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.
that said they should build about six of these at least.
2 just isn't enough.
2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place
They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier
Once they finish up the three LK-60Ya-class they will build three LK-110Ya class
No more Arktika's will be built.
I posted this on Icebreaker tread, something is cooking on Arktika topic, maybe
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2991505.html
Still I would not mind if they just jump into LK110 ASAP, those monsters would be epic
If need be, they could even be sent South of the Arctic Circle as force multipliers, given delays in deliveries of other ship classes.Installation of combat modules is possible only in a special period. At this time it is planned that the vessel can be enlisted to strengthen the naval grouping of the Northern Fleet, "the newspaper writes with reference to the representative of the naval commander-in-chief. ..
All Soviet nuclear-powered icebreakers provided for the installation of artillery weapons in a threatened period. The development of modular technologies will allow expanding the range of installed weapons. The most demanded modules will be modules designed to solve air defense problems, but they still have to be created. We already have container "Caliber-K" with cruise missiles, with which the icebreaker will actually turn into a strike ship,.. https://topwar.ru/130224-ledokol-lider-mozhet-poluchit-vooruzhenie.html?utm_source=smi2
PapaDragon wrote:
They published new defense budget.
So any news on procurements and fresh platforms?
KiloGolf wrote:
In USD they're spending as much as Japan
Most likely PAK FA and Armata will suffer from this. Apart from the usual, S-300PMU3, a few new choppers and planes and suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
KiloGolf wrote:
Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.
In USD they're spending as much as Japan
suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
GunshipDemocracy wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.
In USD they're spending as much as Japan
suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
chicken Little - "sky is falling? "
not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket. Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.
I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs. In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.
Singular_Transform wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
In USD they're spending as much as Japan
Most likely PAK FA and Armata will suffer from this. Apart from the usual, S-300PMU3, a few new choppers and planes and suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
The exchange rate affected by the banking interconnections, not by the military/industrial capabilities/capacities.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.
In USD they're spending as much as Japan
suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
chicken Little - "sky is falling? "
not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket. Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.
I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs. In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.
KiloGolf wrote:
2.8 trillion down from 3.1, is that also included in your PPP cliche answer?
Russia is cutting their defense spending, projects will suffer more than they do right now.
KiloGolf wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.
In USD they're spending as much as Japan
suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
chicken Little - "sky is falling? "
not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket. Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.
I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs. In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.
2.8 trillion down from 3.1, is that also included in your PPP cliche answer?
Russia is cutting their defense spending, projects will suffer more than they do right now.
2011 - 1.515
2012 - 1.812
2013 - 2.106
2014 - 2.49
2015 - 3.032
2016 - 3.889
2017 - 2.84
2018 - 2.728
2019 - 2.816
Total = 23,22 Trillion
SAP -2020 projected a figure of 23 trillion rouble ( 20 Trillion of Military Budget + 3 Trillion for MIC )
Austin wrote:
Does Russia have the financial means for its military ambitions?
The usual retardation of using the dollar exchange rate to evaluate the economy of a country. Using this pre-school level thinking Russia's
GDP must have shrunk by 60% between 2014 and 2015. Well, it only shrank by 3.5% and is going to grow this year and next. So either
use rubles to evaluate the Russian military budget or shut the f*ck up.
NATO bleaters are so full of shit it is coming out of their ears. Russian military product prices are not inflated corrupt prices like in NATO.
So even if using rubles to evaluate the Russian military budget, one has to apply a mulitplier of between 3 and 6 to account for what those
rubles can actually buy compared to what dollars can buy in NATO.
Developments since 2014 have not been kind to Russia’s economy. Heavily dependent on oil and gas export revenues, the nation’s currency, gross domestic product (GDP), and real living standards, all suffered substantially from the sharp fall in oil prices that occurred in late 2014. Russian GDP shrank by 3.7% in real terms in 2015, and is generally expected to fall by a further 0.8% this year, according to the October 2016 forecast of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
In this paragraph they basically insinuate that that there has been some sort of massive drop associated with oil and gas revenues even though
the numbers they cite do not support this claim whatsoever. In 2013 Russia's GDP included 13.7% for the whole gas and oil industry including
value added production. If one applies a 50% reduction to this sector due to prices there should have been a 6.85% GDP drop from this alone
but there was none and other factors drove the GDP drop. The reason is that the ruble revenue for the oil and gas stayed the same thanks to the
ruble forex change. Russia's GDP does not operate on dollars. It operates on rubles.
miketheterrible wrote:I'm just going to put this whole thing to rest already...
https://www.russiadefence.net/t24p225-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#176903
https://www.russiadefence.net/t24p250-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#184194
2011 - 1.515
2012 - 1.812
2013 - 2.106
2014 - 2.49
2015 - 3.032
2016 - 3.889
2017 - 2.84
2018 - 2.728
2019 - 2.816
Total = 23,22 Trillion
SAP -2020 projected a figure of 23 trillion rouble ( 20 Trillion of Military Budget + 3 Trillion for MIC )
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