Indo-China dispute

Chinese border guards stationed on the border with India in Tibet began to receive exoskeletons

https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/how-india-could-tweak-china-in-the-south-china-sea/?mc_cid=535af42f04&mc_eid=5455568640

Below the cut is an interesting photo of the confrontation between Chinese and Indian armored vehicles on the Line of Actual Control at the Rezang-La pass in Tibetan Ladakh. December 25, 2020. On the Indian side, it is possible to identify the BMP-2 for sure, on the Chinese side, possibly the new Type 15 mountain tanks.

Interesting! TASS published this recent report where it states that “at least 20 Indian soldiers and 45 Chinese servicemen” were killed during the clashes at the Galwan Valley in eastern Ladakh in June last year.

https://tass.com/world/1254813

The Indian casualty figures were well published. But China never released details about its casualties. In fact, last year, even authoritative Indian sources had put the number of PLA casualties at around 10-11.

As a reminder, on 15th June, 2020 around 3000 PLA troops had stormed an Indian Army contingent of around 250-300 soldiers.

No matter the figures it was still a rather stupid thing to have happened and rather than this or that side winning... both sides were the losers on that day... it accomplished nothing and killed too many young men on both sides.

Those guys that were killed didn't make the decision to move forward.... that was someone higher up and being on the Chinese side I rather suspect he might be among the 45 they counted as killed. Company directors found guilty of stealing money often get the death penalty, so a commander that thought such an attack was a good idea would probably meet the same fate.

Of course they wouldn't be too high up in the structure and probably just following orders from higher ups that are too untouchable...

A very good lesson that mass attacks with enormous numbers to overwhelm an enemy does not always work out... and against an enemy that can actually strike back at you it is a very stupid thing to do.

Colonial history is full of small groups fighting off much larger forces... usually with machine guns... a lesson Europe ignored till about the middle of WWI when they got their own taste of how effective machine guns and artillery were against rows of men charging across open ground at men dug in with rifles and machine guns...

Men died in their millions.

China training 8-16 year old Tibetean kids to fight against India

We even had this kind of thing in South Africa when I was a youngster. It teaches basic discipline which is a VERY good thing. Something woefully lacking in Western society. In South Africa lawlessness and criminality has now become the norm as children's education lacks basic discipline and respect for human life.

PS - You can sleep well tonight as China will not invade India anytime soon

ALAMO wrote:What are you even talk about?
It is a military camp for kids, lots of countries have them.
Added to military schools, cadet corps etc.
Usual thing.
And sure, those kids will be recruited, as there is a conscript in China, as soon as they will turn 19.

Military school for 8 year olds? C'mon man.

Sujoy wrote:

ALAMO wrote:What are you even talk about?
It is a military camp for kids, lots of countries have them.
Added to military schools, cadet corps etc.
Usual thing.
And sure, those kids will be recruited, as there is a conscript in China, as soon as they will turn 19.

Military school for 8 year olds? C'mon man.

8 sounds a tad young but I'm not one to judge.

It's not a school, it's just a camp

East German youth were trained with this little beauty in .22 caliber. Would love to have one myself but are extremely rare as most were destroyed.



It has been mentioned that 8-16 year old kids are doing these camps in China?

Soviet era Young Pioneers getting some military training.

I understand the concept of creating conscripts is essential for countries that have a small population.

But why would a country of 1.5 billion people with a 2 million strong army create conscripts? That too including 8 year old kids.

ALAMO wrote:Functionally in all War Pac member states defence was a regular part of school education.
5.6mm (0.22cal) weaponry was stored at schools directly.
Kids were reached how to wear a gas mask, how to treat wounds, how to make a water filter out of a bottle with sand, stones, and carbon, how to use a compass and map ... it would be called "survival techniques" now.
Hell, we even held school olympics and I won 1st prize in shooting when I was 13 y/o, in elementary school

We had a very similar setup in South Africa. The "Voortrekkers" is a youth movement similar to the Young Pioneers or Boys'/Girls Scouts.
In High School we had the Cadets which was a bit more styled like the military but in many ways similar to the "Voortrekker" movement. That was disbanded in 1994 but I believe the Voortrekkers are still active? We also used .22 rifles for target shooting and once a year we had a military style camp where we were introduced to some of the weapons and equipment used by the Army. We were trained to use the R1 (FN FAL) rifle and the Uzi SMG's.

You learn how to use ak-47 at boyscoot camps ? I doubt.

Handling firearms was certainly part of Boy Scout training.

Considering the coalition of the mentally challenged have decided to form against China can you really blame them for wanting to prepare for a conflict.

I am wondering what is wrong with India to not be doing the same, or do they think they are just going to sit in the car beside the US and Japan and Australia and South Korea and throw eggs at Chinas house and then drive away real fast...

The real irony is that if this was Israel no one would even care.

Almost as if western people don't understand their big game use of sanctions and freedom of navigation actions might lead anywhere...

Chinese military experts suggest that China can strike and destroy BRAHMOS deployed at the border in the event of a conflict even before India gets to launch them

Good... that means they are so afraid of it they are planning to attack them before they are launched rather than deal with them as they arrive on target.

Their obvious problem is that there is a first batch of 40 odd missiles but that will no doubt be followed up with purchases of larger batches so the ability to deal with them before they can be launched will only get harder.

Ironically designing a truck based launcher that stores the missiles in a standard shipping crate would mean every truck near the Chinese border carrying such a load on its back will make pre-emptive self defence impossible.

Of course not putting missiles along your border would go a long way to lowering tensions and keeping the peace... they are light and highly mobile so you could put them on a plane and fly them to the border easily and quickly enough without the tension created by basing them there in the first place.

The key to escalations is don't rush to ratchet up the pressure because it always just costs you more money in the long run.

GarryB wrote: Of course not putting missiles along your border would go a long way to lowering tensions and keeping the peace... they are light and highly mobile so you could put them on a plane and fly them to the border easily and quickly enough without the tension created by basing them there in the first place.

Chinese are suggesting that their S-400 missile batteries placed in Tibet will shoot down the BRAHMOs quite easily.