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Log inThanks. Wonder if once issued a number that particular aircraft keeps it into the future. Pretty clever if it does.Hole wrote:General Konashenkov said the numbers are generated automatically by the radar system.
The number of the Il-20M. 007. Fitting for a spy plane.
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S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3
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I doubt it... including friendly and hostile aircraft and UAVs... the three digit number wont be high enough... especially considering the volume of airspace that can be covered... from the ground to 30+km altitude out to about 600km radius... so a circle 1200km across...
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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Borisov announces the soon completion of work on the S-500
Moscow. September 26th INTERFAX-AVN - Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov announced the imminent completion of work on the new-generation C-500 air defense system.
"Our S-300, S-400 and S-500 systems, which are currently being produced, do have better characteristics with respect to all analogues, be they Patriot, whether it's French or Israeli systems," said Borisov. during the XI All-Russian Conference of Young Scientists at the Bauman Moscow State Technical University.
"Russia can rightly be proud of its achievements in the field of anti-aircraft missile systems and air defense systems, missile defense (missile defense), and aerospace defense (aerospace defense)," the deputy prime minister said
In Russia, the elements of the new S-500 air defense system Prometey are being tested, an informed Interfax interlocutor reported on July 4. Currently, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation receive a long-range S-400 Triumph air defense system.
May 15 at a meeting in Sochi on military construction, Russian President Vladimir Putin set the task to speed up the mass production of the S-500.
The S-500 is called the new generation of air-to-air defense systems, a universal long-range and high-altitude intercept system with an enhanced missile defense capability.
Last October, Lieutenant-General Viktor Gumenny, Commander of the Air Defense Forces-PRO, the deputy head of the Airspace Forces of the Russian Federation, told Interfax that the new Prometheus C-500 system
The C-500 will become the basis of a unified national anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense system, said Andrei Cheburin, commander of the antiaircraft defense unit of the First Air Defense Army Air Defense Force Andrei Cheburin earlier in an interview with Krasnaya Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry newspaper.
On May 25, the American television channel CNBC, citing sources who received data from US intelligence, reported that Russia had conducted tests of the C-500. According to the channel, the S-500 system successfully hit the target at a record range - over 480 km. According to the US, this is more than 80 km longer than the range of any known prior test, a CNBC source said.
"Russia claims that the ground-based missile system is capable of intercepting hypersonic missiles, UAVs, aircraft, including stealth aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35," the channel said.
http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=491752
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Comparison especialy for 40H6M good ? what is it the last ? have we size eventualy weight for S-500 ?
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Labrador wrote:Comparison especialy for 40H6M good ? what is it the last ? have we size eventually weight for S-500 ?
do you mean 77n6n?
this is kinetic kill interceptor for S-500, with range 600km/200km + ceiling. Can hit missiles with speeds up to 7km/s . Nothing sure of course ininfo bias.
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9M96 and 9M100 will be part of the S-350 system.
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Yes, there should be two 9M96 types listed a larger one and a smaller one... the larger one has a range of between 120-150km and the smaller one has a range of 40-60km depending on the source.
The smallest missile shown there... the 9M100 has been called Morfei, and is supposed to be a rocket with TVC and high manouverability plus an IIR seeker that has a datalink to the launch platform and can be fired without a target lock and find and lock onto targets after launch.
It reportedly has a 3D IR database of targets so it can identify targets detected from any angle by their IR signature, but the datalink allows the operator to override the targeting system if something is more threatening or to ensure the missiles don't all go after the same target.
It is intended for ground launch in this case, but also as a naval CIWS missile and a short range air to air missile of self defence for aircraft... fixed wing, rotary wing, and unmanned vehicles... it can be carried in an internal weapon bay and released to find its target from stealth aircraft like the Su-57 or a bomber like Tu-22M3M or Tu-160...
The only problem is that this 9M100 has been identified as a small ARH missile... which is a little confusing... perhaps they have radar guided and IIR guided versions, or perhaps the IIR model was just too hard... looking forward to find out... but current info suggests the two smaller S-400 missiles will be S-350, and the Morfei can be part of that but also a separate system for point defence for shooting down stealthy munitions and other difficult targets.
The smallest missile shown there... the 9M100 has been called Morfei, and is supposed to be a rocket with TVC and high manouverability plus an IIR seeker that has a datalink to the launch platform and can be fired without a target lock and find and lock onto targets after launch.
It reportedly has a 3D IR database of targets so it can identify targets detected from any angle by their IR signature, but the datalink allows the operator to override the targeting system if something is more threatening or to ensure the missiles don't all go after the same target.
It is intended for ground launch in this case, but also as a naval CIWS missile and a short range air to air missile of self defence for aircraft... fixed wing, rotary wing, and unmanned vehicles... it can be carried in an internal weapon bay and released to find its target from stealth aircraft like the Su-57 or a bomber like Tu-22M3M or Tu-160...
The only problem is that this 9M100 has been identified as a small ARH missile... which is a little confusing... perhaps they have radar guided and IIR guided versions, or perhaps the IIR model was just too hard... looking forward to find out... but current info suggests the two smaller S-400 missiles will be S-350, and the Morfei can be part of that but also a separate system for point defence for shooting down stealthy munitions and other difficult targets.
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Re: S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3
Labrador Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:11 am
GunshipDemocracy wrote:Labrador wrote:Comparison especialy for 40H6M good ? what is it the last ? have we size eventually weight for S-500 ?
do you mean 77n6n?
this is kinetic kill interceptor for S-500, with range 600km/200km + ceiling. Can hit missiles with speeds up to 7km/s . Nothing sure of course ininfo bias.
Ok but i think such missile is unable as THAAD or Arrow 3 to intercept aircrafts ? and why kill vehicle is a problem better a explosive warhead or trajectory matters ? i think rather trajectory
According the graphic S-500 missile in comparison with 40H6M which do 7.5 m i find 10.6 m … and diameter body x 2.5 more big as a S-200, S-300V the more big variant a monster ! must be to about 6 - 7 tons !
I think not as S-400 deployed in all Russia the S-500 planned 10 Bns mainly around Moscow or St Petersburg
For graphic :
I ask if 40H6M on the graphic is to scale i have 8.75 m and other 7.5 m seems enough good diameter 0.57 - 1 m ? other is to 52 cm
And 9M100 is the missile used by some ships for S-400 the 4th is 9M96D 120 km do 5.6 m the 9M96 40 km, 4.75 m
Many missiles !
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Re: S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3
Labrador Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:15 am
S-400 i have for number of targets engaged at a time 6 for all S-300 including S-300V, VM also and 24 for S-300V4
250 km for 48N6, 40N6 is to 400 km ofc but surely in very limited qty 48N6 is surely in more big number in these units
Technical characteristics
target detection range - up to 600 km;
aerodynamic target kill range - from 3 to 250 km;
tactical ballistic missile destruction range - from 5 to 60 km;
target destruction altitude - from 2 to 27 km;
engageable target velocity - up to 17,300 km/h;
the number of targets engaged at a time - up to 36 (up to six with one air defense missile complex);
the number of simultaneously guided missiles - 72;
the time of the system’s deployment from its march position - 5-10 min, the time of making the system combat ready from the deployed position - 3 min;
http://tass.com/defense/1024655
250 km for 48N6, 40N6 is to 400 km ofc but surely in very limited qty 48N6 is surely in more big number in these units
Technical characteristics
target detection range - up to 600 km;
aerodynamic target kill range - from 3 to 250 km;
tactical ballistic missile destruction range - from 5 to 60 km;
target destruction altitude - from 2 to 27 km;
engageable target velocity - up to 17,300 km/h;
the number of targets engaged at a time - up to 36 (up to six with one air defense missile complex);
the number of simultaneously guided missiles - 72;
the time of the system’s deployment from its march position - 5-10 min, the time of making the system combat ready from the deployed position - 3 min;
http://tass.com/defense/1024655
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Ok but i think such missile is unable as THAAD or Arrow 3 to intercept aircrafts ?
Would be a bit wasteful to use a missile designed to shoot down ballistic targets of strategic nuclear missile performance against an aircraft or cruise missile... they have other missiles for that.
250 km for 48N6, 40N6 is to 400 km ofc but surely in very limited qty 48N6 is surely in more big number in these units
Range is an indication... I rather doubt they would be used at max range... simply because a fast target could simply turn away and leave the max range envelope of the system before the missile could get to it.
Except during war you would want to communicate to the target to tell them they are at risk and need to leave/cease aggressive actions...
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Range is an indication... I rather doubt they would be used at max range... simply because a fast target could simply turn away and leave the max range envelope of the system before the missile could get to it.
They have a speed of ~ mach6. Engagement zone should be 220-230km, hard to run away when you have 20km to go while it goes at mach 6 behinds you. And that is for a slow high flying target.
A fighter will receive signal from RWR and go very low in matters of seconds and hide from the radar. So engagement zone would be even less.
Militarov may know that but it could be possible to launch the missile using information from long range surveillance radar and lock on the target by turning on the engagement radar at the last moment.
Surveillance radar like Nebo use low frequencies very hard if not impossible to detect by fighters. Those radars need big antennas to clearly detect the signal. They may know that the radar is emmiting but they won't know the distance from where it is. Having ranges of 600km in active mode, passivly they can be detected at 1200-1500km so not a good information for the fighter. And even if they could detect it, engagement radars could be hundreds of km away from it. So low flying SEAD missions are impossible if tgey want to attackk them as they would be too far. So they would need to save fuel by flying very high, they could need to throw their fuel tanks to be able to do 9G manoeuvres and refueling planes won't operate near s-400. Even if they succeed they may run out of fuel.
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India signs $5.43 billion S-400 missile deal with Russia
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This is Big Deal for S-400 for India and Russia , Total 5 Regiment Purchased by India.
This is against all pressure by US in last few months and not to sign else face CAASTA , From Matis to Senators to State Department to Janitors from State Department came to India and warned against signing this deal.
Even Indian NSA wanted to delay it but Modi took the decision and signed the deal.
S-400 deal announced quietly after Doval’s opposition, Modi’s approval
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/10/s-400-deal-announced-quietly-after.html
This is against all pressure by US in last few months and not to sign else face CAASTA , From Matis to Senators to State Department to Janitors from State Department came to India and warned against signing this deal.
Even Indian NSA wanted to delay it but Modi took the decision and signed the deal.
S-400 deal announced quietly after Doval’s opposition, Modi’s approval
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/10/s-400-deal-announced-quietly-after.html
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Any Details of Break of 1 regiment in Russia ......Would be interesting what India gets with 5 Regiment.
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Re: S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3
Mindstorm Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:38 pm
Austin wrote:Any Details of Break of 1 regiment in Russia ......Would be interesting what India gets with 5 Regiment.
Thank You
India will receive 5 regiments , therefore almost surely 10 divisions of 8 launchers and 4 transloaders each (i do not believe India will receive tri-divisions regiments) ; 16 ready launchers and 8 transloaders for each regiements and obviously all other complements of bi-divisions regiments
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Mindstorm wrote:Austin wrote:Any Details of Break of 1 regiment in Russia ......Would be interesting what India gets with 5 Regiment.
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India will receive 5 regiments , therefore almost surely 10 divisions of 8 launchers and 4 transloaders each (i do not believe India will receive tri-divisions regiments) ; 16 ready launchers and 8 transloaders for each regiements and obviously all other complements of bi-divisions regiments
so if i got that right each regiment has
16 Launchers x 8 Reload
So each launcher has 4 Missile x 16 x 8
So Each Regiment has 512 SAM with Reload and 5 Regiment will have total 2,560 SAM Missile ?
Is that correct ?
How many Radar each Regiment has ? and Command Post /EW system etc ?
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Austin wrote:Mindstorm wrote:Austin wrote:Any Details of Break of 1 regiment in Russia ......Would be interesting what India gets with 5 Regiment.
Thank You
India will receive 5 regiments , therefore almost surely 10 divisions of 8 launchers and 4 transloaders each (i do not believe India will receive tri-divisions regiments) ; 16 ready launchers and 8 transloaders for each regiements and obviously all other complements of bi-divisions regiments
so if i got that right each regiment has
16 Launchers x 8 Reload
So each launcher has 4 Missile x 16 x 8
So Each Regiment has 512 SAM with Reload and 5 Regiment will have total 2,560 SAM Missile ?
Is that correct ?
How many Radar each Regiment has ? and Command Post /EW system etc ?
I think in the thread of "s400 for india", someone posted an article saying they will buy 6000 missiles. That's why I think they pay 1 billion per system.
Number of radars depend on what they ordered. Unlike previous systems, S-400 can be connected to many radars thanks to its command post.
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Re: S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3
GunshipDemocracy Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:46 pm
Austin wrote:
Even Indian NSA wanted to delay it but Modi took the decision and signed the deal.
S-400 deal announced quietly after Doval’s opposition, Modi’s approval
Although I dont think this was personal i.e. about 10 years ban on entry visa to US for Modi it might surely bring an extra satisfaction.
Unlike Indian NSA or other opponents Modi to me is not acting as an accountant but as strategist. Strategist who is playing the Great Game. He clearly is playing on creating yet another pole in the new post-western world.
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One command post 55K6 plus one 91N6 EW radar per regiment.
One 92N6 radar per firing unit (up to sic per regiment), can control up to 12 trucks.
Plus additional radars like 96L6 or ELINT systems.
One 92N6 radar per firing unit (up to sic per regiment), can control up to 12 trucks.
Plus additional radars like 96L6 or ELINT systems.
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A fighter will receive signal from RWR and go very low in matters of seconds and hide from the radar. So engagement zone would be even less.
Would not really help... S-300 is track via missile guidance, and S-400 has its own radar in ARH...
Even Indian NSA wanted to delay it but Modi took the decision and signed the deal.
If you show weakness to a bully they will continue giving you wedgies...
Although I dont think this was personal i.e. about 10 years ban on entry visa to US for Modi it might surely bring an extra satisfaction.
Hahaha... they wouldn't even ban Putin let alone the leader of a country with 1.2 billion potential drinkers of Jack Daniels in their blue jeans, getting fat on McDonalds... plus for a long time the pro Pakistani lobby in the US has been rather powerful, but never really knowing whose side they are on regarding the Taleban and Osama and of course finding OBL in Pakistan has been a real hit to their influence.
There are a lot of Indian tech people in the US with growing power and influence... US politicians would ignore them at their peril.
Unlike Indian NSA or other opponents Modi to me is not acting as an accountant but as strategist. Strategist who is playing the Great Game. He clearly is playing on creating yet another pole in the new post-western world.
Exactly... for countries like India and China and Russia, they get a choice... they can be independent or they can do as the US tells them... unipol under US or multipole with your own sovereignty... the EU has to make the choice too... does it want to remain Americas bitch and do as Washington says, or does it want to be a big boy and pay its own bills and decide its own future...
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Re: S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3
GunshipDemocracy Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:37 am
GarryB wrote:
Even Indian NSA wanted to delay it but Modi took the decision and signed the deal.
If you show weakness to a bully they will continue giving you wedgies...
That's why Putin needs 7 countries to challenge bully && his minions . the result we've already seen in Kurosava movie
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and S-400 has its own radar in ARH... wrote:
No S-400 still use only 48N6DM missile with TVM guide.
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Austin wrote:This is Big Deal for S-400 for India and Russia , Total 5 Regiment Purchased by India.
This is against all pressure by US in last few months and not to sign else face CAASTA , From Matis to Senators to State Department to Janitors from State Department came to India and warned against signing this deal.
Even Indian NSA wanted to delay it but Modi took the decision and signed the deal.
S-400 deal announced quietly after Doval’s opposition, Modi’s approval
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/10/s-400-deal-announced-quietly-after.html
No Rgt but Bn/System with 8 TELs so 40
https://www.armyrecognition.com/october_2018_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/india_has_signed_usd5.43_billion_contract_for_five_s_400_missile_systems_from_russia.html
1 Rgt as said Mindstorm have 2 Bns also named by Russian Division in Western a Battery
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