Syrian War: News #16

d_taddei2 wrote:The Leopard 2 that was taken out recently was apparently by a fagot missile which is pretty bad news for the leopard design team that effectively means even a sagger or Spg -9 could have done the job.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201802061061410313-germany-tanks-myth/?utm_source=adfox_site_41917&utm_medium=adfox_banner_2393741&utm_campaign=adfox_campaign_626010&ues=1

That's fucking hilarious given that while growing up in the Cold War, just about every 'expert" in the West loudly proclaimed that the Leopard 2 was immine to Soviet ATGMs....

So of course I accept the conventional wisdom that US stealth aircraft can't be seen by Russaan radars.... or that CBG layered AEGIS defenses are impervious to AShMs.... or that lasers and rail guns will render Russian aircraft and misisles obselete...

So much HATOstani fuktardishness to enjoy....

If antiship missiles we're useless, they would stop bitching about their placements long ago.

Salvo strike of anything would render majority of defenses useless.

That's fucking hilarious given that while growing up in the Cold War, just about every 'expert" in the West loudly proclaimed that the Leopard 2 was immine to Soviet ATGMs....  
So of course I accept the conventional wisdom that US stealth aircraft can't be seen by Russaan radars....  or that CBG layered AEGIS defenses are impervious to AShMs....   or that lasers and rail guns will render Russian aircraft and misisles obselete...
So much HATOstani fuktardishness to enjoy.... [/quote]

No country sells their latest and greatest to another country. Turkey did not get the best, they got what Germany would sell. Germany also sold some to Greece, possibly in the hopes that we'd see Leo against Leo.

IS teleported to Idlib.



before

These are the remains of the ISIS pocket after very big advances (including Abu Ajwah) by the Syrian Arab Army
this is gone now


The Islamic State passed through government-held areas and captured Umm al-Khalakhil, Mushayrifah and Luwaybidah from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham

Big_Gazza wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:The Leopard 2 that was taken out recently was apparently by a fagot missile which is pretty bad news for the leopard design team that effectively means even a sagger or Spg -9 could have done the job.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201802061061410313-germany-tanks-myth/?utm_source=adfox_site_41917&utm_medium=adfox_banner_2393741&utm_campaign=adfox_campaign_626010&ues=1

That's fucking hilarious given that while growing up in the Cold War, just about every 'expert" in the West loudly proclaimed that the Leopard 2 was immine to Soviet ATGMs....  

So of course I accept the conventional wisdom that US stealth aircraft can't be seen by Russaan radars....  or that CBG layered AEGIS defenses are impervious to AShMs....   or that lasers and rail guns will render Russian aircraft and misisles obselete...

So much HATOstani fuktardishness to enjoy....

They said that for their domestic public ... None of the true military experts would believe such thing.

A hollow charge made with basic explosive is already very powerfull. If you use then something made by soviet industries, it will easily destroy a modern tank. Same with anti ship missiles, if it can simply fly 15m above waters and have a radar it will be Dangerous. Add the work of russian engineers and use it in big numbers and it will be very dangerous.

US stupid people think only USA have scientists, engineers ...The fact is that every military chemical engineer in the world knows how explosives works. They don't need the last of the last top secrect US billion dollar reasearch program to make a missile to destroy a leopard tank.

Even Serbia with its poor economy has new tandem Malyutka that could blow up it. More modern countries are designing and testing cruise missiles like Pakistan or China or India.

All tanks can be destroyed. There's nothing invincible in any military in the world. I would care more about quality of crew and support, not exact model of the tank.
Turkish military would be step higher than SAA, but not more due to recent coup. Their airforce and their cannon fodder islamists are doing all the dirty work for them in Syria anyway.

auslander wrote:

That's fucking hilarious given that while growing up in the Cold War, just about every 'expert" in the West loudly proclaimed that the Leopard 2 was immine to Soviet ATGMs....  
So of course I accept the conventional wisdom that US stealth aircraft can't be seen by Russaan radars....  or that CBG layered AEGIS defenses are impervious to AShMs....   or that lasers and rail guns will render Russian aircraft and misisles obselete...
So much HATOstani fuktardishness to enjoy....

No country sells their latest and greatest to another country. Turkey did not get the best, they got what Germany would sell. Germany also sold some to Greece, possibly in the hopes that we'd see Leo against Leo.

You miss my point.  Its 2017 and I don't think the Turkish Leopard 2 are going to be down-grades of NATO equipment from the 80s.  A cold-war era ATGM designed in the 70s killed a cold-war uber MBT that was supposed to be well-nigh indestructible...  A nice indicator of the real value of HATOstani propaganda.

NOW MATTIS ADMITS THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE ASSAD USED POISON GAS ON HIS PEOPLE

http://www.newsweek.com/now-mattis-admits-there-was-no-evidence-assad-using-poison-gas-his-people-801542

Lost in the hyper-politicized hullabaloo surrounding the Nunes Memorandum and the Steele Dossier was the striking statement by Secretary of Defense James Mattis that the U.S. has “no evidence” that the Syrian government used the banned nerve agent Sarin against its own people.

This assertion flies in the face of the White House (NSC) Memorandum which was rapidly produced and declassified to justify an American Tomahawk missile strike against the Shayrat airbase in Syria.


As expected, such a revelation (gaff?) will have no effect on the uh'Murican presstitute echo-chamber.... for a long time, facts ceased to be important to these fuckers.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Afrin airspace is open for TurAF again...

and why should be not? This was agreed between both presidents ahead.  The main goal is to keep US at bay. Otherwise Turkey has national security level problems with Kurdish state constantly armed with US weapons not to mention next possible coup attempts form Gullen and Co.





I just wonder how close to truth it is?
Russia sent large forces of special forces to Syria

https://topwar.ru/135594-rossiya-perebrosila-v-siriyu-krupnye-sily-specnaza.html

[quote]
After the incident with the Russian Su-25 attack aircraft, the military command of the Russian Federation significantly increased the special forces in the country.
At the moment, they take an active part in the battles in the provinces of Idlib and Aleppo. The number of Russian military advisers also increased. Sources familiar with the situation attribute this to the preparation of a large-scale offensive on the provincial capital of Idlib.[/quote]

You miss my point.  Its 2017 and I don't think the Turkish Leopard 2 are going to be down-grades of NATO equipment from the 80s.  A cold-war era ATGM designed in the 70s killed a cold-war uber MBT that was supposed to be well-nigh indestructible...  A nice indicator of the real value of HATOstani propaganda.[/quote]

I did not miss your point, I simply pointed out that the Turks did not get the latest and greatest. When I was trained quite some moons ago, we trained to knock out everything including our own and anyone who was with us.

There is no omnipotent queen of the battlefield although a few have come close. No Tiger B or Jagdtiger was penetrated from the front of the hull or front of the turret/fighting compartment in combat. The propaganda was US never lost an Abrams during the actual 'war' with Irak. Leo 1 and 2 were 'the result of decades of experience and development' etc etc etc. Lies, several Abrams were lost and I think 1 Leo was lost.

The fact of the matter is US and Germany do not sell their top of the line AFV's to foreign countries. You don't have to totally destroy a tank, at minimum you have to damage him to the point he needs depot level, not werkzug level, repairs or at the very least disable him to the point he can't move or fight. Go for the drive or idler sprockets or road wheels, go for his optics, etc etc. This is 'Kill Tank 101' level education, which many of the takfiri don't have.

Israeli F-16 fighter jet shot down amid Syrian anti-air fire, pilots safe - IDF

https://twitter.com/LTCJonathan/status/962191487806201856

Multiple Israeli Planes/drones intercepted by Syrian airdefenses.. according to Syrian
General staff. The myth of Israel Invulnerability is over.. Now not only Israel but also Americans
and Turkey airforces will be more cautious in any aggression to Syria military.  If Israelis lose another
plane and pilot captured ,that will be truly humiliating.  So the arrogant Israelis will now feel
the fear of their airforce no longer being invulnerable in the middle east.  So good job for Syria.  

And this was Syria airdefenses of the soviet era.. Probably S-75 missiles or S-200s..
Russia have not used yet their big guns , like s-300 or s-400. SO it was  a matter of time..
this will be a message for the Pentagon that they could be next..

Knowing how the Israelis think.. they will seek revenge. expect a cry baby desperate attack on Syria..
perhaps using long range artillery as they have been doing lately from Golan heights.  But the damage
is already done. Israel attacks on Syria on a regular basis ,could not have been a better
training for Syria and IRAN ,how to shot down Israel airforce. So it was a matter of time.

Update..

It looks Israel is already seeking a revenge.. New Raid of Israeli Airforce in Syria
happening.. So a new round of fighting continues..

Syrian air defenses respond to new Israeli raids near Damascus – state TV

https://www.rt.com/news/418391-syria-israel-raids-damascus/

Israeli F-16 fighter jet shot down over Syrian by air defense ساقط شدن جنگنده اِف-۱۶ اسرائیل سوریه

I think this was a attempt by Israel to escalate things, the Jews normally use Lebanon or the stolen Golan Heights to launch attacks, why did they go directly over Syria?

There was a second attack after that.

yavar wrote:Israeli F-16 fighter jet shot down over Syrian by air defense

After hundreds of Israeli raids over Syria, it's about time they scored a kill. To my knowledge, this is the first Israeli jet downed in combat since 1983!

It is obvious that the last US and Israeli attacks are coordinate with the opperations in Idlib and Afrin. They always do. When Syria launchs some offensive they escalate other fronts. It happened at the time Syria was near Taqba and Raqqa. It happened when Syria regained Palmyra, and also happened when Syria regained Deir Ez Zor. Likely more times.

After the air attack opperations of Turkey, that I do not think are allowed, the US tried also, and Israel would not be less and tried too. Finally Israel get the answer.

The warning is in my opinion for the three invaders.

Russia and Syria have some high level air defenses, but also have an important density of lower level systems with lower accuracy, but effective in high density.

The Israeli retaliation also failing.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-air-defense-intercepts-israeli-missile-southwest-damascus-video/

Syrian Air Defense intercepts Israeli missile in southwest Damascus (video)

By Leith Aboufadel - 10/02/20180

An attempt to conduct yet another airstrike against targets in Syria ended badly for the Israeli military, as several of its missiles were reportedly shot down by local air defense units.

Syrian anti-aircraft defense units managed to hit a number of Israeli missiles that were flying above a military installation in Syria, Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) reports.

Earlier, the IDF’s press service claimed that its military aircraft had intercepted an Iranian UAV that allegedly entered Israeli airspace, and carried out a strike against “Iranian targets” on Syrian soil in retaliation.

One of the warplanes which took part in this air raid ended up crashing in Israel’s north; its loss was confirmed by the IDF.

The previous analysis are getting confirmed. You have been reading all this here before:

- The Russian Armed Forces are the alone foreign forces which presence is allowed and welcomed by Syria.
- Value of the Joint air defense of Russia and Syria to enforce the No-fly zone for adversary foreign powers.
- The war will be long.
- The enemies of Syria are the same than in 2011.
- Turkey serves its own interest against the interests of Syria and Russia.
- No war with the Kurds.
- The Kurds defend strongly the own territory. It is about to survive.
- The Kurds have not interest in territory of others or in the oil.

eehnie wrote:It is obvious that the last US and Israeli attacks are coordinate with the opperations in Idlib and Afrin. They always do. When Syria launchs some offensive they escalate other fronts. It happened at the time Syria was near Taqba and Raqqa. It happened when Syria regained Palmyra, and also happened when Syria regained Deir Ez Zor. Likely more times.

After the air attack opperations of Turkey, that I do not think are allowed, the US tried also, and Israel would not be less and tried too. Finally Israel get the answer.

The warning is in my opinion for the three invaders.

Russia and Syria have some high level air defenses, but also have an important density of lower level systems with lower accuracy, but effective in high density.

You are not tired from talking shit. What a dumb are you when Turkey is under all type of pressure by US/Israel for stopping Afrin op. Afrin op. is against SDF/YPG, which attacks SAA in DeZ. And YOU claim that US/Turkey coordination exists. What the HELL?

Woke up just now, made coffee and flipped on RT.

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"Israeli airplane shot down" - This is VERY new...

Syria was not caught with over confidance about Turkey, and reppelled an attack from Turkish territory. Syria and Russia know well which is the real frontline.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-militant-deep-infiltration-assault-near-key-town-north-latakia-stopped-dead-tracks-syrian-army/

Breaking: Militant deep-infiltration assault near key town in north Latakia stopped dead in its tracks by Syrian Army

By Andrew Illingworth - 10/02/20180

BEIRUT, LEBANON (3:11 P.M.) – An infiltration assault by militant fighters deep behind government-lines near a key town in northern Latakia province has been stopped dead in its tracks by the Syrian Arab Army with reports that the rebel raiding party was completely wiped out.

On Saturday, Syrian militants from a yet unidentified faction (mostly likely Al-Qaeda affiliate group Ha’yat Tahrir al-Sham) carried out a raid deep behind government lines in the mountainous northern countryside of Latakia province.

Whilst the exact objective of the militant infiltration attack remains unclear, rebel fighters had reached as far as Tal Haddada near the strategic town of Kinsabba by the time the Syrian Army identified the raiding party and sprung it.

Reports are saying that the entire militant force was annihilated by the Syrian Army during the ensuing engagement.

As mentioned earlier, it is unknown which rebel faction carried out the attack, however, such an assault is highly characteristic of the Al-Qaeda affiliate group Ha’yat Tahrir al-Sham (formerly called Jabhat al-Nusra).

PapaDragon wrote:
Woke up just now, made coffee and flipped on RT.

Red Breaking News banner with​ latest:

"Israel bombed Syria" - This is not new....

"Turkish helicopter shot down" - This is new...

"Israeli airplane shot down" - This is VERY new...

Rough footage of the Turkish ATAK helicopter going down. Unclear if it was shot down or mechanical failure. Both pilots died (https://twitter.com/SonKaleTurkiye2/status/962308017571147776)

PapaDragon wrote:
Woke up just now, made coffee and flipped on RT.

Red Breaking News banner with​ latest:

"Israel bombed Syria" - This is not new....

"Turkish helicopter shot down" - This is new...

"Israeli airplane shot down" - This is VERY new...

I would say the newest part is that Israel had not a chance of denial this time, and recognized it,

PapaDragon wrote:
"Israeli airplane shot down" - This is VERY new...

For millennials yes. I can remember a bunch going down in '73 but that's ancient history.