Syrian War: News #17

BKP wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
vanessa beeley‏ @VanessaBeeley

Syriana Analysis explains the battle for East Ghouta, shedding light on the history of the war in the area and the imminent battle that is coming in the upcoming days.[/i]

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/965137880912887808

That was a good, short overview of the past and developing situation in Ghouta.

Watching that video led me to finding this interview from about a year ago by 21st Cent. Wire with alleged western ex-sf soldier "Patrice." So, as it's told, Patrice was in Aleppo in 2011 to pursue a business opportunity when the Syrian festivities kicked off in earnest. He attempted two dashes for the Turkish border and was nearly killed each time. So he ended up stuck and under siege back in Aleppo. He had no choice but join and fight with local, loyalist forces against the rogues gallery we're all familiar with, al-Nusra, al-Zinki, etc.

His account is very detailed, enough so to enhance credibility, imo. He comes across as an emotionally controlled person, but there is still a gravitas in his retelling, particularly in what he says at the end. This also lends credibility to the story. But, idk, this is a year old, perhaps it has since been discredited. Frankly I hope not because I found his observations and the perspective he formed from this experience to be very interesting.

Anyhow, if you were to listen at least a bit of it, could you try to place his accent? I really can't. It sounds like it could be a combination of things.

https://soundcloud.com/21wire/interview-patrice-on-aleppos-front-line

The classic story of Tourist Businessman that was caught in the middle of a warzone.. LOL
For sure he was doing very good business indeed ,selling TOW missiles to Alqaeda to fight Syrian army.

What a load of crap.. give me a break.. The real war did not began in Aleppo.. but in homs.. major civil
armed and unarmed unrest across all Syria began in March 2011..but it was very low violence ,not armies invasion
until that time.. by second half of 2011 ,a major city in Homs was captured.. for first time.. and CNN was "accidentaly TRapped" there.. how they did so many reports accusing Assad of warcrimes.. 24 hours and selling a story how "civilians" took weapons to "defend themselves".. but there was French special forces in Syria as early as 2011. that Putin had to negotiate its release in secret when  Syria captured the town in change for no more interference of france in Syria. This caused the secret visit of the ambassador of France to syria ,months after they closes their embassy.. Interesting eh ? and CNN was providing not only propaganda ,but used as a shield (So syrian army can't bomb the main logistic hubg of communications and satellite )to the terrorist command center in Homs. And then Aleppo capture was the second wave of attacks on Syria. that happened second half of 2012.  not 2011..

So he is lying big time.. he could not be "Trapped in Syria" in Aleppo in 2011 ,because that city was not
under siege at that time.. So if he joined the terrorist /peaceful head choppers in 2011 because aleppo.
then he did it completely voluntary on its own..  because he wanted.

in march 2011..- Syria protest began..
Second half of 2011 - a major city in homs was captured and recaptured by Syria army.
second half of 2012 half of Aleppo main city falls.. after two waves of thousands of terrorist , one from Jordan border
and another from Turkey invades Syria. the one that came from Jordan was used as distraction.. to attack damascus.
the one that came from Turkey attacked Aleppo.
in 2013 -2015  northen Syria (non kurdish zones) falls, like Raqqa and Idlib.
To thousands of terrorist crossing the border from tTurkey thanks to Erdogan "help" to "liberate" Syria.
and then Idlib invasion was the event that made Russia to interfere. to help Assad , reverse
Turkey /NATO criminal aggression to syria and aid of terrorism.

There is a french Journalist who was physically present in syria ,since the 2011 uprising began.and he was
able to witness/participate in the negotiations of Russia and France for the release of their special forces ,hundreds of them captured in Homs ,that were aiding terrorist to hold the city. and were kicked from there after Syrian army
re-capture the city. So since 2011 ,the Syrian conflict was a NATO invasion ,NATO-Turkey aggression.
and this have not changed today.. Turkey ,NATO nuclear powers and israel ,Jordan have been at war with Syria
dismembering it.. what is different now 7 years later. is that ,, Russia had to use force and diplomacy to force erdogan and NATO to negotiate the right of the existence of Syria and the reduction of their initial goals of total destruction of Syria state. So Russia saved Syria from total disintegration.. by Alqaeda and ISIS allied with NATO forces.
and managed with the use of diplomacy ,sanctions of turkey and force of its airforce to make them negotiate for
a bit less genocide and criminal aggression and be happy to just fight for partial partition of Syria instead.

Vann7 wrote:

BKP wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
vanessa beeley‏ @VanessaBeeley

Syriana Analysis explains the battle for East Ghouta, shedding light on the history of the war in the area and the imminent battle that is coming in the upcoming days.[/i]

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/965137880912887808

That was a good, short overview of the past and developing situation in Ghouta.

Watching that video led me to finding this interview from about a year ago by 21st Cent. Wire with alleged western ex-sf soldier "Patrice." So, as it's told, Patrice was in Aleppo in 2011 to pursue a business opportunity when the Syrian festivities kicked off in earnest. He attempted two dashes for the Turkish border and was nearly killed each time. So he ended up stuck and under siege back in Aleppo. He had no choice but join and fight with local, loyalist forces against the rogues gallery we're all familiar with, al-Nusra, al-Zinki, etc.

His account is very detailed, enough so to enhance credibility, imo. He comes across as an emotionally controlled person, but there is still a gravitas in his retelling, particularly in what he says at the end. This also lends credibility to the story. But, idk, this is a year old, perhaps it has since been discredited. Frankly I hope not because I found his observations and the perspective he formed from this experience to be very interesting.

Anyhow, if you were to listen at least a bit of it, could you try to place his accent? I really can't. It sounds like it could be a combination of things.

https://soundcloud.com/21wire/interview-patrice-on-aleppos-front-line

The classic story of Tourist Businessman that was caught in the middle of a warzone.. LOL
For sure he was doing very good business indeed ,selling TOW missiles to Alqaeda to fight Syrian army.

What a load of crap.. give me a break.. The real war did not began in Aleppo.. but in homs.. major civil
armed and unarmed unrest across all Syria began in March 2011..but it was very low violence ,not armies invasion
until that time.. by second half of 2011 ,a major city in Homs was captured.. for first time.. and CNN was "accidentaly TRapped" there.. how they did so many reports accusing Assad of warcrimes.. 24 hours and selling a story how "civilians" took weapons to "defend themselves".. but there was French special forces in Syria as early as 2011. that Putin had to negotiate its release in secret when  Syria captured the town in change for no more interference of france in Syria. This caused the secret visit of the ambassador of France to syria ,months after they closes their embassy.. Interesting eh ? and CNN was providing not only propaganda ,but used as a shield (So syrian army can't bomb the main logistic hubg of communications and satellite )to the terrorist command center in Homs. And then Aleppo capture was the second wave of attacks on Syria. that happened second half of 2012.  not 2011..

So he is lying big time.. he could not be "Trapped in Syria" in Aleppo in 2011 ,because that city was not
under siege at that time.. So if he joined the terrorist /peaceful head choppers in 2011 because aleppo.
then he did it completely voluntary on its own..  because he wanted.

in march 2011..- Syria protest began..
Second half of 2011 - a major city in homs was captured and recaptured by Syria army.
second half of 2012 half of Aleppo main city falls.. after two waves of thousands of terrorist , one from Jordan border
and another from Turkey invades Syria. the one that came from Jordan was used as distraction.. to attack damascus.
the one that came from Turkey attacked Aleppo.
in 2013 -2015  northen Syria (non kurdish zones) falls, like Raqqa and Idlib.
To thousands of terrorist crossing the border from tTurkey thanks to Erdogan "help" to "liberate" Syria.
and then Idlib invasion was the event that made Russia to interfere. to help Assad , reverse
Turkey /NATO criminal aggression to syria and aid of terrorism.

There is a french Journalist who was physically present in syria ,since the 2011 uprising began.and he was
able to witness/participate in the negotiations of Russia and France for the release of their special forces ,hundreds of them captured in Homs ,that were aiding terrorist to hold the city. and were kicked from there after Syrian army
re-capture the city. So since 2011 ,the Syrian conflict was a NATO invasion ,NATO-Turkey aggression.
and this have not changed today.. Turkey ,NATO nuclear powers and israel ,Jordan have been at war with Syria
dismembering it.. what is different now 7 years later. is that ,, Russia had to use force and diplomacy to force erdogan and NATO to negotiate the right of the existence of Syria and the reduction of their initial goals of total destruction of Syria state. So Russia saved Syria from total disintegration.. by Alqaeda and ISIS allied with  NATO forces.
and managed with the use of diplomacy ,sanctions of turkey and force of its airforce to make them negotiate for
a bit less genocide and criminal aggression and be happy to just fight for partial partition of Syria instead.

It did cross my mind that the timing of the "getting trapped" part was questionable. But, as you see it, he was really there to sell TOWs to AQ, etc? Well, if that were true, why bother coming out now to tell a version of the story sympathetic to the side of the Syrian Government? No, if your take was correct, he wouldn't be saying anything, or he'd be peddling horseshit tailored for the MSM and making $ instead of speaking on some super-obscure outlet with a highly un-useful and unsalable tale. Yes, maybe it's BS, but I don't think your take is credible either. A little more basic logic please.

No, if it's BS, then it's BS lock, stock and barrel, and his motivation was to just yank some people's chain.

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

At this point in time I am surprised they offered them even this much, this is a bargain for Kurds, it can always get lot worse

Bit more

Even if they don't agree now they will definitely later, just let TSK give them couple of more weeks of shishkebab processing.

Ego and reality denial on this lot is outstanding.

If they are concerned about personal firearms they are worrying over nothing, once they enlist in SAA they will get the guns and some much heavier stuff as well.

For the kurds in Afrin they have two choices.

Be under Turkish control or be under Syrian control, there is no alternative for them.

While Assad doesn't like them very much, At least he won't be nearly as bad as them has Erod would be.

BKP wrote:
It did cross my mind that the timing of the "getting trapped" part was questionable. But, as you see it, he was really there to sell TOWs to AQ, etc? Well, if that were true, why bother coming out now to tell a version of the story sympathetic to the side of the Syrian Government? No, if your take was correct, he wouldn't be saying anything, or he'd be peddling horseshit tailored for the MSM and making $ instead of speaking on some super-obscure outlet with a highly un-useful and unsalable tale. Yes, maybe it's BS, but I don't think your take is credible either. A little more basic logic please.

No, if it's BS, then it's BS lock, stock and barrel, and his motivation was to just yank some people's chain.

If he was Pro Assad on his story ... then perhaps he mixed the dates big time.. because Aleppo central city ,half of it ,did not fall until operation [Volcano Damascus] in 2012... an operation than began in Summer 2012.  and international journalist were allowed to enter in Syria ,there was no ban for that.. in other words.. in the first year of the conflict in2011 , the city of aleppo was not news anywhere.. Aleppo was largely pro assad. But civilians there were not armed
and had no way to defend against thousands of Alqaeda /Turko fighters invading Syria and taking control of aleppo
by killing civilians.

in a related news...
Playing devils advocate for the Incompetent Putin...
for his lack of action when Americans attack Syrian army ..
If i was to give the benefit of the doubt to Putin , then it could be that
The anti Trump forces in Pentagon ,are trying to provoke the shot down of an American plane
in Syria , in order to tie the hands of Trump..of foreign policy with Russia.

because he can't defend Russia if american pilots killed by Russia air defenses..
So this will put Trump on the Liberals and warmonger hands. and end any possibility for Trump
promises of getting along with Russia and focus in jobs and not in wars.

So for Russia might be a good thing or less bad ,that Trump maintain and hold power , because it weakens the
real haters of Russia in washington DC.. it divide the government.  Now a criminal investigation is being demanded by public Opinion on Congress pro Hillary democrats and fake Republicans over OBAMA/and his cabinet participation
in trying to sabotage Trump campaign using the FBI and many federal government agencies. which is a major
criminal violation of US laws and attempt to rig the election.. This is evidence of A President using his powers
to help his favorite candidate win the election and sabotage the legitimate participation of the competition.

Trump discredit of CNN and New York Times and Washington Post ,the most popular Jewish Liberal media
cannot be underestimated enough.. This is HUGE . This seriously will limit the American elite ,to sell and brainwash american citizens in the future. A corrupt Empire with a media its citizens don't trust ,is doomed to fail..
And Trump completely different style and respect of Putin ,at least with words.. shows that perhaps he is powerless
President to change US deep state policy over Syria .

So maybe Putin is only trying the best he can.. to not help the Liberals in removing Trump from power.. as long
Trump stay in power and fights his media and his own congress , and intelligence agencies fake reports , then any united front to save the empire and counter effectively Russia by tightening the control of Europe and puppet allies against Russia will not be possible... So for Putin.. it might be a good thing to try to help Trump stay in power ,and avoid any provocation by the US Military in Syria. This however will have major consequences for Putin image if
soldiers are killed without any retaliation.

historically speaking.. American soldiers have been sacrificed in the past .. to damage
the image of Presidents. when the congress wants to kick from power anyone.. they did it with Nixon (who promoted a policy of peace with China) opposing the US congress.. and did it with Jimmy Carter ,who promoted major reforms to the CIA. So there is a possibility ,that there are several factions in the American government giving orders in Syria..
and disobeying the president orders in public to fight ISIS.. The CIA vs Pentagon vs Trump . Obama in public also
said the right things.. but Trump looks to be very different than Obama and Clinton that enjoyed insulting in public
Russia.

Photos i posted are not from Ghouta, they are from Latakia.

here is video

BKP wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
vanessa beeley‏ @VanessaBeeley

Syriana Analysis explains the battle for East Ghouta, shedding light on the history of the war in the area and the imminent battle that is coming in the upcoming days.[/i]

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/965137880912887808

That was a good, short overview of the past and developing situation in Ghouta.

Watching that video led me to finding this interview from about a year ago by 21st Cent. Wire with alleged western ex-sf soldier "Patrice." So, as it's told, Patrice was in Aleppo in 2011 to pursue a business opportunity when the Syrian festivities kicked off in earnest. He attempted two dashes for the Turkish border and was nearly killed each time. So he ended up stuck and under siege back in Aleppo. He had no choice but join and fight with local, loyalist forces against the rogues gallery we're all familiar with, al-Nusra, al-Zinki, etc.

His account is very detailed, enough so to enhance credibility, imo. He comes across as an emotionally controlled person, but there is still a gravitas in his retelling, particularly in what he says at the end. This also lends credibility to the story. But, idk, this is a year old, perhaps it has since been discredited. Frankly I hope not because I found his observations and the perspective he formed from this experience to be very interesting.

Anyhow, if you were to listen at least a bit of it, could you try to place his accent? I really can't. It sounds like it could be a combination of things.

https://soundcloud.com/21wire/interview-patrice-on-aleppos-front-line

That video talks about terrorist s having tunnels, does Russia have anything like the bunker busting bombs? Would the bunker busting bombs work against tunnels?

calm wrote:Photos i posted are not from Ghouta, they are from Latakia.

here is video

This I great to see, the Syrian s are ready to defend their home.

Some details:

1.- The ISIS pocket that many map drawers still paint to the West of the Euphrates seems to be a fake pocket. The same can be said about the pocket painted still in Iraq. I expect to see soon pictures of Syrian soldiers or militias geo-located in the area painted, without a fight. The same in Iraq.

2.- It is to be expected that Syria continues fighting the pockets until finished.

3.- Very likely the US and their allies have specific paramilitary groups in all the fronts and pockets working to hunt and destroy units of the most modern Syrian material, and high rank officers. It is to be expected that Syria uses in the remaining pockets a strategy for minimum loses, including the use of its less modern, less powerful and less capable equipment, taking into account that this is an attrition war.

4.- It is obvious that the US is accumulationg their paramilitary groups to the East of the Euphrates around Deir Ez Zor.

5.- The US is salivating with a formal Turkey-Syria war.

6.- The frontline in the North is not limited to the fronts of Idlib, Afrin and Al Bab. War in the entire Turk-Kurd frontline is likely.

7.- It is obvious that the Kurds of Afrin are receiving external military help.

ISIS is present in pocket, just couple days ago we saw some Albanians there, singing. Also they are frequently attacking SAA villages on Euphrates from that pocket.

calm wrote:ISIS is present in pocket, just couple days ago we saw some Albanians there, singing. Also they are frequently attacking SAA villages on Euphrates from that pocket.

Sure were not from the East side of the river?

par far wrote:
That video talks about terrorist s having tunnels, does Russia have anything like the bunker busting bombs? Would the bunker busting bombs work against tunnels?

Russia for sure has bunker busting munitions. Any of the gear nerds here could cite specifics off the top of their heads. Are they what's needed in the case of Ghouta? Idk, depends, I guess. For a lot of tunnels I'd think thermobarics would be useful.

[quote="BKP"]

par far wrote:..............

Russia for sure has bunker busting munitions. Any of the gear nerds here could cite specifics off the top of their heads. Are they what's needed in the case of Ghouta? Idk, depends, I guess. For a lot of tunnels I'd think thermobarics would be useful.

TOS-1 are already on site

Today in Afrin

So called "Expert" political analyst in Syria gets everything wrong.. only posting this.. for pure entertainment .
Here is the title.. of the report..

PROFESSOR IVO HRISTOV: TURKEY IS DOING THE DIRTY WORK OF RUSSIA IN AFRIN (INTERVIEW PART 2)


https://southfront.org/professor-ivo-hristov-turkey-is-doing-the-dirty-work-of-russia-in-afrin-interview-part-2/


So this is why people you can't just take blindly any report about Syria by
Any "Expert".  According to him ...

Russia is "using Turkey" to defeat the kurds..  
-reality check Turkey backed terrorist in IDLIB  attack Russia military base and airforce.

Turkey after the operation of afrin will handle the territory to the Syrian army..  
-reality check.. Turkey is threatening Syria destroying their army if enter in AFrin.
and Tiger forces are not in afrin ,but in damascus fighting in eastern goutta.


What is more amazing is that South Front , published the article...
which is a descent military news place..

I have seen as bad reports as this crap.. in Saker too..
the guy at times makes reports as absurd as this.. he basically
have no clue of what drives the conflict in Syria..

Moral of the story ,you can't never take blindly as true any report , not even from
very fine websites like South Front. Saker at times release good reports but is not frequent..
he makes too many mistakes..

Vann7 wrote:......
Russia is "using Turkey" to defeat the kurds..  
-reality check Turkey backed terrorist in IDLIB  attack Russia military base and airforce.

Turkey after the operation of afrin will handle the territory to the Syrian army..  
-reality check.. Turkey is threatening Syria destroying their army if enter in AFrin.
and Tiger forces are not in afrin ,but in damascus fighting in eastern goutta.
.....

You do realize that this is precisely what Russia is doing?

Kurds refused to negotiate reintegration into Syria so Russians pulled out and let Turks dickslap Kurds into flexibility.

They are already screaming "uncle" only not loud enough so dickslaping continues until they agree to all those terms that John posted while back.

Once they are brought to heel VKS will tell Turks to pack up, SAA will roll in Afrin and preparation for clearing out Idlib will commence.

Turks get Kurds under leash of Damascus, Syria gets Afrin region back and Russia gets to focus on finishing off last jihadists that are still left in the Eastern half before parking their asses in Latakia for next 50-75 years.

Win for everyone.

Interesting negotiating move if true


ali ornek
‏ @ornekali
38m38 minutes ago

Acc. to Mohammed Ballout, during #Afrin negotiations, #YPG offers to hand over #Tabqa to Syrian Army. YPG sources say, Russia prevented to finalize the agreement with #Assad, asking YPG to reconsider its position in the east of Euphrates River.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43125506

Russian ministry (they don't say which) says dozens of non regular force Russians killed. True or false?

mnztr wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43125506

Russian ministry (they don't say which) says dozens of non regular force Russians killed. True or false?

Anything that BigBlackCock news reports about Russia and/or Syria is automatically suspect. They have zero cred.

mnztr wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43125506

Russian ministry (they don't say which) says dozens of non regular force Russians killed. True or false?

If Russian ministry is confirming that they were killed it then it's probably true. Why would they lie about non-regulars getting killed? It's not like they just said that nobody got killed.

Big_Gazza wrote:Anything that BigBlackCock news reports about Russia and/or Syria is automatically suspect. They have zero cred.

it's confirmed:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802201061832536-russian-citizens-killed-syria/

And here is another group of clowns who decided to go solo and thus forfeit air cover by VKS

Expected and unsurprising outcome coming any minute now...


YPG contact: "The forces entering Afrin are local government militias, many from Nubl and Zahraa. We will fight together for the people of Afrin and the unity of Syria against the Turkish invasion."

https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/965947447137665025

PapaDragon wrote:
And here is another group of clowns who decided to go solo and thus forfeit air cover by VKS

Expected and unsurprising outcome coming any minute now...


YPG contact: "The forces entering Afrin are local government militias, many from Nubl and Zahraa. We will fight together for the people of Afrin and the unity of Syria against the Turkish invasion."

https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/965947447137665025

Eh it's unclear if this is true, I don't even know.

The kurds could just be saying this in a public sense when encase reality is different, it's normal people say one thing upfront but another behind the scenes

eehnie wrote:

calm wrote:ISIS is present in pocket, just couple days ago we saw some Albanians there, singing. Also they are frequently attacking SAA villages on Euphrates from that pocket.

Sure were not from the East side of the river?

West and east. But there is something like 200/500 of them in west side. SAA is ignoring them for now in that desert, but time will come.