Syrian War: News #18

KiloGolf wrote:

kvs wrote:Maybe the Israeli lunatics who openly supported the Daesh goons in the region should bugger on off from the Golan Heights.

Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked first and declared war to Israel, then started shelling and air bombing the small country, when Israel was already busy with Egypt. And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

lycantrop wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

kvs wrote:Maybe the Israeli lunatics who openly supported the Daesh goons in the region should bugger on off from the Golan Heights.

Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked first and declared war to Israel, then started shelling and air bombing the small country, when Israel was already busy with Egypt. And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

you must have currently sleepless nights my friend, eh?, now as your friends get its a.. kicked in south Syria. Idlib is next..

Big_Gazza wrote:"attack one, attack all" is fine and dandy when its NATO, but disallowed when its Arab nations with a mutual defense pact?

Big_Gazza wrote:Utter bunkum....  I smell hasbarat desperation, as the roaches always panic and scatter when the lights get turned on....  No parallel because why?  because YOU say so?  pffttt...

KiloGolf wrote:And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

KiloGolf wrote: Sadat did not coordinate with Assad and never pushed further in the Sinai, so as to relieve pressure from the Golan.

Israel massacred SAA and parked its tanks deep in Syrian territory.

starman wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

In 1973, Syria did not "invade Israel" it only sought to recover its own territory--the Golan--taken from it in '67. And no informed observer considered the Syrian attack an "existential threat" to Israel, which always had an edge militarily.

starman wrote:The Egyptians coordinated with Syria before the war and both nations attacked simultaneously. And Sadat did attempt to push further into the Sinai, on a number of occasions even prior to October 14. The October 14 attack was intended to relieve pressure on Syria, and was carried out for this purpose despite serious objections from the Egyptian generals.

JohninMK wrote:Another interesting analysis from Magnier. Includes this gem

President Bashar al-Assad didn’t limit his provocation to ask from Hezbollah to increase its military formation in the south of Syria, but he gave it a substantial gift: two full containers carrying US 60,000$/each TOW’s anti-tank guided missiles, Milan French anti-tank guided missile, and other “spoils of war” collected in the south of Syria battle as a token of gratitude to his allies who had shared the same fate during the long years of the war. The west and the Gulf countries supplied significant quantities of weapons to jihadists and rebels throughout the years of the war. These have changed hands from al-Qaeda, to ISIS, and now to Hezbollah.

https://ejmagnier.com/2018/07/16/putin-netanyahu-meeting-in-moscow-your-concern-about-irans-presence-in-syria-must-be-postponed-until-terrorism-is-defeated-and-syria-is-liberated/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Big_Gazza wrote:Agreed.  Moving against Golan would be gold-plated foolishness.  Syria needs a decade to re-cover, re-arm, re-build.  Hezbollah needs to be further strengthened, both militarily and politically, especially their short-range missile inventory.  Lebanon also needs a capable AD system capable of defeating Ziostani interdictions.  There can be no peace with the Zio until Golan is freed and the Palestinians receive a just and fair settlement.

Nibiru wrote:Im not sure how to start with this post, but this war between the Israelis and the  Arabs are more than just territorial disputes, religious ideologies are also mainly at play here, i really hope that a lot of you people are aware of this ongoing plot by various Islamic groups and organizations to Islamize non-islamic countries? They are doing this little by little, if you live in the west with a very small muslim community, then you probably wouldn't notice this, but slowly they are building up communities and strengthening their political base to continously demand changes in certain laws that would be compliant with their Sharia. 

Now, look at Bethlehem  , many years ago, there is a larger Christian presence in the area, but because of the relentless Birth Jihad, along with the usual Islamic intimidation, Christians have dwindled in numbers and continue to do so up to this day while the number of muslims have grown very rapidly. This is just an example, this very same Islamization strategy is being carried out in many other places, Western Europe, South and Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Africa, etc. 

As a non-muslim who is not Ignorant of the ongoing Islamic takeover of the non-muslim world, i am inclined to support Israel since they seem to have the only effective solution to stop the Islamization of their country. The muslims like to play it dirty with deception and violence always being part of their strategy, so non-muslims need to do the same, but twice as more to get the upper hand againts the Islamists. If Israel will ultimately drive out the muslims in the greater Israel territory then even much better, this will break muslim spirit and even encourage other countries like Thailand, Myanmar, Philippines, Nigeria, India etc, to expunge the Islamic terrorists from their own countries.

calm wrote:Again you guys with Israeli/Hezbollah/Iran/Syria nonsense. They all need to leave Syria and Russia need to take charge.
After stabilization we can see the negotiations. Only sane country(Russia) can be guarantor of peace between Israel and Syria. Who knows, eventually they might get golan back like Egypt got Sinai. They sure  as hell wont get it back by waging war. So many people died in Syria, and some ideologically driven people are calling on attack on Golan immediately after war ends. But looks like the most of them are living happily in EU or USA. Go to Syria, fight for your side, and then call for war.

Big_Gazza wrote:

calm wrote:So many people died in Syria, and some ideologically driven people are calling on attack on Golan immediately after war ends. But looks like the most of them are living happily in EU or USA. Go to Syria, fight for your side, and then call for war.

Agreed.  Moving against Golan would be gold-plated foolishness.  Syria needs a decade to re-cover, re-arm, re-build.  Hezbollah needs to be further strengthened, both militarily and politically, especially their short-range missile inventory.  Lebanon also needs a capable AD system capable of defeating Ziostani interdictions.  There can be no peace with the Zio until Golan is freed and the Palestinians receive a just and fair settlement.

KiloGolf wrote:
Chances are Syria will get the biggest part of Golan back (excl. Mt Hermon and access to Galilee sea) if they kick Iran out and all its influence.

calm wrote:
Exactly. Only way Syria can prosper(militarily) is under Russian protection. Eventually they will manage to get decent air defence and to organise their military(after this war ends and economy recover). Yes, we are talking about decades. Only after that they can negotiate with Israel, and they will have some sort of deterance. They will never come to any kind of deal with Iran on their back. Iran is a friend of Syria, but they need to leve Syra to do what is best for them.

Also, Syria will never recognise Israel in this borders, without recognision of Palestine by Israel. But that would/should not stop Syria to normalise relations with Israel to some extent with Russian mediation.

All of this looks like fairy tale now, but it will be possible in the future. As US influence is continuing to melt across the world, while Russia is establishing itself firmly in the middle east and China is expanding to same regions and beyond. When new players took the stick from US hands old players(Israel,Saudia) will change their behaviour.

starman wrote:The Palestinian situation could get volatile, especially after Abbas goes. The Israelis may seize upon violence to throw the palestinians out and grab all their remaining land