Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Dropable fuel tanks.

Too bad

mack8 wrote:Best video so far:

Before someone asks about those "big bombs" behind the jet in the video let me say:

Well, one thing is for sure, those are some big auxiliary drop tanks



Looks like ПТБ-3000 to me, i guess thats the biggest one, at least that i know of, if there are bigger id like some article or photo, ty in advance.



PTB-3000 and few very happy Russian conscripts

Heartbeer wrote:

mack8 wrote:Best video so far:

What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

Anddd great, someone was faster than my post . I simply knew someone would ask about it

Militarov wrote:

New strike from last night.



"Old" one from yesterday.

Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

Militarov wrote:

Heartbeer wrote:

mack8 wrote:Best video so far:

What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

Anddd great, someone was faster than my post . I simply knew someone would ask about it

There are bigger ones; from memory, MiG-25 uses one with capacity of about 5000 l or so.

Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  




We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because..(watch second 41.0+ in the video)
"remember.. Russian jets have been basically.. err.. mm.. smiles.. mmm.. because "basically" you need to see how close they fly so close to our waters and borders..  
 

What its really crystal clear is that the american government IS on a real political nightmare
that they don't know how to deal with it.. close to international scandal..and its politicians are having a hard time justifying their illegal actions in middle east.. and so they don't know what to say or how to justify anymore their support to jihadist that joins at the first opportunity to Alqaeda or ISIS in Syria. She tried to sound confident.. and in the end what she proved was
she was very confused..and not sure at all how to defend their cause..

You need to see how US media made jokes about so called "Moderates" US want to defend
to overthrow the Syrian Government.

medo wrote:

Militarov wrote:

New strike from last night.



"Old" one from yesterday.

Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).

Vann7 wrote:
Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  




We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..  

Wow, what a dumb bitch.

Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

Few sources on Twitter claim this is video of air raid on Dayr al Asafir in suburbs of Damascus from few hours ago:



It seems original claim came from Qasioun news which are not really...very...pro Syrian .

Zivo wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  




We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..  

Wow, what a dumb bitch.

Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

Militarov wrote:Few sources on Twitter claim this is video of air raid on Dayr al Asafir in suburbs of Damascus from few hours ago:



It seems original claim came from Qasioun news which are not really...very...pro Syrian .

You see White Helmets, you don't need to think twice.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  




We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..  

Wow, what a dumb bitch.

Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

I see what you did there KoTeMoRe.

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  




We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..  

Wow, what a dumb bitch.

Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

I see what you did there KoTeMoRe.

She wants dat Russian woo...err...dat white Russian popplars between her legs.

I'm sorry I slipped.

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:

Militarov wrote:

New strike from last night.



"Old" one from yesterday.

Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).

Built in system does indeed have laser designator and CCD TV (IR I presume) but no thermal and no pods.  Sapsan-E wasn't produced due to poorer performance and Domacles, even though they obtained licenses, never went more than a few.  There wasn't a huge demand for Thermal imaging pods I suppose.  But there was one shown recently on MiG-35 and the 101KS-N being developed for PAK FA (and I imagine others will receive it as well).


As for the guided munitions, well, we don't really know too much.  The presumed issues with Glonass chips are long history issue as glonass devices are now more in circulation and growing.  But about the munitions?  I have a feeling  Russia barely ordered any for years due to the surplus stock of soviet era missiles mixed in with the idea of using more dumb munitions but with new targeting systems (Gefast & T upgrade on Su-24M2's as an example) which greatly increases the precision strikes with dumb bombs.  Things like Laser bombs and TV guided bombs seem to be far more common than glonass guided bombs, that is for sure.

This was the pod shown at MAKS 2015 on the MiG-35, thanks to KRATOS for posting the image over at keypub.

sepheronx wrote:

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:

Militarov wrote:

New strike from last night.



"Old" one from yesterday.

Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).

Built in system does indeed have laser designator and CCD TV (IR I presume) but no thermal and no pods.  Sapsan-E wasn't produced due to poorer performance and Domacles, even though they obtained licenses, never went more than a few.  There wasn't a huge demand for Thermal imaging pods I suppose.  But there was one shown recently on MiG-35 and the 101KS-N being developed for PAK FA (and I imagine others will receive it as well).


As for the guided munitions, well, we don't really know too much.  The presumed issues with Glonass chips are long history issue as glonass devices are now more in circulation and growing.  But about the munitions?  I have a feeling  Russia barely ordered any for years due to the surplus stock of soviet era missiles mixed in with the idea of using more dumb munitions but with new targeting systems (Gefast & T upgrade on Su-24M2's as an example) which greatly increases the precision strikes with dumb bombs.  Things like Laser bombs and TV guided bombs seem to be far more common than glonass guided bombs, that is for sure.

Yeah i know about 101KS-N, but its not in play here for sure . Yeah, Sapsan wasnt performing good enough to be obtained in numbers and Domacles it seems was too expencive due to components bought from France, despite having licence Russians still were buying some key components from original producer.

In general guided ammunition in Russia is somewhat of a long term issue, even tho they had some decent solutions even back in 80s they werent procured in significant numbres, as i said above in some post, in last few years Russia was ordering major guided missiles (i am talking about major size cruise missiles and anti shipping missiles) in amounts less than 100 per year. And US alone bought almost 250.000 GPS JDAM sets since 1997. (naturally decent portion was spent) so in terms of cheap "smart" warload Russia is really lagging behind. On top of everything Kosmos seems to have issues with production of enough dual GPS/Glonass reciever chips.

Awesome video. Those Mi-25's moving in a formation launching rockets is definitely very Russian as you notice such types of formations and engagements during Russia's various snap drills. In most video's showcasing such engagements with helicopters, it is usually one or two seen.

As for the IVECO's; Italy must just be loving this and Russia gets to get rid of those monstrosities.

Militarov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Militarov wrote:

medo wrote:

Militarov wrote:

New strike from last night.



"Old" one from yesterday.

Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).

Built in system does indeed have laser designator and CCD TV (IR I presume) but no thermal and no pods.  Sapsan-E wasn't produced due to poorer performance and Domacles, even though they obtained licenses, never went more than a few.  There wasn't a huge demand for Thermal imaging pods I suppose.  But there was one shown recently on MiG-35 and the 101KS-N being developed for PAK FA (and I imagine others will receive it as well).


As for the guided munitions, well, we don't really know too much.  The presumed issues with Glonass chips are long history issue as glonass devices are now more in circulation and growing.  But about the munitions?  I have a feeling  Russia barely ordered any for years due to the surplus stock of soviet era missiles mixed in with the idea of using more dumb munitions but with new targeting systems (Gefast & T upgrade on Su-24M2's as an example) which greatly increases the precision strikes with dumb bombs.  Things like Laser bombs and TV guided bombs seem to be far more common than glonass guided bombs, that is for sure.

Yeah i know about 101KS-N, but its not in play here for sure . Yeah, Sapsan wasnt performing good enough to be obtained in numbers and Domacles it seems was too expencive due to components bought from France, despite having licence Russians still were buying some key components from original producer.

In general guided ammunition in Russia is somewhat of a long term issue, even tho they had some decent solutions even back in 80s they werent procured in significant numbres, as i said above in some post, in last few years Russia was ordering major guided missiles (i am talking about major size cruise missiles and anti shipping missiles) in amounts less than 100 per year. And US alone bought almost 250.000 GPS JDAM sets since 1997. (naturally decent portion was spent) so in terms of cheap "smart" warload Russia is really lagging behind. On top of everything Kosmos seems to have issues with production of enough dual GPS/Glonass reciever chips.

That was 7 years ago and I believe Rostec owns the company.  In other words, I can bet you that production is significantly higher (as the radio agencies have been in a massive upswing since the failures of 2008 Georgian war, and are producing brand new radio technology and glonass recievers especially for troops.  I don't know about dual purpose ones though, they may not make many of them).  If not for dual purpose chips, then for pure glonass.  As for those guided missile orders, I will need citations on those as I don't really believe it.

That's from Centr 2015 I think.

Quite certain that video is not from Syria, but from recent exercises in Russia. Rogozin posted that video on his page yesterday i think so probably some thought it's from Syria.

I am very confident that these were Orlan drones, or perhaps a different Russian drone.

Unless Russia operates another foreign UAV other than the Hermes 450 or the ScanEagle, then these were certainly an Orlan type drone, unlikely to be an Eleron or a Zala however.

Edit: Looking at the Star doc on Russian UAVs it could be the high performance rear engined Eleron-3.

Camera cursor seems to be similar, with the cursor the same style as well. Left scale is absent, however a yellow arrow is present in the night strike videos, perhaps a GPS marker coordinate, showing the objective.



Above is Orlan. Below is Eleron-3.

x_54_u43 wrote:I am very confident that these were Orlan drones, or perhaps a different Russian drone.

Unless Russia operates another foreign UAV other than the Hermes 450 or the ScanEagle, then these were certainly an Orlan type drone, unlikely to be an Eleron or a Zala however.

So far the Shahed drone has been good. And there's the CH-4...

KoTeMoRe wrote:

x_54_u43 wrote:I am very confident that these were Orlan drones, or perhaps a different Russian drone.

Unless Russia operates another foreign UAV other than the Hermes 450 or the ScanEagle, then these were certainly an Orlan type drone, unlikely to be an Eleron or a Zala however.

So far the Shahed drone has been good. And there's the CH-4...

Are those even in Russian service though?