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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:23 am

    Akula971 wrote:Guys, whats the plan of action here ??

    RuAF goes and bombs the shit out of ISIS and its allies. This is enough to destroy morale, equipment, CnC hubs. Pretty much everything in the said AO.

    Creates enough leeway for SAA to mount an offensive ? Or do Russians spearhead an assault ?

    The way i see it (i would request someone to post the latest map of territory held), ISIS 'strongpoints' are mostly rural far off areas. If RuAF does bomb these areas, in theory SAA can move out (if they have the men) and capture those first. Right now it seems that VVS is going after points closer to the current line of control of ISIS and SAA but maybe with time they'll go after those too ?

    I just want to get an idea of what we should expect next. A solo air campaign never destroys an enemy. (thats my opinion). You need boots on the ground for clean up. I remember Kadyrov saying - I want my men to be the first boots on the ground - (which is good because they are experienced now, from Donbass.) Jokes aside, I doubt if SAA has the man power to carryout assaults.


    Russians claim they wont send any boots to Syria except training crews. But yeah, RuAF is to perform airstrikes and SAA should organise counter strikes now.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:27 am

    There is a major ground offensive in the works apparently from Syrian army ,IRAN. . and hezbolah in northern Syria.. and possibly others nations  too.. in a week you will know .
    But already Russia is helping Syrian army to lift the siege on a Syrian military base..
    and helping Syrian army capture zones in Central Syria.

    in other news.. good report..

    Insult to our intelligence: New information war against Russia

    http://www.rt.com/op-edge/317300-syria-strikes-information-war/
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    Post  George1 Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:31 am

    In video there are visible the bombs that Su-34 and Su-24 are carrying
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:46 am

    George1 wrote:In video there are visible the bombs that Su-34 and Su-24 are carrying

    Yeah we determined types already, OFAB 250-270 and FAB 500SE seen for now.
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:18 am

    "Militants Release Poster Offer 2 Million For Capturing A Russian Soldier":

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    Source: https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/649784093157167104
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:27 am

    "Aleksand Tkachenko" roll-on/roll-off ship making second trip to Tartus, Syria, in 3 weeks:

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:32 am

    Militarov wrote:"Militants Release Poster Offer 2 Million For Capturing A Russian Soldier":

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    Source: https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/649784093157167104

    Well, they got a lot of work to do in order to get their personnel in the Russian/SAA controlled airport.
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:42 am

    "Большие морские танкеры (БМТ) проекта 1599-В Северного, Черноморского и Балтийского флотов привлекут для обеспечения топливом российской авиационной группировки, которой предстоит выполнять антитеррористические задачи в Сирии, сообщил "Интерфаксу-АВН" в четверг военный источник. "Для устойчивого обеспечения керосином российского авиационного контингента в Сирии будут привлечены, в том числе, морские танкеры Черноморского, Балтийского и Северного флотов", - сказал собеседник агентства. По его словам, БМТ "Иван Бубнов", "Сергей Осипов" и "Генрих Гасанов", а также танкер Балтфлота "Лена" будут совершать рейсы из Новороссийска в сирийский порт Латакия под конвоем боевых кораблей оперативного соединения ВМФ в Средиземном море. В состав вспомогательных сил Черноморского флота входит БМТ проекта 1599-В "Иван Бубнов" (выполняет задачи боевой службы в Средиземном море). В составе отряда судов обеспечения Северного флота - БМТ "Сергей Осипов" (обеспечивает отряд боевых кораблей в Арктике) и "Генрих Гасанов". Танкер Балтфлота проекта 577 "Лена" вернулся 8 сентября в Балтийск после выполнения задач в Средиземном море. БМТ проекта 1599-В способны перевозить 1000 тонн авиатоплива, а также 2050 тонн дизельного топлива, 8250 тонн мазута, до 220 тонн сухих грузов и продовольствия.


    Source: http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=390970

    Ill just "translate" the point:

    Big replenishment tankers of Project 1599-B and Project 577 Lena (i thought this class has been retired) shall start supporting Russian airwing in Syria by delivering fuel. You have tanker names in text so if anyone cares to track them or see how they look.

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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:44 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Militants Release Poster Offer 2 Million For Capturing A Russian Soldier":

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 33 CQR_MEuU8AEXHXO

    Source: https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/649784093157167104

    Well, they got a lot of work to do in order to get their personnel in the Russian/SAA controlled airport.

    I see many imbeciles losing their head while trying to capture Russians now.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:48 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Militants Release Poster Offer 2 Million For Capturing A Russian Soldier":

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 33 CQR_MEuU8AEXHXO

    Source: https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/649784093157167104

    Well, they got a lot of work to do in order to get their personnel in the Russian/SAA controlled airport.

    I see many imbeciles losing their head while trying to capture Russians now.

    Would be interesting if they try an operation to attack the airbase. They would more than likely get demolished as Russian marines are there and I have a feeling SAA has more elite guys probably there as well.

    I would be interested in Iran ever decides to assist Russia in the bombings by providing some of their Su-22's (if they have not given all of them to Syria) and MiG's. Both could use the same airfield.
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:01 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    I would be interested in Iran ever decides to assist Russia in the bombings by providing some of their Su-22's (if they have not given all of them to Syria) and MiG's.  Both could use the same airfield.

    Well if Iran decides to join Air strikes i expect them to use their Su24s and F5s as it seems they are in best condition. When its about Su22s some reports said they were to refubrish 12 during 2015. and at least 20 more till 2020, i think they had 35 in total pre Syria gifts.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:04 am

    That is decent numbers. Su-22's of course were pretty decent strike planes even for todays standards, especially upgraded. They could hand over all of them to Syria and use Su-24's and F-5's as you have said it. Maybe seek to upgrade them as well to newer standard of equipment.

    But I do hope that Iran does. If not, then I imagine they will act as the ground troops with Assad while Russia is pure airforce assistance.
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:That is decent numbers.  Su-22's of course were pretty decent strike planes even for todays standards, especially upgraded.  They could hand over all of them to Syria and use Su-24's and F-5's as you have said it.  Maybe seek to upgrade them as well to newer standard of equipment.

    But I do hope that Iran does.  If not, then I imagine they will act as the ground troops with Assad while Russia is pure airforce assistance.

    You might be interested in this, now when i remember:

    "Al Jazeera footage aired a few days ago exposed an IRIAF F-4 Phantom performing an air strike on ISIS positions in Iraq. The news of a cooperation between Washington and Tehran, later confirmed by the Pentagon, quickly spread across the world and images of the Iranian Phantoms in the colors of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force have appeared on worldwide media outlets. But the Iranian contribution to the air war on ISIS includes other assets.

    An insight into the IRIAF missions in Iraq was provided by Iranian defense expert Babak Taghvaee, a very well known author of several publications about the Iranian air forces and a regular contributor to some of the most read aviation magazines.

    Taghvaee summed up the key features about the Iranian air raids in an email to The Aviationist.

    – 18th to 20th November, several interdiction sorties were performed by the 2nd and 4th TFB’s F-5s in the Diyala province.

    – Between Nov. 20t and Nov. 23 November, the RF-4Es of IRIAF and UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) of the IRGC-ASF (Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp Aerospace Force) performed recce sorties over Jalula and Saadia.

    – Between Nov. 23 and Nov. 30, the F-4Es of the 3rd TFB and 9th TFB performed CAS (Close Air Support) sorties for the Kurdish Peshmerga, Badr militia and Iraqi SpecOps.

    – On Dec. 1 and 2, four Su-24MKs performed several combat air patrols and on-call CAS sorties deep inside Iraqi borders.

    – On 29th and 30th November, the indigenous Sattar 4 LGBs and GBU-78/A Ghased TV guided bombs were used against the Daesh’s strongholds and heavy trucks successfully for first time in battle zone.

    In conclusion, the Kurds and Iraqis retrieved the cities of Jalula and Saadia under fire support of IRIAF.

    “The Americans had full coordination with Iranians during the combat sorties of IRIAF,” Taghvee highlighted."


    Source: http://theaviationist.com/2014/12/04/iriaf-strikes-isis-in-iraq/

    Seems their F4s still have some life in them Smile
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:18 am

    Interesting about the strikes from Iran within Iraq. Really funny how Iran agreed to work with US after the whole issue with sanctions and what not.

    But glad to hear that Iran is doing their part. Good on them.

    Any new news regarding the joint work between Iraq, Syria, Iran and Russia?
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:02 am

    George1 wrote:In video there are visible the bombs that Su-34 and Su-24 are carrying

    Seems that wannabe politician Kitschko posts on youtube? I told him to go fight himself or go support more nazi's.

    Piece of ****
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    Post  Solncepek Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:42 am

    Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:44 am

    Solncepek wrote:Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.

    They got noting besides Stingers to give and those wont do f all.  Only on landing/launching.  And they are not even close enough to pull that off.  McCain is a real idiot and nutball.

    But it is almost a guarantee that the rebels will end up with brand new Stingers or Iglas or Strela's, so Russia will have to be on full guard and ready to deal with such enemies.
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    Post  Solncepek Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:11 am

    ...Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday she would push for a no-fly zone and safe regions in Syria to address the humanitarian crisis that has spilled out in the Middle East.

    "I personally would be advocating now for a no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors to try to stop the carnage on the ground and from the air," Clinton said in an interview with WHDH-TV in Boston.

    Russia launched its first airstrikes in Syria on Wednesday against what it said were Islamic State targets. But U.S. officials and Syrian opposition leaders have said the strikes hit areas not controlled by the Islamic State.

    Secretary of State John Kerry, who succeeded Clinton at the State Department, has raised concerns that Russia was not targeting the Islamic State but hitting positions of moderate rebels opposed to Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    Clinton, following campaign events in the Boston area, said in a separate interview with WCVB-TV that the U.S. should look seriously at the no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors, "but at this point we have to put a lot of pressure on Russia."

    Supporters of a no-fly zone in Syria have said it would help stem the flow of refugees and neutralize Assad's warplanes and helicopters. The U.S. has so far resisted the calls.
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    Post  Zivo Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.

    They got noting besides Stingers to give and those wont do f all.  Only on landing/launching.  And they are not even close enough to pull that off.  McCain is a real idiot and nutball.

    But it is almost a guarantee that the rebels will end up with brand new Stingers or Iglas or Strela's, so Russia will have to be on full guard and ready to deal with such enemies.

    Even congress isn't stupid enough to send stingers. Igla's, maybe. However, if ISIS gets a hold of them and god forbid does something horrible, it'll be a real shitstorm. The US will be blamed.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:29 am

    Zivo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.

    They got noting besides Stingers to give and those wont do f all.  Only on landing/launching.  And they are not even close enough to pull that off.  McCain is a real idiot and nutball.

    But it is almost a guarantee that the rebels will end up with brand new Stingers or Iglas or Strela's, so Russia will have to be on full guard and ready to deal with such enemies.

    Even congress isn't stupid enough to send stingers. Igla's, maybe. However, if ISIS gets a hold of them and god forbid does something horrible, it'll be a real shitstorm. The US will be blamed.
    I'd say the lack of Russian helicopter support is in direct anticipation of this. As sepheronx said, MANPADS will come to nought against the current aircraft deployed by the RuAF. 

    So far the plan being enacted in Syria is sheer genius on the strategic front, as well as in the PR department. Don't expect them not to anticipate any Western moves from this point forward. Russia seems to be atleast two steps ahead in the Great Game at the moment.
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    Post  Erk Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:31 am

    Solncepek wrote:Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.

    Any credible news sources for that story? All I can find is Inforwars.

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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:34 am

    "On Thursday morning, a Russian naval vessel carrying over 200 Marines arrived at the densely populated port-city of Tartous in order to bolster the total number of military personnel on the ground in Syria’s western countryside. According to a senior officer in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) that is stationed in Jableh (Latakia), the Russian Marines number over 1,250 military personnel on the ground in Syria; this does not include the dozens of military advisors that are spread around the country.

    The officer added that Russian Federation is expected to double their number of military personnel on the ground in the coming weeks, as they look to proliferate more weapons and soldiers in anticipation for a potential ground assault against the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra” and the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS). Will Russia participate in a ground assault against ISIS and Jabhat Al-Nusra? This is becoming more likely everyday; furthermore, the Russians have reached out to a number countries to for their own anti-terrorist coalition that would include countries like Lebanon, Egypt, China, Iran, and Iraq.
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    The U.S. and Russia have agreed to host a meeting to discuss the latter’s increased role in this Syrian Conflict; these latest airstrikes have agitated the U.S. military due to the allegations that the Russians targeted the “moderate” rebel militias."


    Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/more-russian-marines-arrive-in-tartous-ground-forces-number-over-1250-personnel/
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:50 am

    I guess this could be in several threads, but this will do
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    Post  Rodinazombie Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:50 am

    Erk wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Senator John McCain reacted to Russia’s announcement that it had begun launching air strikes targeting ISIS militants in Syria by calling on the White House to arm Syrian rebels with weapons to shoot down Russian planes.

    Any credible news sources for that story? All I can find is Inforwars.


    I heard it on inforwars and they play a clip of him actually saying it, so it is true.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:54 am

    If china gets involved as well, US would be even less enticed to do anything.

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