Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

Kedmi, ex Mossad guy speaking about Russia. Sry only in Russian

Someone is having great time running from cluster ammunition filled Grad/Smerch rockets there.

"FSA weapon specialist" showing how to defuse AO-2.5RT Anti-Personnel submunition.

Su-25's over Salma - Al-Nusra "Capital"


Salma under fire from artillery


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Balanced article from Alastair Crooke (Fmr. MI-6 agent) who often writes on ME affairs

Russia's Aim in Syria Is to Strategically Defeat ISIS and Al Qaeda
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/russia-syria-isis-al-qaeda_b_8259870.html?ir=Australia

"RAF Tornados armed and dangerous: Tensions between Russia and UK escalate

RAF fighter jets will be armed with air-to-air missiles and have been given the green light to shoot down hostile Russian planes. British and Nato pilots have been told to take the drastic action if they are fired on by Vladimir Putin’s air force during missions over Iraq.

The move comes after British ministers warned Russia had made the situation in the Middle East “much more dangerous”. Senior defence sources say it is just a matter of time before our fighters are involved in a deadly confrontation with Russian jets. One source said: “We need to protect our pilots but at the same time we’re taking a step closer to war. It will only take one plane to be shot down in an air-to-air battle and the whole landscape will change.” The RAF Tornado jets will be equipped with the Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile – a supersonic weapon which can blast any aircraft out of the sky. Each missile costs £200,000 and can fly three times the speed of sound at 2,300 miles per hour. It locks on to its target using an infra-red heat-seeker and has a warhead filled with 22lbs of high explosive. The missile will explode on contact or within a certain distance from the target. Each aircraft can carry four missiles. Defence chiefs believe there is a real possibility a British jet could be attacked or shot down in a dogfight with a Russian pilot. RAF pilots have been told to avoid contact with Russian jets at all costs and both US and British mission control teams will do their best to keep them apart.

But the pilots have been warned they must be prepared to fire on Russian jets if their lives depend on it. One source said: “No one knows what the Russians will do next. We don’t know how they will respond if they come into contact with a Western jet. “When planes are flying at supersonic speeds the airspace gets crowded very quickly. There could be a collision or a Russian pilot might be mistakenly shot down.” More than 250 bombs have been dropped by RAF aircrews on Islamic State targets in Iraq. Defence chief Michael Fallon has said the government will try to convince Parliament to extend the bombing campaign into Syria- He said it was “illogical” to attack Islamic State fighters in Iraq but not in Syria."

Source: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/469414/RAF-Tornados-missile-Putin-Syria-UK-tensions-strikes-Islamic-State



Seems they are talking about AIM 132 ASRAAM

I guess this is indirectly connected to this thread too

Regular wrote:
Kedmi, ex Mossad guy speaking about Russia. Sry only in Russian

That Jewish accent is Horrible, looks like French people learnt Russian.

Militarov wrote:"RAF Tornados armed and dangerous: Tensions between Russia and UK escalate

RAF fighter jets will be armed with air-to-air missiles and have been given the green light to shoot down hostile Russian planes. British and Nato pilots have been told to take the drastic action if they are fired on by Vladimir Putin’s air force during missions over Iraq.

The move comes after British ministers warned Russia had made the situation in the Middle East “much more dangerous”. Senior defence sources say it is just a matter of time before our fighters are involved in a deadly confrontation with Russian jets. One source said: “We need to protect our pilots but at the same time we’re taking a step closer to war. It will only take one plane to be shot down in an air-to-air battle and the whole landscape will change.” The RAF Tornado jets will be equipped with the Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile – a supersonic weapon which can blast any aircraft out of the sky. Each missile costs £200,000 and can fly three times the speed of sound at 2,300 miles per hour. It locks on to its target using an infra-red heat-seeker and has a warhead filled with 22lbs of high explosive. The missile will explode on contact or within a certain distance from the target. Each aircraft can carry four missiles. Defence chiefs believe there is a real possibility a British jet could be attacked or shot down in a dogfight with a Russian pilot. RAF pilots have been told to avoid contact with Russian jets at all costs and both US and British mission control teams will do their best to keep them apart.

But the pilots have been warned they must be prepared to fire on Russian jets if their lives depend on it. One source said: “No one knows what the Russians will do next. We don’t know how they will respond if they come into contact with a Western jet. “When planes are flying at supersonic speeds the airspace gets crowded very quickly. There could be a collision or a Russian pilot might be mistakenly shot down.” More than 250 bombs have been dropped by RAF aircrews on Islamic State targets in Iraq. Defence chief Michael Fallon has said the government will try to convince Parliament to extend the bombing campaign into Syria- He said it was “illogical” to attack Islamic State fighters in Iraq but not in Syria."

Source: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/469414/RAF-Tornados-missile-Putin-Syria-UK-tensions-strikes-Islamic-State


Seems they are talking about AIM 132 ASRAAM

I guess this is indirectly connected to this thread too

So rather than attack ISIS the RAF have geared up to attack the Russian air force, that tells everyone exactly where the UK priorities are.

Solncepek wrote:

Is it too difficult to give any caption or info or at least pointer on what's going on ?

Well, there seems not to be a thread for this specifically, but here as it does involve what we all know to be the truth about Syria and Russia. UK TV journalist after finishing his live broadcast, then off air but still recorded, gives the real news. Hilarious, but it really is the truth that they never get to tell the public.

Khepesh wrote:Well, there seems not to be a thread for this specifically, but here as it does involve what we all know to be the truth about Syria and Russia. UK TV journalist after finishing his live broadcast, then off air but still recorded, gives the real news. Hilarious, but it really is the truth that they never get to tell the public.

Dude is a spoof reporter, it's humarr.

Khepesh wrote:Well, there seems not to be a thread for this specifically, but here as it does involve what we all know to be the truth about Syria and Russia. UK TV journalist after finishing his live broadcast, then off air but still recorded, gives the real news. Hilarious, but it really is the truth that they never get to tell the public.

That's hysterical!

Militarov wrote:[i]"RAF Tornados armed and dangerous: Tensions between Russia and UK escalate

Sounds like posturing and a bit of chest beating OR maybe they're expecting Russian operations in Iraq....assuming this is true offcourse

Stealthflanker wrote:

Solncepek wrote:

Is it too difficult to give any caption or info or at least pointer on what's going on ?

#Breaking: #SAA forces backed by #RuAF start raiding Al-Sirmanya, aim on Jisr-Alshughor.

Let's see the balls on those RAF pilots when they come face to face with SU-30s. Tornadoes are not exactly air superiority fighters. Their Typhoons would be better suited for that role. All talk and no walk again.

UK threatening to create problems.. is because they will try to do it..
This is why Syrian Army needs to capture the border of Turkey as fast as possible and shut down the border  to blockade any entry of lethal advanced weapons into Syria or supply to them.
but also the Airport of Deir ez-Zor captured and areas near it.. and deployed there S-300 missiles. And finally capture palmira to secure the western airspace and keep the ISIS airforce coalition away of Syrian Army combat zones..  This can be done before retaking IDLIB or Aleppo or fully clearing zones where the terrorist lacks of capabilities to do a major offensive.. ie
like Homs , Damascus or southern Syria.. or eastern ..  I think the goal of Syrian army should be
to hurry up and cover as much air space the can with their air defenses. and let them know
that it will be very dangerous to fly over Syria..

The article of the british planes missiles is so silly too.. supersonic air to air missiles , this is technology from the 70s.. with infra red sensors.. It will be interesting to see if British
airforce missiles ,if their warheads sensors will be able to see anything under an electronic counter attack.. If Russia claims about their Electronic warfare capabilities.. are half true ,then NATO will have a hard time hitting any Russian plane with a missile if they wanted it.. either intentionally or by mistake. Because in logic alone.. a plane radar will have much powerful
antenna than the one of a missiles.. If NATO and RUssia both develop strong counter electronic
counter measures.. we could reach a time..where air to air missiles will become obsolete.. and
totally new way of warfare needed to hit anything. Like planes armed with lazer guns or
rail guns. .that cannot be jammed as easily.

Something that comes to mind.

Let's take the tragedy in Turkey yesterday in which many people were killed. If I'm allowed to speculate I'd say that the Kurds are going to be blamed for this massacre. Why? Because Turkey realizes that a Kurdish autonomy/de facto nation in Northern Syria is unavoidable and it's time to do something about it while it's not too late. I believe Erdogan is afraid that as soon as Western Syria -all the way to the Turkish border- is liberated by the SAA, that Assad is going to strike a deal with the Kurds to establish a true Kurdistan in that region. This could also mean that Erdogan, if he's really going for that option, is going to better arm Assad's "moderate" opposition under Turkey's air force protection.

Last part is doubtful if you consider the heavy Russian AA defenses in Syria.

Neutrality wrote:Let's take the tragedy in Turkey yesterday in which many people were killed. If I'm allowed to speculate I'd say that the Kurds are going to be blamed for this massacre.

Turkish officials are happy comparing yesterday's bombings with PKK's attacks because they cat blame them since the demonstration was a left wing rally supported by kurds.

Cyberspec wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"RAF Tornados armed and dangerous: Tensions between Russia and UK escalate

Sounds like posturing and a bit of chest beating OR maybe they're expecting Russian operations in Iraq....assuming this is true offcourse

It is purely for the purpose of their domestic consumption.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"RAF Tornados armed and dangerous: Tensions between Russia and UK escalate

Sounds like posturing and a bit of chest beating OR maybe they're expecting Russian operations in Iraq....assuming this is true offcourse

It is purely for the purpose of their domestic consumption.

You are dead right about that. On the one hand there is no way can the Russians be seen as the good guys and on the other, with announcements like this,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-337625644 Aug 2015 - The RAF Tornado mission against Islamic State militants in Iraq is to be extended until at least 2017, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon says.

the ageing Tornados, that keep getting their use by date extended, have to be seen as still relevant and that the UK is in there helping against ISIS.

Mind you its a long trip from Akrotiri to Iraq so I assume they were taking a short cut across Syria to get to targets in Iraq, wonder if they are now rerouted.

JohninMK wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"RAF Tornados armed and dangerous: Tensions between Russia and UK escalate

Sounds like posturing and a bit of chest beating OR maybe they're expecting Russian operations in Iraq....assuming this is true offcourse

It is purely for the purpose of their domestic consumption.

You are dead right about that. On the one hand there is no way can the Russians be seen as the good guys and on the other, with announcements like this,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-337625644 Aug 2015 - The RAF Tornado mission against Islamic State militants in Iraq is to be extended until at least 2017, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon says.

the ageing Tornados, that keep getting their use by date extended, have to be seen as still relevant and that the UK is in there helping against ISIS.

Mind you its a long trip from Akrotiri to Iraq so I assume they were taking a short cut across Syria to get to targets in Iraq, wonder if they are now rerouted.

the Tornados are that old they will be falling out the sky before long ... this is typical bullsh!t from Westminster they like to portray this nonsense that the UK is still a world power and that we are united .... it is utter bull ... the Uk is holding together by a thread and Westminster rarely makes military planning without consulting America first .... even the Eurofighter would have problems with the SU-30MK in conjunction with Russia's Air defense systems

Tornados are not older then Su-24.

marat wrote:Tornados are not older then Su-24.

Yes, I know, but then the Su-24 is not part of a 'replace for profit before end of life' MIC scheme like the Tornado is in the West.

marat wrote:Tornados are not older then Su-24.

actually quite a few have fallen out the skies in recent years and our Tornados have done a lot more flying hours than the Russian SU-24s and the last Tornado built was 1998 the bulk of the RAF's fleet was built in the 1980s