Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

Must see, literally, i died laughing

PapaDragon wrote:
Six Ways Russia's Action in Syria Has Turned the Tables On the West

Intelligence bonanza for Russia

After a near collision with a Russian jet, the US Air Force ordered its fighter pilots to stay clear of areas where Russians are operating. The near miss gives you an idea of the cramped confines in which foreign aircraft have to fly. This proximity has allowed Russia to gather valuable intelligence on a variety of US and NATO aircraft, including the F-22, claimed to be the world's premier stealth fighter.

Have they really been able to monitor F-22s? Nothing amazing about it, but it would be interesting if it's true.

Russians brought SA-21/22 anti-aircraft guns . They did it to get us aircraft signatures and improve their weaponry.

China to join Russian led coalition in Syria?

This rumour has been around for awhile now... I'm still not convinced.

Chinks aren't coming , forget it. Russia is on its own.

Militarov wrote:

So its confirmed?. MI-28's operational in Syria?. saw another shot of Ultron a post or two before in another angle of the two Havocs.

also, something else while im here to throw into the group.

For some reason NATO cant keep track of all the Russian activity inside and around Syria, Dutch airforce guy friend of mine operating from Iraq in the NATO Coalition where Dutch F-16's are operating says the Russians are employing some sort of Electronic warfare that blanks NATO AWACS with in his words" a static blanket" that makes it seem some objects just do not exist and never appear on NATO AWAC sensors untill they get so close to NATO aircraft they get an small radar signature and mistake an SU-35 for an drone at first in some cases while the SU-35 is not by design stealth. the Russian Cruise Missiles went undetected too untill they reached Syria. No Nato escorts where send to follow the russian cruise missiles trough Iraqi airspace as at least the coalition task force in Iraq was unaware of them flying trough Iraqi territory.
altough Russians seem unaffected by this sort of "effect" as they even sniff out Drones in Syrian Airspace by the U.S and Israel. "one time stumbling on an drone is an accident, three times in a week is because the Russians know they are flying there". as he cited some U.S officer where the Dutch F-16's fall under.

so what is it?, are these the ground-based ECM systems of Russia as posted on the hill in Latakia Air Base so powerful to do this kind of thing to NATO observation and early warning systems?. they virtually blind them without them knowing they are jammed and do not affect friendly units operating?. i never heard of it before. but apparently it did happen. apparently this confusion is also the reason the Nato coalition to opt to stay clear from the Russian aircraft for now.

Militarov wrote:

Must see, literally, i died laughing

i posted it already with the real translation if someone is interested in the real translation that is of course

but i have to say funny as fuck

better parody:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b22_1444668434

OminousSpudd wrote:China to join Russian led coalition in Syria?

This rumour has been around for awhile now... I'm still not convinced.

China have some technical issues they need to sort out first.

Mi-28's ...very nice if true

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Interesting video...you can see the bomb/missile before impact...some say it's a BETAB-500 or X-29

ult wrote:

another one from the receiving end




Fox News has spotted Cubans in Syria  

Cuban military operatives reportedly have been spotted in Syria, where sources believe they are advising President Bashar al-Assad’s soldiers and may be preparing to man Russian-made tanks to aid Damascus in fighting rebel forces backed by the U.S.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/14/cuban-military-forces-deployed-to-syria-to-operate-russian-tanks-say-sources/?intcmp=hpbt1

150  "moderate" CIA backed rebels KIA say the Americans

"Our guys are fighting for their lives," said the official, estimating up to 150 CIA-trained moderate rebels have been killed by the Russians.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/14/official-russia-deliberately-targeting-us-backed-forces-in-syria/

8 x Ex-Turkish civilian cargo ships have been added to the "Syrian Express". One (Previously "ALICAN DEVAL" Built in 1985, now called 'Dvinitsa 50') has been spotted with a Ru-Navy flag in the Bosphorus

http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/384118.html

NATO's confusion with this EW and ECM coverage is, primarily I suspect, due to the fact this is the first time they're (facing, for the lack of a better term) an OPFOR that is on par if not superior in terms of sophisticated assets. In fact I'd venture to say it's the first time since Yugoslavia they've faced EW of any kind.

sepheronx wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:

Militarov wrote:

So its confirmed?. MI-28's operational in Syria?. saw another shot of Ultron a post or two before in another angle of the two Havocs.

also, something else while im here to throw into the group.

For some reason NATO cant keep track of all the Russian activity inside and around Syria, Dutch airforce guy friend of mine operating from Iraq in the NATO Coalition where Dutch F-16's are operating says the Russians are employing some sort of Electronic warfare that blanks NATO AWACS with in his words" a static blanket" that makes it seem some objects just do not exist and never appear on NATO AWAC sensors untill they get so close to NATO aircraft they get an small radar signature and mistake an SU-35 for an drone at first in some cases while the SU-35 is not by design stealth. the Russian Cruise Missiles went undetected too untill they reached Syria. No Nato escorts where send to follow the russian cruise missiles trough Iraqi airspace as at least the coalition task force in Iraq was unaware of them flying trough Iraqi territory.
altough Russians seem unaffected by this sort of "effect" as they even sniff out Drones in Syrian Airspace by the U.S and Israel. "one time stumbling on an drone is an accident, three times in a week is because the Russians know they are flying there". as he cited some U.S officer where the Dutch F-16's fall under.

so what is it?, are these the ground-based ECM systems of Russia as posted on the hill in Latakia Air Base so powerful to do this kind of thing to NATO observation and early warning systems?. they virtually blind them without them knowing they are jammed and do not affect friendly units operating?. i never heard of it before. but apparently it did happen. apparently this confusion is also the reason the Nato coalition to opt to stay clear from the Russian aircraft for now.  

More than likely, yes.  Previous tests of various EW from Russia, like Talisman (well, that is technically Belarussian) gives the strangest effects to an enemy when trying to detect them, it causes a distortion that makes the aircraft not be picked up by the radar but other signatures of aircraft that are not there.  So it could be Talisman if it is in use on Su-34's and Su-30SM's.  

This is Krasuha-4


http://sputniknews.com/world/20151005/1028033057/syria-russia-electronic-warfare-systems.html#ixzz3nghmRqpm

thanks for the reply, and considering Russia might have employed several systems like these trough SAA controlled territory/Iran it just might be the case. after all, its the perfect battlefield to put these things to the test.

still, it was unexpected news for me anyway NATO was so hard-hit by Russian ECM and radar technology in Syria. altough perhaps i should have known seeing that ECM truck on top of that hill in Latakia Airbase, it was not there for nothing afterall. and the "anti isis coalition" still do not know what to do about it they decided to stay clear of Russian Aircraft Operations as they might not see them until the last moment.

Militarov wrote:

I hope they've invested in a good video cell.

The US can't see what's Loaded in a Condor. It can only guess. Okhotnik seems to be real.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Militarov wrote:

So its confirmed?. MI-28's operational in Syria?. saw another shot of Ultron a post or two before in another angle of the two Havocs.

also, something else while im here to throw into the group.

For some reason NATO cant keep track of all the Russian activity inside and around Syria, Dutch airforce guy friend of mine operating from Iraq in the NATO Coalition where Dutch F-16's are operating says the Russians are employing some sort of Electronic warfare that blanks NATO AWACS with in his words" a static blanket" that makes it seem some objects just do not exist and never appear on NATO AWAC sensors untill they get so close to NATO aircraft they get an small radar signature and mistake an SU-35 for an drone at first in some cases while the SU-35 is not by design stealth. the Russian Cruise Missiles went undetected too untill they reached Syria. No Nato escorts where send to follow the russian cruise missiles trough Iraqi airspace as at least the coalition task force in Iraq was unaware of them flying trough Iraqi territory.
altough Russians seem unaffected by this sort of "effect" as they even sniff out Drones in Syrian Airspace by the U.S and Israel. "one time stumbling on an drone is an accident, three times in a week is because the Russians know they are flying there". as he cited some U.S officer where the Dutch F-16's fall under.

so what is it?, are these the ground-based ECM systems of Russia as posted on the hill in Latakia Air Base so powerful to do this kind of thing to NATO observation and early warning systems?. they virtually blind them without them knowing they are jammed and do not affect friendly units operating?. i never heard of it before. but apparently it did happen. apparently this confusion is also the reason the Nato coalition to opt to stay clear from the Russian aircraft for now.  

Well i wouldnt say confirmed 100%, but i guess since photos started showing up it might be true. We shall see very soon.

When its about electronic warfare its very, very complex field, you have counter EW suits too, you have different types of EW, what he described is probably abit overstated tho, but such things can happen. Most common type of Electronic warfare is what we Air defence guys call Spoofing, basically feeding you with useless and unexisting targets, longterm goal is to hide actual targets among many. But its hard to belive that USAF AWACS is lacking polarization, fast frequency hopping or similar capabilities to fight enemy EW i assume jamming has effects but not that severe. Big part of EW is actual detection of enemy radiation and measuring its output power, bandwidth, scanning speed etc etc, its intelligence gathering EW.

And yeah these are ground based EW systems, Russia operates few types, some new some older. Story about drone is click bite by media hubs, its quite big drone you know it cant hide itself its natural that they knew where its flying.

I know from stories of my superiors during service, our P40 radars were heavily under influence of EW, multiple decoy targets, random range measurements and altitude measure radar would show random stuff too. Com systems would go wild and air only static, it was so severe sometimes that tens of miles of copper cabling was layed between units to secure communication to at least some extend.

Russian equipment is pouring in Syria

OminousSpudd wrote:NATO's confusion with this EW and ECM coverage is, primarily I suspect,  due to the fact this is the first time they're (facing, for the lack of a better term) an OPFOR that is on par if not superior in terms of sophisticated assets. In fact I'd venture to say it's the first time since Yugoslavia they've faced EW of any kind.

True, a while ago i made a lenghty post about NATO's vulnerability to ECM and other means of electronic jamming and attack. i was just not aware it was employed on such a scale to lock any "nato" allied party out of Syria so quickly by means of ECM. for NATO and probably Israel Syria became pretty much a black hole in surveillance terms. as aircraft crew and NATO radar mechanics still do not know how they did it.

flamming_python wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

sepheronx wrote:What are the range of Russia's EW systems? And are they able to pinpoint it at an area/devices to prevent their own equipment from going haywire?

Kras-3 passive listening (400km), Kras-4 passive listening, and attacking (300km), but the one I'm talking about is Murmansk-BN with a 5,000 km range:

Credit Cyberspec for this find:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t2461p120-russian-ecm-ew-equipment#84333

By using the strategic Caspian Sea, and getting Iran's support, Russia can transport it from Northern Iran to Southern Iran and completely blanket the GCC territories with static and fried electronics. There's also the compact EMP generators developed a little less than a decade ago.

FFS, what is it with all this jacking off to dreams of a war with the Gulf States (and yes, electronic warfare is an act of war).

Yes they are brutal medieval theocracies.
But it's their country and frankly their own peoples' problem.
Yemen is not our problem either, much as I sympathise with the people there.

And a war against any Gulf Monarchy will still be aggression, and it will still bring much suffering. It's not something to advocate, especially not in every bloody post. It's something to avoid in all situations but the most dire.

Of course though if these shitholes commit to bringing international terrorism to Russia again then I'll be all for it.

FFS, who told you to tuck your family jewels, and straddle that bottle of KY Jelly lol? BTW the Saudi's have been waging covert war against Russia for 3 decades, delivering weapons to insurgents 'IS' an act of war, do I need to spell out for ya?

Put some serious ECM warfare assets on the coast of Iran, it should help 'cool' some Wahhabi heads, and to be in a position of strength means you can negotiate in strength,  such as encouraging them *cough, jammed comms in a warzone in Yemen, cough* to stop delivering weapons to insurgents in Syria. Teach them how asymmetrical/hybrid warfare really works.

sepheronx wrote:I am not entirely sure about it, but my understanding is that it could possibly affect Russian jets too as I doubt one can simply control who it affects or not (physics man).  Anyway, so it may only be open to certain times and what not.  That is a pure guess though.  Judging by the setup of Karusah-4, it looks like it can concentrate on area judging by the dishes.

Anyway, yeah, it is meant directly to stir crap on AWACS and jets radar.  When it comes to electronic warfare, ground systems will be the benefit since a huge portion of it has to do with the applied energy and output of energy.

Heck, Russia created an Il-76 jet with pure electronic warfare.  Strong enough to jam S-300 radar.

Faraday cage is one of the laws of physics used to counter EW, however way to prevent your equipment to be jammed by your own signals is frequency swapping, for this however you need epic information sharing capabilities and this is where Russians seemed to be lacking. EW equipment on IL76 that you mentioned for an example had huge issues with that, affecting own equipment, same happened with TU160 electronic warfare suite coz it was jamming itself basically.

There is reason why radar frequencies, wavelengts, poweroutput etc are basically a secret and why Indians/French always fly with radar in training mode during international exercises. French used their Rafales to gather radar signatures during Red flag from US machines, while themself flew in training mode, EW is as i said so complex that its mindblowing.