Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:OK

Situation in north Homs Province (rebel stronghold since 2011):

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Godric wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

jesus fucking christ im saying that shit since the first video but everybody is like "don't worry everything is cool, perfect use of them"

Because your understanding of how to use weaponary in such a conflict is limited to US propaganda Apache videos of how they hunt reporters and shephards instead of actual manuals of how to deploy correctly force against enemy forces.

Speaking about helicopters....pro-terrorist media claim 3 RuAF/SAA helicopters shot down in Hama... Can you spot the problem lol?

they are Apaches probably downed in either Iraq or Afghanistan

2 Apaches and a Pakistani Cobra I think. Scratch that Five blades should be Soviet/Russian

sepheronx wrote:

Militarov wrote:

JohninMK wrote:This is from a poster on ZH, just a claim. It sounds like complete BS to me, a kind of mini-skeet perhaps, but is there this type of munition around?

Their CIA handlers died on day one when the Russians dropped radio signal seeking cluster munitions on them. Everyone with a radio/cell signal had a bomblet blow up about two feet from them. Cammand and control dissolved immediately and it only took awhile until clean-shaven retreat looked real attractive. Who was going to tell them not to run, some weeks old corpses?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-16/humiliation-complete-isis-fighters-cut-beards-and-run-away-russia-iran-close

Never heard of such ammunition, at least not in such configuration. USAF however very often armed their Wild Weasels F4/F16 with mix of HARM anti radiation missiles and CBU100/CBU87 cluster bombs coz they are so effective aganist soft targets like radars, EW stations, generators, antennas etc.

I personally doubt existence of such ammunition for one reason, such types of radio signals that Walkie-talkie/small squad radios have is too weak to be detected from such altitudes, and then, what if only 2 guys have radios on? What happens there? 20-30 expencive cluster bomblets end up on two spots killing two guys? Naaa, highly unlikely. Even if they were under attack by cluster ammunition, EVEN if such thing ever happed it was just casual cluster load.

If the planes that dropped the munition has ELINT capabilities, then it is possible.  Don't forget how Russia snuffed off Dzhokhar Dudayev.  I doubt in the type of munition but I dont doubt the idea that they picked up signals either from sat phones or some type of radiowave system and dropped a bomb in the area, causing the deaths of such people.

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Medvedev said not propping assad govt . WTF?

Недоумение обитателей Кремля понятно: они предлагают США и Западу выход, а непонятливые партнеры кочевряжатся. Тем более обидно, что минский сговор прокатил, а аналогичный ему маленький договорняк по Сирии - никак не получается.

Смысл заявлений первых лиц прозрачен, как студенческий чай седьмой промывки: нам безразлично, кто будет управлять Сирией, нам важно, чтобы судьбу Сирии обсуждали с нами. В который раз кремлевские небожители упорно повторяют, что не цепляются за Асада - наивно полагая, что упертость Запада в войне заключается в том, чтобы продемонстрировать своему электорату голову очередного диктатора, на чем праздник жизни можно будет закрывать. Закрывать так закрывать - мы согласны на голову нашего друга и союзника и будем иметь дело хоть с кем. При этом заклинание про Исламское государство выглядит очень дежурно, это теперь просто такая страшилка. Кого назначат быть "умеренным" - с тем и будем иметь дело.


Puzzled inhabitants of the Kremlin is clear: they offer the United States and the West exit, and partners without understanding ignore. All the more disappointing that the Minsk agreement of hire, and the same to him a little "agreement" Syria - can not do it.

The meaning of the statements of the first persons transparent as student tea seventh washing: we do not care who will rule Syria, it is important that the fate of Syria will be discussed with us. At that time the Kremlin celestials persistently repeat, do not cling to Assad - naively believing that the obstinacy of the West in the war is to demonstrate to the electorate of the next head of the dictator on the celebration of life than can be covered. Close so close - we agree on the head of our friend and ally, and we will have to deal even with someone. This spell is about an Islamic state looks very attendant, is now just such a horror story. Appoint someone to be "moderate" - and so we will have to deal.

Вся война в Сирии - это попытка вынудить обидевшийся Запад вновь начать вести дела с Кремлем. Логика очень понятная: если нас вновь признают за партнера, то все предыдущие шалости как-нибудь, да спустят на тормозах. Поэтому и гонят сейчас сирийскую армию в самоубийственное неподготовленное наступление, подпирая ее российскими "добровольцами". Смысл тот же, что и на Донбассе - пусть наиболее боеспособные части окончательно будут выбиты, тогда Асад вряд ли сможет сильно сопротивляться благодетелям в их требованиях согласиться на "мирный процесс".

Назначение Медведева на место Зурабова в будущем сговоре по Сирии - это самый высший уровень, который вообще возможен. Понятно, что Путин по статусу не может быть переговорщиком, да и не будут с ним иметь дело американцы - они в том числе и поэтому не участвуют в минских и нормандских форматах. А вот Медведев - это очень высокий формальный уровень, да и доказал Дмитрий Анатольевич свою способность сдавать, не вздрогнув, союзников. Он сдал Ливию - намек более чем прозрачный.


The whole war in Syria - is an attempt to force the West offended again start to deal with the Kremlin. The logic is very clear: if we accept for the new partner, all previous pranks somehow, but softened. Therefore, the Syrian army is now being driven in a suicide attack unprepared, backing its Russian "volunteers." The meaning is the same as in the Donbas - even the most capable of the final will be knocked out, while Assad is unlikely to strongly resist benefactors in their demands to agree to a "peace process".

Appointment Medvedev Zurabov in place in the future conspiracy against Syria - is the highest level, which is generally possible. It is clear that Putin status can not be a negotiator, and will not have to deal with it, Americans - they are including and therefore does not participate in the Minsk and Norman formats. But Medvedev - is very high formal level, and has proven its ability to Dmitry Anatolyevich take without wincing allies. He handed over to Libya - a hint more than clear.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If just a few hundred thousand people from the aforementioned minorities go to Syria, it would be a success.

A Sunni is a Sunni is a Sunni. Every Sunni is a potential terrorist, no matter how moderate, educated or whatever he seems. Most Jihadis from Europe are from moderate, middle class families.  In Nasserist Egypt in '50s-'60s you had Sunni girls who wore miniskirts and high heels and listened to the Beattles while in 2011 their granddaughters wore burqas and shouted "death to Mubarak" on the Tahrir Square. Change can and does happen.

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

gullible Kremlin stooges.
Russia doesn't have a policy for Syria, it changes by the day if you care to read their different statements.  That's why Syria is in this situation in the first place.

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

gullible Kremlin stooges.
Russia doesn't have a policy for Syria, it changes by the day if you care to read their different statements.  That's why Syria is in this situation in the first place.

Cyberspec wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

gullible Kremlin stooges.
Russia doesn't have a policy for Syria, it changes by the day if you care to read their different statements.  That's why Syria is in this situation in the first place.

Not that I'm a fan of Medvedev, but Russian policy in regards to Syria hasn't really changed from the start. The final outcome to be a peace agreement between the government and legitimate opposition

Cyberspec wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

gullible Kremlin stooges.
Russia doesn't have a policy for Syria, it changes by the day if you care to read their different statements.  That's why Syria is in this situation in the first place.

Not that I'm a fan of Medvedev, but Russian policy in regards to Syria hasn't really changed from the start. The final outcome to be a peace agreement between the government and legitimate opposition

Monarchist wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

gullible Kremlin stooges.
Russia doesn't have a policy for Syria, it changes by the day if you care to read their different statements.  That's why Syria is in this situation in the first place.

Not that I'm a fan of Medvedev, but Russian policy in regards to Syria hasn't really changed from the start. The final outcome to be a peace agreement between the government and legitimate opposition

They say time and time again that they dont support Bashar Al-Assad. Everything else is irrelevant in my book. What legitimate opposition? Al-sham, jabhat al-nusra? FSA? Tell me which group.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

ultron wrote:What Medvedev said is Russia does not necessarily need Assad as president of Syria. Assad can be replaced by another pro Russia guy in Syria. This has been Russian policy since day 1.

gullible Kremlin stooges.
Russia doesn't have a policy for Syria, it changes by the day if you care to read their different statements.  That's why Syria is in this situation in the first place.

Not that I'm a fan of Medvedev, but Russian policy in regards to Syria hasn't really changed from the start. The final outcome to be a peace agreement between the government and legitimate opposition

They say time and time again that they dont support Bashar Al-Assad. Everything else is irrelevant in my book. What legitimate opposition? Al-sham, jabhat al-nusra? FSA? Tell me which group.

Oh jesus there he goes again running his mouth.

В ходе интенсивных контактов с Дамаском, международными и региональными партнерами мы четко обозначаем и подчеркиваем безальтернативность политического урегулирования сирийского кризиса через широкий межсирийский диалог на основе Женевского коммюнике от 30 июня 2012 г.
Обращу ваше внимание на еще один очень интересный тезис, о котором нам все время говорят и который все время вменяют нам в качестве некой вины. Мы все время слышим заявления, что Россия не должна поддерживать Б.Асада, потому что именно он является причиной роста террористической активности в Сирии. Мы уже давно говорим, что не поддерживаем Б.Асада, а для нас важно сохранить сирийскую государственность"


During intensive contacts with Damascus, international and regional partners, we are clearly identified and stress the lack of an alternative political settlement of the Syrian crisis through a dialogue based on mezhsiriysky Geneva communiqué of June 30, 2012
Let me draw your attention to another very interesting thesis, which we talk all the time and all the time that is imputed to us as a kind of guilt. All the time we hear statements that Russia should not support Assad, because he is the reason for the growth of terrorist activity in Syria. We've been saying for a long time that we do not support al-Assad, and for us it is important to keep the Syrian statehood "

What legitimate opposition?

Everything else is irrelevant in my book

Cyberspec wrote:

What legitimate opposition?

The one that attends the conference...

Everything else is irrelevant in my book

Most of what you say is irrelevant "in my book" as well....your kind are the same crap as the so called liberal oppostion in Russia....different sides of the same coin but both equally irrelevant in practice....state policy and geopolitics decided  at the antikvariat forum...god allmighty

Monarchist wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

What legitimate opposition?

The one that attends the conference...

Everything else is irrelevant in my book

Most of what you say is irrelevant "in my book" as well....your kind are the same crap as the so called liberal oppostion in Russia....different sides of the same coin but both equally irrelevant in practice....state policy and geopolitics decided  at the antikvariat forum...god allmighty

Putin himself , Medvedev and most of the Kremlin are self-proclaimed liberals, the same fa**** as those in the so called opposition. There is no difference between them. Real russian (russkie) opposition is either in jail, dead or in the basements.

Monarchist wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

What legitimate opposition?

The one that attends the conference...

Everything else is irrelevant in my book

Most of what you say is irrelevant "in my book" as well....your kind are the same crap as the so called liberal oppostion in Russia....different sides of the same coin but both equally irrelevant in practice....state policy and geopolitics decided  at the antikvariat forum...god allmighty

Putin himself , Medvedev and most of the Kremlin are self-proclaimed liberals, the same fa**** as those in the so called opposition. There is no difference between them. Real russian (russkie) opposition is either in jail, dead or in the basements.

Werewolf wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

What legitimate opposition?

The one that attends the conference...

Everything else is irrelevant in my book

Most of what you say is irrelevant "in my book" as well....your kind are the same crap as the so called liberal oppostion in Russia....different sides of the same coin but both equally irrelevant in practice....state policy and geopolitics decided  at the antikvariat forum...god allmighty

Putin himself , Medvedev and most of the Kremlin are self-proclaimed liberals, the same fa**** as those in the so called opposition. There is no difference between them. Real russian (russkie) opposition is either in jail, dead or in the basements.

Lol, how the heck is Putin a Liberal?

An orthodox christian, that has through and through centralistic policy along with conservative line how is that liberal? Is he calling for incest, pedophilia, to sell out all resources, loved by the west like all liberals? No. so get lost you troll.

Seriously why is Vlad not purging this forum from Alterego accounts already. That is most obvious alterego's on here that are nothing else but trolling, violation against forum rules and just annoying.

Monarchist wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

What legitimate opposition?

The one that attends the conference...

Everything else is irrelevant in my book

Most of what you say is irrelevant "in my book" as well....your kind are the same crap as the so called liberal oppostion in Russia....different sides of the same coin but both equally irrelevant in practice....state policy and geopolitics decided  at the antikvariat forum...god allmighty

Putin himself , Medvedev and most of the Kremlin are self-proclaimed liberals, the same fa**** as those in the so called opposition. There is no difference between them. Real russian (russkie) opposition is either in jail, dead or in the basements.

Lol, how the heck is Putin a Liberal?

An orthodox christian, that has through and through centralistic policy along with conservative line how is that liberal? Is he calling for incest, pedophilia, to sell out all resources, loved by the west like all liberals? No. so get lost you troll.

Seriously why is Vlad not purging this forum from Alterego accounts already. That is most obvious alterego's on here that are nothing else but trolling, violation against forum rules and just annoying.

I'm the same guy that posted on mp.net under the same nick. I signed up here because I thought it would be a place where people could express their opinion without being banned, posting different sources etc. I didn't sign up to a "United Russia" forum or V. Putin fan forum.
I've told people here I've go no other accounts the admins are free to ban me if I'm lying. How in the hell am I trolling?! For posting something different and answering to people that quote me.

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