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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

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    Post  Guest Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:15 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Actually it's the Su-30SM that's on air patrol, not the Su-35.

    good correction, thanx man. i forgot for a moment the small "wings" on the front of the main wings and its other characteristic features.

    They are basically canards, just placed behind cockpit.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:40 am


    Shoddy source but like the title...

    End of ISIS near? Caliphate so depleted it is recruiting disabled CHILDREN to killing army

    DESPERATE Islamic State (ISIS) is forcing ever younger children to fight for it as it slides closer and closer to an all out defeat, a retired army leader has said


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/613583/Islamic-State-ISIS-child-soldiers-Putin-Russian-airstrikes-defeat
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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Shoddy source but like the title...

    End of ISIS near? Caliphate so depleted it is recruiting disabled CHILDREN to killing army

    DESPERATE Islamic State (ISIS) is forcing ever younger children to fight for it as it slides closer and closer to an all out defeat, a retired army leader has said


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/613583/Islamic-State-ISIS-child-soldiers-Putin-Russian-airstrikes-defeat

    Well as long as ISIS Still control oil wells... It can still recruits ppl and buy weapons. So it won't go down that easily.

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    Post  ult Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:27 am

    cracker wrote:ok thanks for answers.

    I just feel that there is a gap between "overkill" (expensive to fly) SU-24 and the "fixed-wing HIND" SU-25, and that using SU-17 or Mig-27 instead for most missions would be cheaper.

    I hope syrian air force will be rebuilt and even improved.

    what is the current status? What planes (for cheap) should syrian AF receive from russia? I feel that SU-17 and MiG-27 (which they have already in forms of SU-22 and Mig-23 strike variant) should be given in mass.

    It's true that SYAF got 6 mig-31? i feel it's bullshit, also, what could they do with it?? this type of interceptor has no use in such a small country, and it's along way before syrian tactics and pilots can possibly use the mig-31 to its real potential


    Poland keeps a big number of SU-22M4 in service, it must be a decent enough plane. I mean, it's a great plane, poland seems satisfied with it (though one wonders what they could possibly do with it against their fantasy of russian invasion)


    So we are at what, about 800 total air sorties for the russians so far? And not a single malfunction, loss, or accident? pretty decent! Only with some 30 aircrafts!

    And it's gonna be even more cheaper to fly Il-2's. What the hell dude? Su-17, Mig-27? And who's gonna fly those things? As a Russian I am deeply offended by your suggestion to risk pilot's lives to save a few bucks. Who the hell do you think we are???
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:43 am

    The Su-22 would be useful for the SyAF since they're already using them and are familiar with them. Some of the former Soviet states, I think Turkmenistan, has a shit load of them just sitting around at some air field....they would need to be overhauled obviously but it wouldn't cost a fortune to get a squadron or two airworthy
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:27 am



    Meanwhile after Russia show of force in Syria and cruise missile attack..
    NATO response was trident juncture 2015 ,major military exercises since world war 2,
    to show how they are ready to counter Russia with their invasion. lol1

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=286_1445376597



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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:08 am

    You can't get away with just using cheap semi expendable aircraft.

    Very simply the aircraft the Russians are using are not basic simple cheap aircraft... they have had lots of upgrades from the original models and include sophisticated optics and bomb aiming systems to allow the use of unguided bombs with reasonable accuracy (for area targets) and precision weapons very accurately (for point targets).

    If you are bombing an ammo or fuel depot then a cluster of 4 or more unguided bombs will ensure even a well spread out store of weapons and or fuel can be hit and effectively destroyed.

    In comparison when the target is a bunker or specific building a few square metres with concrete and steel rod reinforcement then just one bomb is needed but it needs to be accurate... so satellite guidance and laser terminal homing would allow good enough precision.

    Against an area target precision is not as important as distribution of HE and fragments, but some accuracy is always needed to get bombs on target.

    Against point targets a single bomb should get the job done and the better the accuracy the more effectively it can do the job.

    An Su-22 or MiG-27 in their upgraded forms... ie MiG-27K or MiG-27M, and the Su-22M4 could carry guided bombs and unguided bombs though they would need a Gefest & T upgrade to get the necessary accuracy with dumb bombs... but at the end of the day a MiG-29SMT, MiG-29M2 or Su-27SM would make rather more sense. Both economic and in practical terms of keeping good pilots alive for future missions.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:35 pm

    Stuff in Novorossiysk, soon to be delivered to Syria: thumbsup
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    Post  ult Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:51 pm

    Old pics. Have already been delivered.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:44 pm


    Sorties/Targets hit:
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    As for other graphs, someone could translate... study
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    Провинция
    Суток ударов
    Идлиб 16
    Хама 14
    Алеппо 12
    Латакия 11
    Дамаск 9
    Ракка 8
    Дэйр-Эз-Зор 5
    Хомс 4

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1537905.html
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    Post  ult Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    As for other graphs, someone could translate... study
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    Types of targets:

    Blue - command centers.

    Orange - positions.

    Gray - training camps.

    Purple - storage/workshops.

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    Post  Guest Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    As for other graphs, someone could translate... study

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    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1537905.html

    Type of targets: command centers, manpower on frontline-positions, training camps, storages.
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    Nice video of 3 SU25s flying in formation over abal Al Zawiya, Idlib.
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    Post  ult Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:49 pm

    Solntsepek in Latakia province.



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:21 pm

    It's almost time for the MOD's to create another thread.
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    Post  BKP Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:01 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Meanwhile after Russia show of force in Syria and cruise missile attack..
    NATO response was  trident juncture 2015 ,major military exercises since world war 2,
    to show how they are ready to counter Russia with their invasion.  lol1

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=286_1445376597

    "Trident juncture"... The titles NATO comes up for these things always make me LOL. It's like they tasked some junior ROTC/avid comic book reader with inventing "cool"-sounding names for everything, but it just ends up sounding cornyyy.
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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:14 pm

    Important battle brewing in northern Hama: Jabhat Al-Nusra attacks the strategic city of Al-Si'in


    Russian Air Force helps thrust the Syrian Army deeper in the Damascus countryside; Harasta Industrial Area targeted
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    Post  ult Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:34 pm

    TOS-1A, Latakia.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:45 pm

    That is a lot of TOS-1A rounds fired. Counting the rounds in each salvo shows that the video in the last thread is different to this new video. We don't know if this was multiple attempts to hit a target or multiple targets, just that they were all aimed at what seems to be the same hillside.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:56 pm

    I've seen other thermobaric blasts and they look more like conventional explosions. Is it just me or did this TOS-1 look like it used white phosphorus warheads?
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    Post  ult Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:12 pm

    Russian MoD wrote: Today, journalists of foreign media have received an opportunity to familiarize themselves with everyday work of the Russian Aerospace Force aviation group at the Hmeymim airbase in Syria. For the first time they could see the living conditions of the Russian servicemen and feel the atmosphere of preparation for combat task performance of in the sky of Syria aimed at destruction of the ‪#‎ISIS‬ infrastructure.

    In the course of the last 24 hours, aircraft of the Russian air group have continued making pinpoint strikes against terrorist infrastructural facilities in the Syrian Arab Republic.

    For the last 24 hours, the Russian Su-34, Su-24M, Su-25SM aircraft performed 53 combat sorties engaging 72 terrorist facilities in the ‪#‎Hama‬, ‪#‎Idlib‬, ‪#‎Lattakia‬, ‪#‎Damascus‬, ‪#‎Aleppo‬ and Deir ez-Zor provinces.
    The effectiveness of engagement of the terrorist infrastructures by the Russian aircraft has considerably increased. Earlier the Russian aircraft worked mainly in pairs, but now due to good knowledge of the combat area the aircraft eliminate two or more targets individually in the course of one sortie.

    Commenting on the claims of the Pentagon representative Colonel Steven Warren concerning the assessment of the activities of the Russian aviation in the Syrian Arab Republic, it should be mentioned that the Russian unmanned aerial vehicles detect considerable increase in the number of targets of the ISIS terrorist grouping.

    ISIS leaders are projecting manpower reinforcements to combat areas from Raqqah and Iraq territories. They are also taking efforts to direct maneuvering automobile caravans with weapons and ammunition to the contact line with the Syrian Armed Forces.

    Therefore, explanations of the Pentagon representatives concerning sharp flight decrease caused by “no target detection” in Syria are more than just strange.
    Airy dreams of Colonel Steven Warren concerning using cluster munitions by the Russian aviation in “inhabited areas” of Syria are absurd.
    It appears that the American colleagues have not established their aims in the announced war against the ISIS terrorist organization.
    This may be why the terrorists feel comfortable a year after the start of the anti-ISIS coalition’s operations.

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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:16 pm

    ult wrote:
    Russian MoD wrote: Today, journalists of foreign media have received an opportunity to familiarize themselves with everyday work of the Russian Aerospace Force aviation group at the Hmeymim airbase in Syria. For the first time they could see the living conditions of the Russian servicemen and feel the atmosphere of preparation for combat task performance of in the sky of Syria aimed at destruction of the ‪#‎ISIS‬ infrastructure.

    In the course of the last 24 hours, aircraft of the Russian air group have continued making pinpoint strikes against terrorist infrastructural facilities in the Syrian Arab Republic.

    For the last 24 hours, the Russian Su-34, Su-24M, Su-25SM aircraft performed 53 combat sorties engaging 72 terrorist facilities in the ‪#‎Hama‬, ‪#‎Idlib‬, ‪#‎Lattakia‬, ‪#‎Damascus‬, ‪#‎Aleppo‬ and Deir ez-Zor provinces.
    The effectiveness of engagement of the terrorist infrastructures by the Russian aircraft has considerably increased. Earlier the Russian aircraft worked mainly in pairs, but now due to good knowledge of the combat area the aircraft eliminate two or more targets individually in the course of one sortie.

    Commenting on the claims of the Pentagon representative Colonel Steven Warren concerning the assessment of the activities of the Russian aviation in the Syrian Arab Republic, it should be mentioned that the Russian unmanned aerial vehicles detect considerable increase in the number of targets of the ISIS terrorist grouping.

    ISIS leaders are projecting manpower reinforcements to combat areas from Raqqah and Iraq territories. They are also taking efforts to direct maneuvering automobile caravans with weapons and ammunition to the contact line with the Syrian Armed Forces.

    Therefore, explanations of the Pentagon representatives concerning sharp flight decrease caused by “no target detection” in Syria are more than just strange.
    Airy dreams of Colonel Steven Warren concerning using cluster munitions by the Russian aviation in “inhabited areas” of Syria are absurd.
    It appears that the American colleagues have not established their aims in the announced war against the ISIS terrorist organization.
    This may be why the terrorists feel comfortable a year after the start of the anti-ISIS coalition’s operations.

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