Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Map of Russian originating aircraft involved and their bases.

Interestingly, during their transit across Middle East, the Russian strategic bombers were escorted by Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force F-14 Tomcat, Mig-29 Fulcrum and F-4 Phantom jets whose prior mission to visually observe activity of Russian bombers inside the Iranian airspace, from their entry point to the exit point.

Military aviation historian and journalist Babak Taghvaee has prepared an interesting infographic that provides lots of details about the Russian strategic bombers missions to Syria as well as about the Iranian chase planes.

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Infographic-Russian-air-strikes-in-Syria.jpg

Whole article at http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/21/infographic-russian-strategic-bombers-syria/

There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  

PapaDragon wrote:

Acheron wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Stealth kh-101


So Russia gave her latest stealth technology to Iran
Thanks Russia

I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon

1) If a missile "pancakes", that't the shape you would expect it to have.
2) I am sure that there is an agreement with Iran that all crashed objects are to be given back -> Iranian specialists are free to photograph it and examine, but it will most likely make its way back to Russia.
3) Iranian specialists should prioritise work on aerial delivery vehicles for cruise missiles like Kh-55 and Kh-101, rather than the missiles themselves -> the state of the airforce is a major glaring deficiency (amongst others) of Iranian military.

This is rear half of the missile, where is the rest of it? If it had crashed there would either be wreckage of warhead or Shackleton sized crater over there. And isn't warhead supposed to detach from the carrier at some point?


Also, good to see you Acheron, where have you been for the past year?

Well, if we are to believe that this missile crashed in Iran, then it is quite likely that the relevant authorities removed the warhead and other sensitive elements before leaking the photograph to satisfy nosy reporters. A lack of crater or a trailing depression in the soil might indicate that the turbo-fan engine refused to start and the missile fell to earth with very little forward velocity (due to air friction slowing it down throughout its fall).
Also, if Kh-55/Kh-101 is similar to Tomahawk, then I do not think that the warhead is supposed to detach prior to impact. In order for the warhead to detach, there should be some sort of mechanism (engine nozzles or some kind of control surfaces) in the forward section near to the warhead in order to allow for trajectory corrections in the terminal phase. Looking at the various Tomahawk variants, such mechanism do not appear to be in place: http://www.ausairpower.net/Tomahawk-Subtypes.html
Also, images of a Tomahawk prior to impact shows it to be intact and whole:

PS: I visit and read russiadefence and themess (where I am known as "Aradan") quite regularly, but prefer to remain in lurker mode due to work-related time constraints and newly-developed hesitance to participate in flame wars. I once spent half a night mired in conversation with the well-known Polan *****!11 troll Asheren; time that I will sadly never get back. However, I learnt from my mistakes

Sultan Erdogan be pissing gasoline...

With Russian Support, Syrian Army Advancing Toward Turkish Border

The Syrian regular army and the National Defense Forces (NDF) militia have taken advantage of a recent large-scale campaign of airstrikes by the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces against terrorist hideouts in the northwestern province of Latakia, taking control of the Zahia Heights, just 2 km from the Turkish border, Fars News Agency reports.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151122/1030552490/syrian-army-advance-latakia.html

Syrian sources in the region told the news agency that Army units have captured the Zahia Heights, a strategically important mountainous area near the town of Rabia, while making "major advances" in other parts of the province, over the past three days, assisted by last week's intensified campaign of airstrikes by the Russian air contingent operating in the country.

The combined efforts of the Syrian Army and the NDF have resulted in the destruction of several bands of militants, together with their commanders, while damaging command and control centers and destroying the terrorists' military hardware.

The territories in the north of Latakia are predominantly controlled by the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group, also known as Al-Qaeda's Syrian branch.

Militants from Jabhat al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army, which is also believed to be operating in the area, are reported to have withdrawn from the al-Zahi Mountains and the town of Burj al-Zahi, with over two dozen militants killed.

Meanwhile, Syrian Air Force planes have intensified their own campaign of air attacks in militant strongholds in the province, hitting positions in Dweir al-Akrad, al-Sheikh Yousef, Jabal al-Katf and Jabal Abu Hiddo, killing dozens of militants.

Syrian sources also told Fars that Syrian troops have killed Zakaria Abdullah, a prominent al-Nusra commander based in the province.

Elsewhere in northern Syria, in the nearby Idlib governate, troops from the SAA and the NDF are advancing toward the town of Jisr al-Shughur, located about 12 km from the Turkish border. The city is said to be controlled by a loose alliance of Islamist insurgents including Al-Nusra and the Ahrar al-Sham jihadist group.

There wasnt. The claims came from US and they couldnt stay consistant, Ashton was fumbling with his statement when asked.  The rest like police cover up is this Iranian members bullshit claim as there wasnt any photographs of it, for 4 missiles yet photos for 1. It is easier to cover up 1 than 4.

The authorities in Iran did stay consistent though in saying that there was no crash of a cruise missile of any sort.  Consistency is key here. Lack of evidence is also another.

kvs wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  

The clown on the right is yet another liberast 5th columnist serving her NATO masters well.   Russia is
so oppressed that specimens like this are allowed to run free and do whatever they want.   In the USA
she would have been offed by some uber-patriot a long time ago.  

That screencap can't be real, did CNN seriously air this BS? That would be most epic of fails even by their standards. Does anyone have original clip?

sepheronx wrote:

The authorities in Iran did stay consistent though in saying that there was no crash of a cruise missile of any sort.  Consistency is key here. Lack of evidence is also another.

And now IR authorities are using the same type of cover up again...
The difference is this time some guy with his mobile phone takes some picture and then shared it

Commander Says Drone That Crashed on Friday Was Iranian
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940901001424

We still haven't seen two things:

1) On-board footage from RU helicopters operating in Syria.

2) Any footage related to Russian UAVs in Syria (no drones, no crews, no maintenance, no airbase, no control rooms, nothing...)

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

The authorities in Iran did stay consistent though in saying that there was no crash of a cruise missile of any sort.  Consistency is key here. Lack of evidence is also another.

And now IR authorities are using the same type of cover up again...
The difference is this time some guy with his mobile phone takes some picture and then shared it

Commander Says Drone That Crashed on Friday Was Iranian
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940901001424

So then where are the 4 other missiles? If Iranian authorities are too incompetent to hide 1, then how did they manage to hide 4 and how come Ashton Carter fumbled with his claims if they were true?
A picture speaks a thousand words. Statements are just statements and claims. Till you show us the other 4 claimed, this is the first cruise missile to fail.

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Some cruise missiles will crash....so far they've only been 2 incidents that we know of, which is pretty good.

The first one a few weeks ago was debatable but this one looks legit...no need to attack each other over it

Exactly , That's normal for man made Machines , that's the point i'm trying to make
but our comrades here in russiadefence  are getting to much angry at me

Normal Bullshit..

You have provided no EVIDENCE that 4 cruise missiles crashed in IRAN in the first attack from caspian sea and you hold on that as if was a fact still today. Where is the evidence? Ambiguous press reports of local media is not evidence of anything.. show us the photos and we can end this argument.. if you have no solid evidence other than NOTHING , then stop making claims about Russian missiles crash. Evidence or stop claiming things you have nothing to proof it.  You also posted wrong information an outdated map of the progress of Russia in Syria,shows how little you care about providing real information, so far your post have been mostly misleading until now.. so warn people about any of your claims have to be double checked at least. It looks as if you are on a mission to downplay Russia technology or progress in Syria.

and by the way.. one of the most advanved American stealth drone RQ-170,that was hacked by IRAN.. and largely propagandized by Iranian media , did not mentioned how Russia technology played the key role in capturing it.  It was not iranian technology who did it..

So far we have one photo that appears to be real of one potential soviet cruise missile that crashed somewhere in some place in the world.. not yet proof it was IRAN.. but still is good information. Could have been auto destroyed after deviating from the correct course ,all should have that security measure ,That still is far from the 4 cruise missiles you claimed Russia lost in one day.

and yes all technology human made ,drones and cruise missiles fails at times..
but please next time ,stop claiming things as a fact when you have no real evidence ..
circumstantial events of noises ,unverified media reports or strange objects ,fire balls that fall from the sky, anonymous sources is not evidence .Thanks

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:

ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  

The clown on the right is yet another liberast 5th columnist serving her NATO masters well.   Russia is
so oppressed that specimens like this are allowed to run free and do whatever they want.   In the USA
she would have been offed by some uber-patriot a long time ago.  

That screencap can't be real, did CNN seriously air this BS? That would be most epic of fails even by their standards. Does anyone have original clip?

Thankfully, they didn't. Look at the text. You can see it has been edited.

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