Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

Neutrality wrote:

zg18 wrote:
In fact - almost yes, Ukrainian crews were their professional tankman not some conscripts, commander was very professional & open about his experience and never actually said it was T-90A but it`s no brainer if a single tank wrecks havoc on whole tank unit, this is only possible with technological superiority on battlefield. T-90A only fits the bill.

Yeah or it could have been Armata if we use that kind of logic

It was most likely a T-72B3 because the B3 modification was chosen by the MOD to bring all the outdated T-72 models up to T-90 standards.

Unfortunatley it is not on the same standards not even on T-90 (1992) standards and like several times discussed by critics of that programm they should have gone for a total T-90A program and not a relative half assed upgrade.

JohninMK wrote:

Vann7 wrote:BAck to Syria.. is highy likely that Russia will use Ground troops /volunteers from Donetsk
to give a hand in Aleppo and or idlib.. is too important to get those zones for the security
of the Russian base.  I don't think the Russia military will have their 2,000 troops bored
doing nothing asking for action..  they can get 300-500 troops and of those and give a hand to
the Syrian army in operations close to the base.

If US is desperate they can supply the Rebels with NATO Rocket missiles with 200km range.
Russia cannot sit down and just wait their enemies to pull another stunt.. Syrian army for example was bombed not long ago by a "Rebel Pilot"  supposedly "defector" using
a soviet plane mig plane "captured" from Assad.. In reality planes supplied by US and Turkey to the Rebels fly from Turkey and do suicide missions on Syria using planes.. 100% a possible
they could try that..

Got to give you 10/10 for your vivid imagination.

Noway anyone capable of handling arms is going to be leaving Donetsk for a while yet.

US MLRS is a different ball game to anything ISIS have and that ain't gonna happen. Same as a suicide plane, there is proper radar coverage now with Su-30SM carrying AAM, again no.

The real danger is and so far, thank goodness, the ISIS arms merchants have not got MANPADs. This must be intentional. Russia must have said something about the potential result of such an event.

Hit the nail on the head right there, I think MANPADS will be a no-show in this conflict no matter how much noise and crying we hear from the sheiks and their poodles...

Also Vann, easy on the fantasy please.

PapaDragon wrote:

Also Vann, easy on the fantasy please.

Is not fantasy.. i read Syria 24 news ,pro Government sites and Syrianperspective
and there is all kind of tricks the Rebels or the Syrian army use.  Week ago there was a
report of  mig plane that bombed the Syrian army. The Rebel pro sites claimed it was
a Rebel with a captured mig from a Syrian base that they repaired.
It was a big lie ,NATO attack at times the Syrian army positions and later claim it was a
"rebel pilot" who "Defected".


And longer time ago , Turkey pilots were arrested that infiltrated a Syrian Army airforce base close to Turkey border,with the help of terrorist trying to hijack a Syrian plane. And later use the plane to bypass Syrian Airforce security and air defenses..because will have been seen as friend plane.. the plan did not worked..and they arrested before could use any plane.   

There is a real war in Syria between US and its coalitions vs Syria and Russia ,by proxy ,and both are pretending they are not fighting each other to avoid world war 3... and the tactics the terrorist are using are the same ones US and its coalition will use if they were in a war . The fact that ISIS is running an economy in Raqqa and running a multibillionaire business selling oil for 2 years with 40 nations world wide buying it..making millions each week, should give you a hint ,how much help they receive.  Mustard Gas Russia reported days ago ISIS was using.. all those things comes from US and its allies that are helping them big time. it cannot come from ISIS playing with sand in the middle of a battle field. .So means that Russia needs to be prepared for any extreme unthinkable thing.. did i mention Russia told recently Rebels are using Mustard Gas?. Something that did not come from Syrian government since they gave up all their chemical weapons?. Is a major undercover world war 3 by proxy what happens in Syria and who is leading ISIS war ,their movements and logistics is US/NATO commanders with experience in military warfare. So Russia and Syrian army needs to be prepared for the unthinkable..
Chemical weapons , or dirty weapons or biological weapons.. is after all an American proxy war against Russia. and they becoming very dangerous and desperate. The RUssian plane attack in Sinai should give you an idea how desperate they are.

Werewolf wrote:

zg18 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Ukraine (a platoon at least) and Two in Chechnya. Ukrainians still try not to cry about it at night, then go and change diapers.

Yeah, Ukrainian tank commander said on video he lost 7 tanks in 5 minutes against single tank in skirmish south of Lugansk.

And that counts as proof that it was a T-90A?

There was also a picture of a Polite T-90A on the move in a location that was confirmed to be in the Lugansk Oblast. I posted it on this forum and I should go dig it up. That's why we all jumped to the conclusion that it was a Polite T-90A that blew out those Ukrop tanks (some were Bulats I believe?).

Anywho, I guess it is time to make sure I am stocked up on popcorn. With the developments near Aleppo, I won't be surprised if it gets 'windy' there soon.

Recently delivered T-27B photoed in Maheen today

zg18 wrote:Recently delivered T-27B photoed in Maheen today

That selfie was taken by al-mayadeen reporter Tarek Ali, here's his post with the same pic.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1098129676878450&set=a.613306125360810.1073741824.100000442839286&type=3

zg18 wrote:

Werewolf wrote:And that counts as proof that it was a T-90A?

In fact - almost yes, Ukrainian crews were their professional tankman not some conscripts, commander was very professional & open about his experience and never actually said it was T-90A but it`s no brainer if a single tank wrecks havoc on whole tank unit, this is only possible with technological superiority on battlefield. T-90A only fits the bill.

Could someone please provide a link to this Ukrainian tank commander?
I would like to watch or read about this.

Thanks.

x_54_u43 wrote:Could someone please provide a link to this Ukrainian tank commander?
I would like to watch or read about this.

Thanks.

Here you go

http://gurkhan.blogspot.hr/2014/09/72-64.html

It starts from 00:43 sec. , : "There was a case in Novosvyetlovka, one Russian tank (literally) in only five minutes destroyed our 6 tanks"

zg18 wrote:

x_54_u43 wrote:Could someone please provide a link to this Ukrainian tank commander?
I would like to watch or read about this.

Thanks.

Here you go

http://gurkhan.blogspot.hr/2014/09/72-64.html

It starts from 00:43 sec. , : "There was a case in Novosvyetlovka, one Russian tank (literally) in only five minutes destroyed our 6 tanks"

Thanks for the video, any idea what unit the T-90s may belong to? olive color probably belongs to a specific unit?

Neutrality wrote:

zg18 wrote:
In fact - almost yes, Ukrainian crews were their professional tankman not some conscripts, commander was very professional & open about his experience and never actually said it was T-90A but it`s no brainer if a single tank wrecks havoc on whole tank unit, this is only possible with technological superiority on battlefield. T-90A only fits the bill.

Yeah or it could have been Armata if we use that kind of logic

It was most likely a T-72B3 because the B3 modification was chosen by the MOD to bring all the outdated T-72 models up to T-90 standards.

Yes, yes, T72B3, FFS guys stop being in denial, it was a whole HQ platoon of T90, that obliterated the Izvarino-Luhansk axis, they started screening the area settlement by settlement in RT. As there is no BMS on the T72B3 and no BMS on the "normal" T90's, (the presence of HQ platoon, would indeed indicate a commanding tank with BMS) that would have taken ages not 2 hours. I'm in bewilderment in front of these "rebutals". The facts on the ground are that some guys from Dagestan, equipped with T90A's ripped though the M04 and gave collective PTSD to the whole ATO. The other guys, with T72B3 weren't bad either but the difference in them vs the T-90A was clear, those tanks were engaged in ambushes, something the T-90A's were not, this while working through the same adverse circumstances. That's the difference, the cohesion of the tank forces was good, but done better with a real time tool, something NOT available in the T72B3.

Also the captured T72B3 were equipped with baseline 3BM26 sabot, the old 64 sent were even spotted with 3BM15. A chunk of the tank to tank hits along M04 were done with superior penetrators according to the Ukes AND the images on LostArmour. So please I know there's this cognitive dissonance about Russians not being there, but stay on the ideologic lane and let us normal, levelheaded guys see things for what they are.

There's a chunk of evidence that Russia went full Apocalypse on ATO.

Breaking news.. TUrkey is reporting that shutdown a warplane near turkey border..

https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/


The bastards are saying that they shot it down because it "invaded Turkey airspace"
but the plane crashed in Syria.. apparently the pilot eject..
It looks like was a sukhoi plane... it could be from a Russian Airforce or Syria airforce.
This is going to be really nasty now.. was matter of time.. And precisely it happens
when France was about to join Russia coalition.. If Russia retaliate turkey ,it could
interrupt the operations against ISIS..

https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/

This bastards needs to be beaten really hard.

Wishfull thinking without evidence that is what it is. T-72B3 were proven others have not. You do understand what evidence is and what speculation is?

look at the briefcase on right side ..... Nuclear football?

By foot ball I suspect you mean American grid iron?

I would suggest it would be better described as the Hockey Puck.

it was well planned.. another thing to look is the date.. before Thanskgiving day..
Turkey shot down a plane.. Hopefully Russia will retaliate heavy to the Bastard Erdogan.
It had to be Russian Airforce.. they are the only ones bombing there.

Syrian Mig-23UB.

Video of the aircraft coming down. As ult has said, consensus seems that it is Syrian Mig-23

ult wrote:Syrian Mig-23UB.

Holy Fvck ult, you calmed me a bit there, it's not a SU-24 profile on that picture, fucking Erdoshit needs fisting.

Apparently there were two parachutes seen from the Aircraft.

Boshoed wrote:Apparently there were two parachutes seen from the Aircraft.

Yes, Mig-23UB is two-seater, 1 engine.

And now they say it was RuAF Su-24. I don't know anymore.

http://ria.ru/syria/20151124/1327401202.html

RT Just updated.

'Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot over Syria - Russian MoD'

Boshoed wrote:RT Just updated.

'Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot over Syria - Russian MoD'

Time to start bombing everything turkish doesn't matter whch border side it is. Arm up kurds and vaporize anything leaving turkey to syria. That is true reason for revenge of those slimy turks then we can see what NATO is really made off big mouths no action.

From RT

'A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was at an altitude of 6,000 meters.

The pilots managed to eject from the downed jet, the ministry said, adding their fate is as yet unknown.'

Apparently it was SU24, however on that video i am almost positive its MiG23.