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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6
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Not too sure about this.ult wrote:
The new airbase, Al-Sha’yarat military airport, being suggested for the RuAF is actually the grey area under the 'No' of 'No Callsign' of EP-TFI the plane to the south. So this track is well to the north, if it is accurate at ground level. Also its runways point towards and away from Homs so the takeoff track looks wrong, but then I don't know again how accurate the tracking is.
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JohninMK wrote:Not too sure about this.
The new airbase, Al-Sha’yarat military airport, being suggested for the RuAF is actually the grey area under the 'No' of 'No Callsign' of EP-TFI the plane to the south. So this track is well to the north, if it is accurate at ground level. Also its runways point towards and away from Homs so the takeoff track looks wrong, but then I don't know again how accurate the tracking is.
I think it just appeared like that because it was too low. Some kind of bug.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ra-82037/#82051af
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Here's the airfield in question.
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=34.493329&lon=36.912861&z=14&m=b&search=homs
The base has numerous hardened shelters, and the closest enemy positions are ~35km away. So it's about the same distance from the front line as Humaymim. Both runways look about ~9,500'.
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=34.493329&lon=36.912861&z=14&m=b&search=homs
The base has numerous hardened shelters, and the closest enemy positions are ~35km away. So it's about the same distance from the front line as Humaymim. Both runways look about ~9,500'.
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A very specialist airbase. Lots of QRA HAS positions and not a lot else. Long runways, no apron, no maintenance hangers and few admin buildings. This looks like a dispersal airfield for rapid launching of many aircraft in quick succession.Zivo wrote:Here's the airfield in question.
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=34.493329&lon=36.912861&z=14&m=b&search=homs
The base has numerous hardened shelters, and the closest enemy positions are ~35km away. So it's about the same distance from the front line as Humaymim. Both runways look about ~9,500'.
Interesting design for fighting from, not for peace.
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Syrian media reports seeing Ka-52's and Mil-28's flying near Humaymim... no confirmations yet. Logical development though on account of the Turkish armor buildup at the border.
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After Putin/Obama 30 minute meet today
Meeting on the sidelines of the Paris climate talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama discussed Syria and the need for a new Syrian constitution and elections.
"We talked about Syria first of all," Putin told journalists following a meeting during the Paris climate talks. "We talked about how, in the near future, the focus of our attentions should be on a list of organizations we believe to be terroristic, and a list of organizations that represent the 'healthy' opposition. "We talked about the tactics of our joint action on this political track, and overall, in my opinion, there is an understanding about where to go from here." The Russian president also spoke of governmental changes needed for ending the fighting in Syria. "If we are talking about the necessity of a political settlement, it is necessary to work on a new constitution, on the new election and on ensuring its results monitoring."
According to Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser to the White House, Obama has "stressed that the US, Russia, Turkey, our allies and partners in the Arab world, and Iran, must negotiate." Speaking to reporters, Rhodes said "this is a direction in which we can work together."
During the summit, President Putin also stressed the impossibility of forming an effective anti-terror coalition so long as some parties use terrorist organizations to their own advantage. "Now, as for the creation of a broad coalition against terrorism. You know that I spoke about this at the 70th anniversary session of the UN General Assembly. We are always in favor of this, but it is impossible while some use terrorist groups to reach short-term political goals."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151130/1031014817/putin-obama-common-understanding-syria.html#ixzz3t0iKy4kp
Meeting on the sidelines of the Paris climate talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama discussed Syria and the need for a new Syrian constitution and elections.
"We talked about Syria first of all," Putin told journalists following a meeting during the Paris climate talks. "We talked about how, in the near future, the focus of our attentions should be on a list of organizations we believe to be terroristic, and a list of organizations that represent the 'healthy' opposition. "We talked about the tactics of our joint action on this political track, and overall, in my opinion, there is an understanding about where to go from here." The Russian president also spoke of governmental changes needed for ending the fighting in Syria. "If we are talking about the necessity of a political settlement, it is necessary to work on a new constitution, on the new election and on ensuring its results monitoring."
According to Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser to the White House, Obama has "stressed that the US, Russia, Turkey, our allies and partners in the Arab world, and Iran, must negotiate." Speaking to reporters, Rhodes said "this is a direction in which we can work together."
During the summit, President Putin also stressed the impossibility of forming an effective anti-terror coalition so long as some parties use terrorist organizations to their own advantage. "Now, as for the creation of a broad coalition against terrorism. You know that I spoke about this at the 70th anniversary session of the UN General Assembly. We are always in favor of this, but it is impossible while some use terrorist groups to reach short-term political goals."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151130/1031014817/putin-obama-common-understanding-syria.html#ixzz3t0iKy4kp
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Al-Sha’yarat AB, despite being some distance from Tartous, is actually very close to the highways that connect the two locations.
Logistics won't be too challenging, the AB is close to the M-5, the roads between Sha'yarat and Tartous look good, and aside from the area near homs, is well beyond the front line.
Logistics won't be too challenging, the AB is close to the M-5, the roads between Sha'yarat and Tartous look good, and aside from the area near homs, is well beyond the front line.
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Pin point two bomb attack on Al-Nusra bunker and office block in Saraqeb near Idlib. Goodness knows how the photographer was filming this when it occurred (special forces?) but he caught a really impressive second hit, clearly ammo or probably fuel by the colour. You can see the second bomb come down if you freeze frame step it through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Of3PtGLkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Of3PtGLkY
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6
iraqidabab Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:21 pm
opposition related account said that was a bakery providing bread to people, but that's twitter again. liars.
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Yup I might go with that. The massive explosion was obviously the flour going up. Problem is that for that size of bang there would have to be far bigger flour storage than was apparent before the bomb hit.iraqidabab wrote:opposition related account said that was a bakery providing bread to people, but that's twitter again. liars.
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Looks like it was indeed a bakery but it appears to have been out of action for a while. This was apparently not the first time the RuAF hit it either. Plenty of pictures of it then. Explosion doesn't look like flour, it has been suggested it was the diesel tanks for the ovens but others said it looked too big for that, another said it was a weapons factory.
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/671144795855847424
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Avtomaticheskiy Pistolet Stechkina in hands of the Russian pilot in Syria.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russia can wage an indirect war with Turkey via Kurds - and arms delivery to Kurds is something I have been proposing all along - make sure each time Turkey shells Kurds wanting to take Jarabulus, a barrage of several dozen Tockha-Us hit Turkish positions from Rojava.
Well the Turkish media is reporting that Russian helicopters have delivered supplies to the Kurds at Afrin (North Aleppo area)
http://www.yenisafak.com/dunya/rus-helikopterleri-ypgye-silah-indirdi-2349796
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6
PapaDragon Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:50 pm
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Is that supposed to be white phosphorus?
If yes, I am having that printed out and mounted on the wall...
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6
max steel Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:59 pm
Is it true that The Russian's have entered repeatedly into the Turkish air space and engaged their targeting radars painting Turkish F16s? Because having transponders off when armed and having targeting radars on is a hostile act.
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PapaDragon wrote:Militarov wrote:
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Is that supposed to be white phosphorus?
If yes, I am having that printed out and mounted on the wall...
It should be ZAB-2.5 thermite based incediary submunition.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6
higurashihougi Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:03 am
Su-24 saga: seems like Erdie is quite confident. Does he have any trump cards ?
https://www.rt.com/news/324045-putin-erdogan-su-downing/
https://www.rt.com/news/324045-putin-erdogan-su-downing/
Russia has received additional intelligence confirming that oil from deposits controlled by Islamic State is moved through Turkey on an industrial scale, said Vladimir Putin. President Recep Erdogan said he will resign if this is confirmed.
Moscow has grounds to suspect that the Su-24 was downed by Turkish jets on November 24 to secure illegal oil deliveries from Syria to Turkey, he said speaking on the sidelines of the climate change summit in Paris on Monday.
“At the moment we have received additional information confirming that that oil from the deposits controlled by Islamic State militants enters Turkish territory on industrial scale,” he said.
“We have every reason to believe that the decision to down our plane was guided by a desire to ensure security of this oil’s delivery routes to ports where they are shipped in tankers,” Putin said.
Speaking in Paris on Monday, President Recep Erdogan said that he will leave office if there is proof of Turkey’s cooperation with IS.
“We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it],” he said, as quoted by TASS.
The countries from which Turkey buys oil are “well known,” said Erdogan.
He called on Russia to comment on the US’ recent black-listing of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the World Chess Federation President, accusing him of “materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria.” Erdogan alleged Ilyumzhinov had been dealing with Islamic State oil.
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Russia can start interrupting the Gas supply to Turkey.. lets see who will have to pay more..
And with Egypt help it can blockade anything from Turkey in suez canal. Iran can do the same.
About 50% of Turkey Gas comes from Russia.. if Russia and IRAN cut gas supplies to Turkey
they will have a major economic energy crysis and will need to buy Energy from Far place.
the price of energy could duplicate.
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For Vosporus straits status quo there is this thread: Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits
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I said several days back about the Bosporus and that a naval flotilla should be sent to sail back and forth as a demonstration, and due to Turkish interference with merchant ships, send them thro in convoy with warship as escort. If Turkey did this to American shipping imagine the result, so why should Russia not slam the fist on the table and put a stop to all this crap.
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Sputnik might not be totally correct, Russian military spokesman said today no navy ship problem whilst local media says there is a problem. It could be a merchant ship only issue but there is more in the posts now moved to the other thread.Khepesh wrote:I said several days back about the Bosporus and that a naval flotilla should be sent to sail back and forth as a demonstration, and due to Turkish interference with merchant ships, send them thro in convoy with warship as escort. If Turkey did this to American shipping imagine the result, so why should Russia not slam the fist on the table and put a stop to all this crap.
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With typical German accuracy, first she says "information on where we are flying.............will not be presented to Russia" then "Only who's flying where will be told to Russia"
OK, that's clear then! Brilliant.
BERLIN (Sputnik) – Russia will not receive any flight plans or other information on Germany’s Air Force operating in Syria, German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen said Tuesday.
“I would like to specify once again, images and information on where we’re flying is maintained exclusively by the participants of the [US-led] coalition that I was talking about. These will not be presented to Russia,” von der Leyen said on Germany’s N24 television station.
“Only who’s flying where will be told to Russia in order to avoid collisions,” she added.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151201/1031046342/russia-syria-germany-plans.html#ixzz3t4R3iBRe
OK, that's clear then! Brilliant.
BERLIN (Sputnik) – Russia will not receive any flight plans or other information on Germany’s Air Force operating in Syria, German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen said Tuesday.
“I would like to specify once again, images and information on where we’re flying is maintained exclusively by the participants of the [US-led] coalition that I was talking about. These will not be presented to Russia,” von der Leyen said on Germany’s N24 television station.
“Only who’s flying where will be told to Russia in order to avoid collisions,” she added.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151201/1031046342/russia-syria-germany-plans.html#ixzz3t4R3iBRe
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It is only a problem with merchant ships, but it is outrageous that Turkey should be making these difficulties that would not be tolerated by America. It could be seen as a deliberate humiliation to interfere with Russian ships like this, and needs to be stopped at once. America has done whatever it likes since 1991, kill countless civilians, destroy some countries and cause chaos in others, all while Russia has sat on the sidelines and occasionaly squeaked in protest like a weak and feeble mouse. Enough, if Turkey shoots down VKS and fucks with Russian shipping then the fist comes down and these bastards should be made to shit their pants, and if America complains then fuck them.JohninMK wrote:
Sputnik might not be totally correct, Russian military spokesman said today no navy ship problem whilst local media says there is a problem. It could be a merchant ship only issue but there is more in the posts now moved to the other thread.
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I was getting to that view but had no confirmation. At least a significant part of the Syrian Express is using Navy ships. Now we need some Russian publicity shots of the grain ships that the Turks are stopping getting through to the staving people in the refugee camps in Syria!Khepesh wrote:It is only a problem with merchant ships, but it is outrageous that Turkey should be making these difficulties that would not be tolerated by America. It could be seen as a deliberate humiliation to interfere with Russian ships like this, and needs to be stopped at once. America has done whatever it likes since 1991, kill countless civilians, destroy some countries and cause chaos in others, all while Russia has sat on the sidelines and occasionaly squeaked in protest like a weak and feeble mouse. Enough, if Turkey shoots down VKS and fucks with Russian shipping then the fist comes down and these bastards should be made to shit their pants, and if America complains then fuck them.JohninMK wrote:
Sputnik might not be totally correct, Russian military spokesman said today no navy ship problem whilst local media says there is a problem. It could be a merchant ship only issue but there is more in the posts now moved to the other thread.