Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Claims by Elijah that Russia is supplying the SAA with Shtora equipped T-72's....apparently independent of the T-90's seen in Syria

#Exclusive #Russia delive2r #SAA new T-72 eqpd w TShU-1-7 Shtora1 optronic counter measures system 2disrupt the laser target & incoming ATGM
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/670562417936613376

There is no sense in putting Shtora on a T 72. It hasnt been done till now - we saw Debaltsevo. My guess is - they saw the T90A and they remembered how the turret looks like that of the T72B(?) and confused the two. I am amazed he didnt say it was a 'fully automatic AK 47"

Serbians did just that. But I agree this is just smoke and mirrors.

Actually Serbians placed it on M84A as full package modernisation that was dubbed M2001 later M84AS, there is more than 1000 construction improvements on M84s compared to T72M. Original T72Ms are for long time in reserve now, except 12 i belive that are used for initial tank crew training. My father worked on that project back in early 80s, i mean original M84 not AS.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Claims by Elijah that Russia is supplying the SAA with Shtora equipped T-72's....apparently independent of the T-90's seen in Syria

#Exclusive #Russia delive2r #SAA new T-72 eqpd w TShU-1-7 Shtora1 optronic counter measures system 2disrupt the laser target & incoming ATGM
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/670562417936613376

There is no sense in putting Shtora on a T 72. It hasnt been done till now - we saw Debaltsevo. My guess is - they saw the T90A and they remembered how the turret looks like that of the T72B(?) and confused the two. I am amazed he didnt say it was a 'fully automatic AK 47"

Serbians did just that. But I agree this is just smoke and mirrors.

Actually Serbians placed it on M84A as full package modernisation that was dubbed M2001 later M84AS, there is more than 1000 construction improvements on M84s compared to T72M. Original T72Ms are for long time in reserve now, except 12 i belive that are used for initial tank crew training. My father worked on that project back in early 80s, i mean original M84 not AS.

Didn't you tested the feasability of it with a garage'd Shtora, or have I been lied to? People have told me that the basic testing was done with a barely modified tank and that you were lso proposed Drozd 2 but didn't wanted to alter the m84 turret.

Russians monitoring the illegal passage of turkish trucks into Syria
The Turks have effectively annexed the place...

KiloGolf wrote:Russians monitoring the illegal passage of turkish trucks into Syria
The Turks have effectively annexed the place...

It's been like that almost from the beggining...at least now they're getting hit for the first time

A trip down memory lane...

Young #Erdogan at the feet of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a man on the UN terrorist blacklist
https://twitter.com/marcelsardo/status/670671478115999744

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Claims by Elijah that Russia is supplying the SAA with Shtora equipped T-72's....apparently independent of the T-90's seen in Syria

#Exclusive #Russia delive2r #SAA new T-72 eqpd w TShU-1-7 Shtora1 optronic counter measures system 2disrupt the laser target & incoming ATGM
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/670562417936613376

There is no sense in putting Shtora on a T 72. It hasnt been done till now - we saw Debaltsevo. My guess is - they saw the T90A and they remembered how the turret looks like that of the T72B(?) and confused the two. I am amazed he didnt say it was a 'fully automatic AK 47"

Serbians did just that. But I agree this is just smoke and mirrors.

Actually Serbians placed it on M84A as full package modernisation that was dubbed M2001 later M84AS, there is more than 1000 construction improvements on M84s compared to T72M. Original T72Ms are for long time in reserve now, except 12 i belive that are used for initial tank crew training. My father worked on that project back in early 80s, i mean original M84 not AS.

Didn't you tested the feasability of it with a garage'd Shtora, or have I been lied to? People have told me that the basic testing was done with a barely modified tank and that you were lso proposed Drozd 2 but didn't wanted to alter the m84 turret.

Not sure what you mean by garaged Shtora. From what i am aware what today you can see as M84AS prototype is actually modified M84A, about Drozd-2 i am not sure, but i dont find it very likely.

Yugoimport SDPR made its own separate from M84AS, private funded proposed T72M modernisation, designation of which i do not know from the head but i can find if you are interested which does not have Shtora-1.



There are tho rumons that some of the equipment that was used for presentations of M84AS was borrowed from Russia/Belarus and later returned.

Here you can find "more" about it: http://www.yugoimport.com/cir/proizvodi/t-72-main-battle-tank-upgrade-package

Thx friend.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Claims by Elijah that Russia is supplying the SAA with Shtora equipped T-72's....apparently independent of the T-90's seen in Syria

#Exclusive #Russia delive2r #SAA new T-72 eqpd w TShU-1-7 Shtora1 optronic counter measures system 2disrupt the laser target & incoming ATGM
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/670562417936613376

There is no sense in putting Shtora on a T 72. It hasnt been done till now - we saw Debaltsevo. My guess is - they saw the T90A and they remembered how the turret looks like that of the T72B(?) and confused the two. I am amazed he didnt say it was a 'fully automatic AK 47"

Serbians did just that. But I agree this is just smoke and mirrors.

Actually Serbians placed it on M84A as full package modernisation that was dubbed M2001 later M84AS, there is more than 1000 construction improvements on M84s compared to T72M. Original T72Ms are for long time in reserve now, except 12 i belive that are used for initial tank crew training. My father worked on that project back in early 80s, i mean original M84 not AS.

M84 is an entirely different tank. And M84AS is comparable to the T90 in terms of capability. I heard the Serbians were making a tank analogous to the Armata. Never got more on that except it was tested once and some pictures (drawings).

I keep on seeing videos of FSA using T55s with some box type range finder (any intel on what those are ? who made them ?). Hit and run tactics x 1000. Does the SAA lack ATGMs or what ??

Akula971 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Akula971 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Claims by Elijah that Russia is supplying the SAA with Shtora equipped T-72's....apparently independent of the T-90's seen in Syria

#Exclusive #Russia delive2r #SAA new T-72 eqpd w TShU-1-7 Shtora1 optronic counter measures system 2disrupt the laser target & incoming ATGM
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/670562417936613376

There is no sense in putting Shtora on a T 72. It hasnt been done till now - we saw Debaltsevo. My guess is - they saw the T90A and they remembered how the turret looks like that of the T72B(?) and confused the two. I am amazed he didnt say it was a 'fully automatic AK 47"

Serbians did just that. But I agree this is just smoke and mirrors.

Actually Serbians placed it on M84A as full package modernisation that was dubbed M2001 later M84AS, there is more than 1000 construction improvements on M84s compared to T72M. Original T72Ms are for long time in reserve now, except 12 i belive that are used for initial tank crew training. My father worked on that project back in early 80s, i mean original M84 not AS.

M84 is an entirely different tank. And M84AS is comparable to the T90 in terms of capability. I heard the Serbians were making a tank analogous to the Armata. Never got more on that except it was tested once and some pictures (drawings).

I keep on seeing videos of FSA using T55s with some box type range finder (any intel on what those are ? who made them ?). Hit and run tactics x 1000. Does the SAA lack ATGMs or what ??

Not really entirely different from T72M but with great number of improvements and changes compared to original version delivered by the USSR at the time and documentation obtained, changes are very significant especially when you look at M84A.

Ah, that story about new Serbian tank is however a hoax, some journalists picked story and few nice renders from local military forum and made up basically story on it about "new" Serbian tank being developed by the group of engineers and students.







Even Sputnik fell for it, naturally citating Serbian media: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150710/1024464826.html

KDT-2 rangefinder maybe? Produced by BELOMO (Minsk Mechanical Plant)



North Korea also has own variant, which they sold to Syria too.

Wait what? Syria has some Nork M84s just sitting around?!

EDIT: @Akula http://www.nknews.org/2014/12/n-korean-upgraded-tanks-still-in-use-in-syrian-civil-war/

Apparently North Korean laser RF on those T-55s.

EDIT 2: Ignore my stupidity.

OminousSpudd wrote:Wait what? Syria has some Nork M84s just sitting around?!

EDIT: @Akula http://www.nknews.org/2014/12/n-korean-upgraded-tanks-still-in-use-in-syrian-civil-war/

Apparently North Korean laser RF on those T-55s.

Those with NK rangefinders are the most common after base T55As. They were updated coz USSR offered AM modernisation that was very expencive. There is also somewhat around 200 T55MVs being updated in Ukraine.

OminousSpudd wrote:Wait what? Syria has some Nork M84s just sitting around?!

EDIT: @Akula http://www.nknews.org/2014/12/n-korean-upgraded-tanks-still-in-use-in-syrian-civil-war/

Apparently North Korean laser RF on those T-55s.

Thanks to you and Milatrov for the intel.

I guess FSA captured those tanks and now use them against the Syrian forces.

EDIT :

I dont really know who this is (If anyone can give me a list of organisations by flags, it would help a lot), seen this tank many times:


SAA forces:


Well too bad. I heard India was going to make its own version of the Armata but that should be bs too.

In short, a Turk businessmen donated his profits to the family of killed Russian pilot.

Indeed this is a good act. It softened the pain for the family and cooled the atmosphere between Turk and Russia.

https://www.rt.com/news/323854-turkish-business-profits-su24-pilot/

It is true that the Turkey nationals who murder the Russian pilot

this thug..



was killed by Russian airforce? (cant read russian)

http://voenkor.info/content/10350


What evidence there is.. he was killed?
Unless it was done by Russian special forces and personally witness it..and take
photos of his body.. it could be all a planted fabrication by Turkey Government
so Russia no longer seeks its extradition to Russia for crimes.. anyone have
any Info?

Vann7 wrote:

It is true that the Turkey nationals who murder the Russian pilot

this thug..



was killed by Russian airforce?  (cant read russian)

http://voenkor.info/content/10350


What evidence there is.. he was killed?
Unless it was done by Russian special forces and personally witness it..and take
photos of his body.. it could be all a planted fabrication by Turkey Government
so Russia no longer seeks its extradition to Russia for crimes.. anyone have
any Info?

Unless proven otherwise, it is accepted that, in the events that followed the downing of the aircraft, Russia and allied forces (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, ...) eliminated all the terrorist forces in the area, including the Turkish clandestine grouping in the region. Apparently, this has also been stated by the Iranians.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Unless proven otherwise, it is accepted that, in the events that followed the downing of the aircraft, Russia and allied forces (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, ...) eliminated all the terrorist forces in the area, including the Turkish clandestine grouping in the region. Apparently, this has also been stated by the Iranians.

But the proof have to come from the RUssian side..

Because the place were the Russian pilot was killed was a forest..with huge mountains and lands,
caves.and millions of places to hide. They could also move/retreat inside Turkey territory to avoid being bombed.

So this is why im asking if anyone in this forums ,knows more concrete evidence.. about the death of that turkie national? like the pilot ,could be confirmed by videos.. but there is no released photos or videos of that terrorist dead. that im aware... anyone knows?

The Turks claimed that they have the body of the killed pilot and they promised to sent the dead pilot back to Russia ASAP.

The Russian embassy confirmed the date of the transfer will be set on Sunday.

https://www.rt.com/news/323862-turkey-pilot-body-russia/

The shooting incident's effect has reached Hellenic State...

https://www.rt.com/news/323861-turkey-greek-airspace-violations/

Turkish warplanes abruptly ceased violating Greek airspace after downing a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 bomber on November 24. Previously, air intrusions made by Turkish fighter jets took place on a daily basis and amounted to thousands a year.

The data comes from a diplomatic source in Athens, cited by RIA Novosti.

The last time Turkish warplanes were spotted in Greek airspace was on November 25, when six jets, two of them carrying weapons, entered the neighbor’s aerial domain.

Vann7 wrote:

It is true that the Turkey nationals who murder the Russian pilot

this thug..



was killed by Russian airforce?  (cant read russian)

http://voenkor.info/content/10350


What evidence there is.. he was killed?
Unless it was done by Russian special forces and personally witness it..and take
photos of his body.. it could be all a planted fabrication by Turkey Government
so Russia no longer seeks its extradition to Russia for crimes.. anyone have
any Info?

If that assole was killed good. And there is a fair chance he got killed in the airstrikes and artillery attack that Russia/Syrian military carried out in the area after the 2nd pilot was rescued.
But it would be better to see the body. I too felt there may be a possiblity that Jihadists are posting their commanders as killed, on the behest of the commanders themselfs, so as for those commanders to escape and melt away with the civilians. Hope I'm wrong!!!
I just want to see all the top terrorists commanders getting killed at the earliest.

Dima wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

It is true that the Turkey nationals who murder the Russian pilot

this thug..



was killed by Russian airforce?  (cant read russian)

http://voenkor.info/content/10350


What evidence there is.. he was killed?
Unless it was done by Russian special forces and personally witness it..and take
photos of his body.. it could be all a planted fabrication by Turkey Government
so Russia no longer seeks its extradition to Russia for crimes.. anyone have
any Info?

If that assole was killed good. And there is a fair chance he got killed in the airstrikes and artillery attack that Russia/Syrian military carried out in the area after the 2nd pilot was rescued.
But it would be better to see the body. I too felt there may be a possiblity that Jihadists are posting their commanders as killed, on the behest of the commanders themselfs, so as for those commanders to escape and melt away with the civilians. Hope I'm wrong!!!
I just want to see all the top terrorists commanders getting killed at the earliest.

But the Top terrorist commanders sit in Washington and Turkey's Parliament :DD

BURN IN HELL PIDORAS.

Vann7 wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Unless proven otherwise, it is accepted that, in the events that followed the downing of the aircraft, Russia and allied forces (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, ...) eliminated all the terrorist forces in the area, including the Turkish clandestine grouping in the region. Apparently, this has also been stated by the Iranians.

But the proof have to come from the RUssian side..

Even under circumstances that the Russians may be inclined towards "providing proofs", they don't go out of their way to "provide proofs" for the sake of some internet warriors' ideas about a "proof".

Also, look how long it took for them to provide any data on the elimination of Basayev, for example. So do you think Basayev is still alive? There are infinitely long list of other examples like this. I can't go through an infinitely long list.

Can you instead please give a few more examples proving the point I am making here?

Akula971 wrote:But the Top terrorist commanders sit in Washington and Turkey's Parliament :DD

BURN IN HELL PIDORAS.

Ok lets for now change it to field commanders then.

Dima wrote:

Akula971 wrote:But the Top terrorist commanders sit in Washington and Turkey's Parliament :DD

BURN IN HELL PIDORAS.

Ok lets for now change it to field commanders then.

Akula missed out Saudi Arabia and Westminster

Godric wrote:

Dima wrote:

Akula971 wrote:But the Top terrorist commanders sit in Washington and Turkey's Parliament :DD

BURN IN HELL PIDORAS.

Ok lets for now change it to field commanders then.

Akula missed out Saudi Arabia and Westminster

I did, i am sorry. Its a huge list if you start naming everyone involved :DD



Also this :

Seeing the aftermath of the region where the Su 24 went down,

"Whoever hurts us won't live three days ."

Russia Awards Syrian Special Forces for Saving Su-24 Co-Pilot
29.11.2015

Syrian soldiers received medals for "Strengthening Comradeship-in-Arms," an award given to foreign citizens for military cooperation and assistance with the Russian Army, according to photos published by Syrian journalist Hassan Ridha.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151129/1030944510/syrian-special-forces-russia-award-su-24.html