Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

magnumcromagnon wrote:If the Turkish cunts want to close the Bosporus, than that's an open invitation to the Casus Belli dance, and the Turks are asking to be punished in Northern Cyprus, Southern Turkey, and Constantinople being recaptured as a Greek territory. It'll be nice to see the Turkish ISIS whorehouse pimp out their Casus Belli dancers lol!

by Awara Badal:

In India, there is so much corruption, decentralization, and inefficiency, that no decisions can meaningfully be made to support our allies. The only time decisions get made is to support our enemies, because these people will pay bribes and purchase political influence when they need it.

Vann7 wrote:a little of topic.. but not.. shows 6 reasons why  India
should Join Russia coalition in Syria against ISIS..

Is really interesting to know what is going on , since Putin
have been asking for help ,but their allies have largely ignored the call.

Read the report but also the comments sections very interesting
what Indians nationals says.. About India foreign policy.

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_fiction/2015/10/08/six-reasons-why-india-should-join-rusian-air-strikes-in-syria_480837

interesting repply by one Indian national about why India have not joined the coalition
of Russia.

by Awara Badal:

In India, there is so much corruption, decentralization, and inefficiency, that no decisions can meaningfully be made to support our allies. The only time decisions get made is to support our enemies, because these people will pay bribes and purchase political influence when they need it.

PapaDragon wrote:
Couple of observations:

1) Russia does not mind Turkey entering Syria, Russia WANTS Turkey to enter Syria because as of last weekend it's Turkey hunting season for VKS.

2) The moment Iraq files request, Turks in Iraq get fried by VKS. Decision is up to Baghdad. But this is just cherry on top, secondary event...

3) NATO can take over entire Kurd/Eastern Syria if they want to, it is just a empty wasteland. NATO wants coastline/West Syria because that is prime strategic real estate. But since Russia already called dibs on that part, NATO is sh*t out of luck.

4)  More Russian aircraft are to arrive and start ''working'' the ''rebels'' soon along with Iranians and Syrians will be getting fresh toys.

5)  Turks are now officially village idiots of NATO and middle east...

So please, tone down the panic.  

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kvs wrote:http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2015/12/05/12-05-breaking-news-turkey-detains-4-russian-ships-in-black-sea/

Breaking: FARS network in Iran has just announced that Turkey is withdrawing from Iraq after threats from not only the Baghdad government, but we are told Iran as well. If this proves to be the case, and Baghdad has not yet confirmed the story, “Turkey has blinked.” wrote:

apparently unconfirmed reports that Turkey left IRAQ or leaving after

Russian Marines Deploy to East Homs Amid the Syrian Army’s Counter-Offensive in West Palmyra

A unit of 60+ Russian Marines arrived to the Homs Governorate’s eastern countryside on Friday morning in order to advise and overlook the Syrian Arab Army’s counter-offensive against the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) in western Palmyra (Tadmur).

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-marines-deployed-to-east-homs-amid-the-syrian-armys-advance-on-quraytayn/

kvs wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:

Militarov wrote:



Moar

Top: looks better but still easily a photoshop

Bottom: Russian sailor carrying something that is not a MANPAD.  

Seriously people, a MANPAD is like a condom against a blowtorch in this situation.   This is clearly a Turkish propaganda ploy and not
some retarded Russian attempt to "defend themselves" by send a message.

Chill buddy, like kotemore said, this just a simple ''fuck you'' to the Turks by the crew. We'll be seeing plenty more of stuff like this.

Why so touchy?  Here is the proof of what I am saying:

http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2015/12/05/12-05-breaking-news-turkey-detains-4-russian-ships-in-black-sea/

The timing of this "MANPAD" photoshop is very convenient.

VladimirSahin wrote:I wouldn't underestimate the Turkish armed forces too much, Their upgrading and getting effective as time goes by. And Turkey can deploy into Syria way better then Russia can. I mean if the Turkish army were to deploy into Syria tonight with full offensive it would take a while for Russian reinforcements to arrive. I wouldn't be scared of the Turkish airforce though, They are operating somewhat old F-16s mostly. And their fleet isn't that much to fear. We would achieve aerial and naval superiority. And once our ground forces arrive you get the gist. My concerns would be for the SAA holding out until reinforcements arrive.

VladimirSahin wrote:I wouldn't underestimate the Turkish armed forces too much, Their upgrading and getting effective as time goes by. And Turkey can deploy into Syria way better then Russia can. I mean if the Turkish army were to deploy into Syria tonight with full offensive it would take a while for Russian reinforcements to arrive. I wouldn't be scared of the Turkish airforce though, They are operating somewhat old F-16s mostly. And their fleet isn't that much to fear. We would achieve aerial and naval superiority. And once our ground forces arrive you get the gist. My concerns would be for the SAA holding out until reinforcements arrive.

JohninMK wrote:

VladimirSahin wrote:I wouldn't underestimate the Turkish armed forces too much, Their upgrading and getting effective as time goes by. And Turkey can deploy into Syria way better then Russia can. I mean if the Turkish army were to deploy into Syria tonight with full offensive it would take a while for Russian reinforcements to arrive. I wouldn't be scared of the Turkish airforce though, They are operating somewhat old F-16s mostly. And their fleet isn't that much to fear. We would achieve aerial and naval superiority. And once our ground forces arrive you get the gist. My concerns would be for the SAA holding out until reinforcements arrive.

Agree with the Turkish Army, some of it is pretty hardened from years of civil war with the Kurds and it is very large. Also the airforce, don't dismiss their 250+ F-16s. All are C/D spec up to Block 50. They train regularly with the IAF. Turkey is also one of the NATO countries with US nuclear bombs on their territory.

VladimirSahin wrote:I wouldn't underestimate the Turkish armed forces too much, Their upgrading and getting effective as time goes by. And Turkey can deploy into Syria way better then Russia can. I mean if the Turkish army were to deploy into Syria tonight with full offensive it would take a while for Russian reinforcements to arrive. I wouldn't be scared of the Turkish airforce though, They are operating somewhat old F-16s mostly. And their fleet isn't that much to fear. We would achieve aerial and naval superiority. And once our ground forces arrive you get the gist. My concerns would be for the SAA holding out until reinforcements arrive.

JohninMK wrote:
Agree with the Turkish Army, some of it is pretty hardened from years of civil war with the Kurds and it is very large. Also the airforce, don't dismiss their 250+ F-16s. All are C/D spec up to Block 50. They train regularly with the IAF. Turkey is also one of the NATO countries with US nuclear bombs on their territory.

PapaDragon wrote:
Couple of observations:

1) Russia does not mind Turkey entering Syria, Russia WANTS Turkey to enter Syria because as of last weekend it's Turkey hunting season for VKS.

2) The moment Iraq files request, Turks in Iraq get fried by VKS. Decision is up to Baghdad. But this is just cherry on top, secondary event...

3) NATO can take over entire Kurd/Eastern Syria if they want to, it is just a empty wasteland. NATO wants coastline/West Syria because that is prime strategic real estate. But since Russia already called dibs on that part, NATO is sh*t out of luck.

4)  More Russian aircraft are to arrive and start ''working'' the ''rebels'' soon along with Iranians and Syrians will be getting fresh toys.

5)  Turks are now officially village idiots of NATO and middle east...

So please, tone down the panic.  

VladimirSahin wrote:I wouldn't underestimate the Turkish armed forces too much, Their upgrading and getting effective as time goes by.

zg18 wrote:
Agreed, Turkey sending troops in Mosul is designed to counter any Iraqi-Iranian moves in that part of Iraq after Baiji. Russia is wasting Turkish infrastructure in northern Syria, Erdogan losses no time to prevent Iranians doing the same in northern Iraq.

Of course, US is closely watching/participating, Turks even don`t go to the weddings without US approval. In all, stage is being set for a final showdown in Syria/Iraq. With Turks openly in Iraq, Iranians will not stay hidden for long.

JohninMK wrote:

VladimirSahin wrote:I wouldn't underestimate the Turkish armed forces too much, Their upgrading and getting effective as time goes by. And Turkey can deploy into Syria way better then Russia can. I mean if the Turkish army were to deploy into Syria tonight with full offensive it would take a while for Russian reinforcements to arrive. I wouldn't be scared of the Turkish airforce though, They are operating somewhat old F-16s mostly. And their fleet isn't that much to fear. We would achieve aerial and naval superiority. And once our ground forces arrive you get the gist. My concerns would be for the SAA holding out until reinforcements arrive.

Agree with the Turkish Army, some of it is pretty hardened from years of civil war with the Kurds and it is very large. Also the airforce, don't dismiss their 250+ F-16s. All are C/D spec up to Block 50. They train regularly with the IAF. Turkey is also one of the NATO countries with US nuclear bombs on their territory.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
If there was another aerial encounter with the Turks it will be a WVR duel between their weapon laden F-16C/Ds and our much more maneuverable Su-30SMs. Not to mention the Turks will be in range of the air defense systems Russia put in place. After that, Russia will roll in some very capable aircraft into the battlefield. Turkey's Air Force wouldn't last. If there was a ground engagement between Russian and Turkish troops, we would almost certainly come out on top. Turks are battle-hardened only in asymmetric warfare; meanwhile, Russian forces have gotten some valuable combat experience when they rolled in with the North Wind. But none of this is likely to happen as the Turks are not doing anything even now with Russia killing Turks and destroying Turkish assets literally a minute or two from the border almost every day.

KiloGolf wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
If there was another aerial encounter with the Turks it will be a WVR duel between their weapon laden F-16C/Ds and our much more maneuverable Su-30SMs. Not to mention the Turks will be in range of the air defense systems Russia put in place. After that, Russia will roll in some very capable aircraft into the battlefield. Turkey's Air Force wouldn't last. If there was a ground engagement between Russian and Turkish troops, we would almost certainly come out on top. Turks are battle-hardened only in asymmetric warfare; meanwhile, Russian forces have gotten some valuable combat experience when they rolled in with the North Wind. But none of this is likely to happen as the Turks are not doing anything even now with Russia killing Turks and destroying Turkish assets literally a minute or two from the border almost every day.

Manoeuvrability aside Su-27/30 has the edge over the F-16C when it comes to seeing first and launching long-range IR-guided missiles, possessing IRST, longer-range radar, two engines and bigger loitering time/longer legs (about double of that on the Viper, maybe more). Some simple facts that make the Flanker, even that from the late 80s a winner.

Vann7 wrote:Perhaps any Russian in the forums can explain me this,
because i really can't understand it ,is like a phenomenon of idiocy.  

Russians tourist complaining of the ban travel to turkey.  




1)Do they know that nation is unnofficially at war with Russia? and that at
any time a major war can start with them?
2)Do they know Erdogan is supporting ISIS? yes the same ones that shot down
with a bomb the Russian civilian plane?  Do Russians citizens cares about terrorism?
about helping a hostile nation to their nation with money..that they will use to buy
more missiles to shut down Russian planes?
3) Do Russian society ever watch news? Do the know Erdogan support ISIS and that in case
a major war start ,Russian citizens could be kidnapped and used as human shields?
4)Do Russians knows Americans and Turkey are already in a proxy war against Russia and
that they both support ISIS.. and that any retaliation against Russia ,could include the very
same airliner they planning to use to travel to turkey?
5)Do Russians know that every help they give to Turkey economy ,it will allow them
to buy more weapons to attack their nation?

This will be comparable of Russians traveling to Germany as tourist.. when Hitler invaded Russia
to stenghten German economy ,so they can continue the invasion of their nation and killing their people.  

6)Whats wrong with Russian society ,that do not takes seriously the serious
political hostile climate against Russia by NATO and that they can be attacked in any
part of the world of any nation that is not independent of US policies?

7)Isn't more wiser ,patriotic and safer for Russians to invest its money either in Russia own local tourism. or travel to friendly countries to Russia that do not are allies of terrorism? Neither when there is a possibility of world war 3 to start at any time , it looks like a good idea to travel outside their nation. For comparisons.. when Japan declared war on USA and US declared war to japan.. all japanese tourist in hawaii thousands of them ,were arrested and removed of their houses and put in concentration camps. because they represented a security risk for Americans.
Will Russians aware of that ,that they could be kidnapped or arrested if caught in turkey in the middle of a major war.. or worse that Turkey citizens attack them ,in revenge for any kind of retaliation of Russia to turkey?

8)Last question.. what Russians liberals think say about Russia bombing ISIS in Syria
and the attack of Turkey?