Agree and the real Russian sailor has very different lighting and clearly may not be aware of the guy behind, who may be wearing the new Russian Navy 'desert' camo.kvs wrote:Freaking photoshop. The lighting is all wrong and the "Russian sailor" looks like some ISIS black widow.
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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6
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If correct it makes a lot of sense. The French AF now have use of Incirlik so do not need the carrier. Plus there is no real point for their planes now that they have had their PR revenge for Paris splurge in the MSM. Plus it was supposed to go to the Gulf and was diverted to Syria.Airbornewolf wrote:franco wrote:French are moving their aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf and away from Syria.
http://tass.ru/en/world/841768
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Besides the big "WTF?!?" reaction within NATO on Turkey's shootdown of the Russian bomber. some people in EU millitary's, including German and British Millitary intelligence do not trust the redeployment of Turkish forces near the Turkey/Syria border. Everyone also within NATO knows Turkey deliberatly shot down that SU-24, and honestly believe Erdogan might do something stupid again like invading northern Syria and shooting at Russian aircraft operating there.
There is serious doubt about what Erdogan will do next within NATO. France withdraws its Carrier so in the case of an exchange of hostility's between Russia and Turkey, the carrier will not be near it. Besides "solidarity with Turkey", NATO does not want to be drawn in with Turkey firing at the Russians and the Russians, in their full right launch retaliatory attacks while NATO assets are in the area.
If NATO wanted to do its usual sabre-rattling, it would have already begun shipping in heavy weaponry. instead NATO does exactly the opposite.
Its not the only action of NATO withdrawing its asset's of the area where missiles will fly, the Incirlik AFB suspended its manned flights into Syria as to not get caught in the crossfire with trigger-happy Turks potentially shooting again at the Russians. Germany's Patriot's are still in Turkey but they are still shipped back to Germany. Im not sure if its true but my friend of mine currently deployed in Iraq with the Dutch F-16's says there where talks of the possibility of emergency evacuations of the Incirlik AFB in Turkey of Personell when it would come to an exchange of hostility'. as Dutch F-16's would be among aircraft send as escorts of C-17's and C-130's flying away with "anybody not needed to maintain the security of the Airbase". as he implied: "any threats to aircraft, including "allies getting trigger happy in the heat of the moment".
and next to this there are dozens of more indications NATO really does not want any part in Turkey's screwup. and like i said, NATO really believes in the Possibility of Erdogan doing something stupid again to provoke the Russians.
As interesting will be where the US carrier, now around the south of Italy, heads to. The Eastern Med or Suez.
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Cyberspec wrote:kvs wrote:Freaking photoshop. The lighting is all wrong and the "Russian sailor" looks like some ISIS black widow.
I think you might be right....I'm no expert though, it just doesn't look right
Top two photos are from (till now) very reliable naval spotter Yörük Işık, he claims he took them himself. Those under are claimed to be taken by other spotter at more or less same time. Actually it looks like he was wearing some kind of coat.
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What i am more interested is that it seems those are two different guys. They were posing to take a pic O.o so Igla changed few handlers?
Coz guy on second set of images looks like he is wearing someting alot longer.
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par far wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:Rumors all over the place about Turkish troops entering Iraq right now....
They are apparently in Mosul to train forces fighting isis terrorists(that's a big lie), they are there because they are afraid Iraq might ask Russia to use's it air force in Iraq.
http://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-crisis/2015/12/04/130-turkish-troops-in-mosul-to-give-training
If that is true then Iraq is one of the last places Turk army would want to be...
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Iraq are treating it as an incursionfranco wrote:Neutrality wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:Rumors all over the place about Turkish troops entering Iraq right now....
I'd like to see some sources.
Apparently they sent in 130 soldiers to assist in training the Iraqi Kurds.![]()
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https://www.rt.com/news/324787-turkish-troops-deployed-iraq/
Same goes for the US troops
https://www.rt.com/news/324782-iraq-troops-hostile-act/
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Comments on this post are:
"Unbelievable! Very dangerous...they are giving Turkey an Excuse to ban them from the Straights!"
"If this is real, it's another RUS endangerment of TUR and its sovereignty."
"Quite the image of provocation."
What I call it is once bitten twice shy... why would you not deploy defences when passing near enemy airspace where so recently you were fired upon without warning...
They have sent cruisers through that waterway with missiles able to shoot down enemy aircraft 250km distant, but some men with shoulder fired MANPADS are a provocation?
WTF?
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Freaking photoshop. The lighting is all wrong and the "Russian sailor" looks like some ISIS black widow.
Actually lighting is just right... a sensible MANPAD operator doesn't stand in the sunshine... he needs to be high up with a good field of view but if he stands in a shadow he has no sunlight in his eyes and would be rather more difficult for the enemy air power to see and target directly.
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GarryB wrote:Comments on this post are:
"Unbelievable! Very dangerous...they are giving Turkey an Excuse to ban them from the Straights!"
"If this is real, it's another RUS endangerment of TUR and its sovereignty."
"Quite the image of provocation."
What I call it is once bitten twice shy... why would you not deploy defences when passing near enemy airspace where so recently you were fired upon without warning...
They have sent cruisers through that waterway with missiles able to shoot down enemy aircraft 250km distant, but some men with shoulder fired MANPADS are a provocation?
WTF?
Exacly what i asked myself. Whats all the fuss about Igla.... capital ships are passing though Straits...armed with systems with far greater capabilities... but they all got shocked when they saw man holding a MANPAD...
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Meanwhile the slimy, spineless Turks violate the airspace of Greece, Syria, Iraq on a regular basis, and in the case of Syria and Iraq they outright commit military incursions in to their territory. The Turks are whiny sanctimonious hypocrites who cry wolf about how Turkish immigrants are treated poorly in Germany as an ethnic minority, meanwhile the Turks have a long history of committing genocide against ethnic minorities in their damn cruddy home country, such as the Armenians and the Kurds who compromise of 1/3rd of the Turkish population.
If the Turkish cunts want to close the Bosporus, than that's an open invitation to the Casus Belli dance, and the Turks are asking to be punished in Northern Cyprus, Southern Turkey, and Constantinople being recaptured as a Greek territory. It'll be nice to see the Turkish ISIS whorehouse pimp out their Casus Belli dancers lol!
If the Turkish cunts want to close the Bosporus, than that's an open invitation to the Casus Belli dance, and the Turks are asking to be punished in Northern Cyprus, Southern Turkey, and Constantinople being recaptured as a Greek territory. It'll be nice to see the Turkish ISIS whorehouse pimp out their Casus Belli dancers lol!
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What ship is that?
Because there are much bigger weapons you turks should be concerned than a flimsy MANPAD whos range is far lower than anything russian smallest ships can spew.
It would be actually very funny if that guy with the MANPAD would be spotted on Udaloy with all its impressive weaponary and the turks would bitch about that little MANPAD.
It is like some "knight" is looking into the throat of a Dragon and bitching about a tiny dagger that is stuck between his 1 meter long teeth.
Because there are much bigger weapons you turks should be concerned than a flimsy MANPAD whos range is far lower than anything russian smallest ships can spew.
It would be actually very funny if that guy with the MANPAD would be spotted on Udaloy with all its impressive weaponary and the turks would bitch about that little MANPAD.
It is like some "knight" is looking into the throat of a Dragon and bitching about a tiny dagger that is stuck between his 1 meter long teeth.
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Werewolf wrote:What ship is that?
Because there are much bigger weapons you turks should be concerned than a flimsy MANPAD whos range is far lower than anything russian smallest ships can spew.
It would be actually very funny if that guy with the MANPAD would be spotted on Udaloy with all its impressive weaponary and the turks would bitch about that little MANPAD.
It is like some "knight" is looking into the throat of a Dragon and bitching about a tiny dagger that is stuck between his 1 meter long teeth.
Its BDK64 Caesar Kunikov, Project 775 Ropucha-I Class.
http://flot.sevastopol.info/eng/ship/amphibious/cesar.htm
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GarryB wrote:Comments on this post are:
"Unbelievable! Very dangerous...they are giving Turkey an Excuse to ban them from the Straights!"
"If this is real, it's another RUS endangerment of TUR and its sovereignty."
"Quite the image of provocation."
What I call it is once bitten twice shy... why would you not deploy defences when passing near enemy airspace where so recently you were fired upon without warning...
They have sent cruisers through that waterway with missiles able to shoot down enemy aircraft 250km distant, but some men with shoulder fired MANPADS are a provocation?
WTF?
Garry now you should understand something, this IS a Fuck You moment, the Igla/Strela equipped matros, no Turkish flag, is a "FUCK YOU-and-whoever-spawned-you" moment. It's hard for Turks and the others to grasp, but what Turkey did was an act of war, which is being replied fairly chilly. This will keep going like this until Erdogan is in power.
So that's a provocation in its own right. As it should be.
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PapaDragon wrote:"Russian FM: We May Link up With Kurds to Seal Turkey-Syria Border"
http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-fm-we-may-link-kurds-seal-turkey-syria-border/ri11656
Personally I would like to see people pump more money for the Kurds and PKK... although a powerful Kurd force is not desired by anyone in the region...
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A couple of points about the video clips released by the Russian MoD is worth considering.
1- The effect of sensor fusion is quite visible in these clips. The optical sensor system in the RPV in the video above is clearly fusing thermal imagery with visible imagery. The above video shows a night attack, and before the attack the scene is only visible in the LWIR. However, after the attack, the explosion and the fire are also visible in visible spectrum in true color.
2- I had written a post on some of the methods used for jamming thermal imagers.
In all of the clips you can see the sensor blooming effect that is the mechanism used by the in-band jammers. Shtora is an example of a jammer that incorporates in-band jamming capability against thermal imagers. Of course, in these clips we are talking about an explosion, which is not intended for use in a jamming capacity, interfering with an imager of the third or higher generation, and we are clearly seeing that, as a result, the AGC (automatic gain control) function of the system kicking in.
1- The effect of sensor fusion is quite visible in these clips. The optical sensor system in the RPV in the video above is clearly fusing thermal imagery with visible imagery. The above video shows a night attack, and before the attack the scene is only visible in the LWIR. However, after the attack, the explosion and the fire are also visible in visible spectrum in true color.
2- I had written a post on some of the methods used for jamming thermal imagers.
In all of the clips you can see the sensor blooming effect that is the mechanism used by the in-band jammers. Shtora is an example of a jammer that incorporates in-band jamming capability against thermal imagers. Of course, in these clips we are talking about an explosion, which is not intended for use in a jamming capacity, interfering with an imager of the third or higher generation, and we are clearly seeing that, as a result, the AGC (automatic gain control) function of the system kicking in.
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GarryB wrote:Freaking photoshop. The lighting is all wrong and the "Russian sailor" looks like some ISIS black widow.
Actually lighting is just right... a sensible MANPAD operator doesn't stand in the sunshine... he needs to be high up with a good field of view but if he stands in a shadow he has no sunlight in his eyes and would be rather more difficult for the enemy air power to see and target directly.
Look at the cap on the forward tip of the MANPAD. It is illuminated bu the rest of the "black widow" isn't. That is a contradiction and an obvious
fake. The photos posted before this set look more real.
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Militarov wrote:
Moar
Top: looks better but still easily a photoshop
Bottom: Russian sailor carrying something that is not a MANPAD.
Seriously people, a MANPAD is like a condom against a blowtorch in this situation. This is clearly a Turkish propaganda ploy and not
some retarded Russian attempt to "defend themselves" by send a message.
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kvs wrote:Militarov wrote:
Moar
Top: looks better but still easily a photoshop
Bottom: Russian sailor carrying something that is not a MANPAD.
Seriously people, a MANPAD is like a condom against a blowtorch in this situation. This is clearly a Turkish propaganda ploy and not
some retarded Russian attempt to "defend themselves" by send a message.
Chill buddy, like kotemore said, this just a simple ''fuck you'' to the Turks by the crew. We'll be seeing plenty more of stuff like this.
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TURKEY INVADED SYRIA, CAPTURED TAL ZIYAB
http://southfront.org/turkey-invaded-syria-captured-tal-ziyab/
http://southfront.org/turkey-invaded-syria-captured-tal-ziyab/
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par far wrote:TURKEY INVADED SYRIA, CAPTURED TAL ZIYAB
http://southfront.org/turkey-invaded-syria-captured-tal-ziyab/
This also goes with this news as well, NATO is trying to get into Syria.
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940914000257
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This explains, why NATO is sending in troops and equipment, into Syria, they want Russia to be involved in a long conflict(they could not get this in Ukraine). If Russia was smart they would up the support(get Iran to do the same) and take key parts of Syria and get the Iraqi government to let Russia use it's air force in Iraq(tell the Iraqi's NATO won't do shit for you), this way NATO can not get a foothold in Iraq to launch attacks on Syria. Russia also needs to support the Houthis more in Yemen(this should happen secretly), if Russia can put pressure on Saudi Arabia, then one of US allies in the Middle East may just collapse.
After watching this video, I am very scared and panicking like hell(my arms are shaken), NATO is taking parts of Syria(don't trust any NATO country).
http://southfront.org/foreign-policy-diary-escalation-in-syria-leads-to-a-global-war/
After watching this video, I am very scared and panicking like hell(my arms are shaken), NATO is taking parts of Syria(don't trust any NATO country).
http://southfront.org/foreign-policy-diary-escalation-in-syria-leads-to-a-global-war/
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What would be the NATO's response if Russia bombed the air base?par far wrote:This explains, why NATO is sending in troops and equipment, into Syria, they want Russia to be involved in a long conflict(they could not get this in Ukraine). If Russia was smart they would up the support(get Iran to do the same) and take key parts of Syria and get the Iraqi government to let Russia use it's air force in Iraq(tell the Iraqi's NATO won't do shit for you), this way NATO can not get a foothold in Iraq to launch attacks on Syria. Russia also needs to support the Houthis more in Yemen(this should happen secretly), if Russia can put pressure on Saudi Arabia, then one of US allies in the Middle East may just collapse.
After watching this video, I am very scared and panicking like hell(my arms are shaken), NATO is taking parts of Syria(don't trust any NATO country).
http://southfront.org/foreign-policy-diary-escalation-in-syria-leads-to-a-global-war/
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So first the Yanks said they had run out of bombs to drop on the oil traffic. Now they can't find any sign of it. Turns out it was all a mirage caused by Putin and Assad to cast a negative image on their bestie friends.... bad Vladmir!!!
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GarryB wrote:Freaking photoshop. The lighting is all wrong and the "Russian sailor" looks like some ISIS black widow.
Actually lighting is just right... a sensible MANPAD operator doesn't stand in the sunshine... he needs to be high up with a good field of view but if he stands in a shadow he has no sunlight in his eyes and would be rather more difficult for the enemy air power to see and target directly.
It's called "force protection" and everybody does it post-Yemen incident. US subs whenever they come in/out of Souda bay, they always mount an M240B and have a couple of armed patrol boats around them. The Turks that are "shocked" have no idea how the world works, especially given that Constantinople is full of MB cells (and not only).
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