Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12032102/Awful-though-it-seems-working-with-Assad-may-be-the-only-option-in-Syria.html

F*** you very much.

SturmGuard wrote:

Vann7 wrote: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

Ummm.... OK?

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yes that's a SVBIED from Al Nusra. The magnitude of that explosion could be reached by things like double FAB 9000/Triple FAB 5000T none of which have been used by Russia so far.
Oil facilities are like said above probably storage areas and mom & pop refineries which don't nead no breaking process and no supper cavitating OMFGBBQ refineries. This has been the norm for about three years. Whenever the Rebels, then FSA, then Nusra, then ISIS has gotten leeway on oil and oil processes, they have quickly dismantled visible structure. and reduced their footprint. Unless it was impossible.

The grain silos were indeed used for many things, including dwellings and ammo dumps by JAN (look at recent advances by SAA in Aleppo). Same for "uber bakery" in Idlib or the "HUGE UBER water treatement plan".
As I said, this is just casual bullshitting the RU MO is giving from time to time, since they do not release the OPVIS or PID on the majority of the strikes. They just troll you guys, and both sides take the bait. OMGTRUTHBBQ and OMGLIEZBBQ keep fighting about Russian LIEZ or Russian Gospel while the Russian keep pounding the FSA/JAN/JAF/AAS to their knees. Including the steady destruction of convoys up NOrth.

Last time I say this, why would Russia reveal the "strategy"? That's how it's been so far. Even the US is coming to terms with how Russia is operating in the area. They're hitting the most fragile points of the Moderates, at nauseam and they're doing so with TOTAL disregard for civilian casulaties. So far it's been relatively cool on that front, because the zones are mostly empty, but the Russians are hitting that way, because they want to cause a movement of the civilians. That's COIN 101. It's not some kind of space math. Just very basic application of the way they used to win  in Chechnya.

I see also a lot of people saying that militarily the Russians achieved nothing. That's so wrong on so many levels. Having the moderates, getting crushed in their Turkish pass,  will force Turkey to get in. The base in Hasaka, that the US is building, will only make things worse for Turkey. Because once the US builds that runway, Russians will unload whatever the Kurds need to attack the Euphrates line, directly. I don't understand why the US is doing this? It's retarded. Now that the Turkish planes CANNOT cross the border, it's going to be a total clusterfuck and ISIS will be "allowed" to first beat the Moderates in Azzaz, so de facto sealing the border...(the irony) and invite Russians AND Americans to bomb the living shit out of that area.

Only this makes the Russian intervention a total game changer. While the Moderates were in the verge of winning, now they're in the verge of betting erased from the Turkish border area, which would put the Turkmens directly in charge of the whole Anti-Assad op in Northern Syria.

They will go from enablers, to actual fighters. Erdogan's blowback for that Russian SU, is losing it's favourite toys. And then we have people crying about Putin not doing enough. Lel.

Another good post explaining the matter further. As I said the moment Russia officialy intervened, there should be absolutely no distinction made between shades of extremists and the colour of their flags. First mop up the closest and most heavily funded and supported, than the next etc. Of course, targeting the "CIA trained" Warmart clerks at the very beginning was probably even better.

What I don't understand were those headings such as "striking ISIS target" when it was some Al-Nusra, ash-Sham or al-Fateh target. To hell with designations, just give people a nice and welcome sight of blowing terrorists and their means to wage war. Or claiming to be bombing oil refinery when the target is obviously not one, and there are no secondary explosions or other give-away signs such as heavy soot from oil fires. Why even show "controversial" targets to public?


I share your opinion of the border sealing operation. I have always wondered why was there no attempt made to eradicate those pockets of rebel/terrorist held territories within government areas. And then the answer came: the war can only be finished if the flow of weapons, ammo and fighters is stopped by closing the borders, specifically to Turkey.  

SturmGuard wrote:Some people are losing it, again.

That "Su-34 strike" is an old Al-Nusra VBIED:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=746_1401218881

You will notice how the poster "cleverly" filmed it on another screen, ommiting the left side of the video in the shorter one posted previously.

The "oil facilities" are in two cases a grain silo and a small water treatment plant (not the one which was reportedly bombed by Syrians, Russians or Americans depending on the source).

The grain silos were long empty, and may have been used for storing weapons, ammo or oil barrels in the vicinity. What is absolutely unacceptable in this modern age of fast information flow is the false representation, and an obvious one. Just tell the truth, or at least something less obviously wrong.

This is simply bad PR, not that I care about it, but unfortunately, the world is inhabited by fools and easily manipulated individuals so the strategy should reflect the reality.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12032102/Awful-though-it-seems-working-with-Assad-may-be-the-only-option-in-Syria.html

F*** you very much.

I see Sherlock Holmes took his interest in  this whole Syria problem and helped them to deduce solution.

sweartome123 wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:Some people are losing it, again.

That "Su-34 strike" is an old Al-Nusra VBIED:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=746_1401218881

You will notice how the poster "cleverly" filmed it on another screen, ommiting the left side of the video in the shorter one posted previously.

The "oil facilities" are in two cases a grain silo and a small water treatment plant (not the one which was reportedly bombed by Syrians, Russians or Americans depending on the source).

The grain silos were long empty, and may have been used for storing weapons, ammo or oil barrels in the vicinity. What is absolutely unacceptable in this modern age of fast information flow is the false representation, and an obvious one. Just tell the truth, or at least something less obviously wrong.

This is simply bad PR, not that I care about it, but unfortunately, the world is inhabited by fools and easily manipulated individuals so the strategy should reflect the reality.

For your own sake, don't talk about grain silos and water treatment plants too much lol.

The way I look at it:

1. Bad PR on the MoD's (whether they give a shit about PR is a different issue)
2. The grain silos were likely being used to hide ammo, guns, supplies, etc.

Just because I called bs on 3 LITTLE VIDEOS doesn't mean I am "defending terrorism."

It is more than likely that those grain silos were being used by enemy forces. Terrorists using civilian infrastructure to hide men and supplies is nothing new.

KoTeMoRe wrote:...................................

Russia. Doesn't. Give. À. Fuck. Aboot. PR. If you think this remotely important, you clearly have not seen the outrage, when SAG was bombed on 30th of September.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Rumors all over the place about Turkish troops entering Iraq right now....

par far wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Rumors all over the place about Turkish troops entering Iraq right now....

They are apparently in Mosul to train forces fighting isis terrorists(that's a big lie), they are there because they are afraid Iraq might ask Russia to use's it air force in Iraq.




http://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-crisis/2015/12/04/130-turkish-troops-in-mosul-to-give-training

ult wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:...................................

Russia. Doesn't. Give. À. Fuck. Aboot. PR. If you think this remotely important, you clearly have not seen the outrage, when SAG was bombed on 30th of September.

The Truth.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Rumors all over the place about Turkish troops entering Iraq right now....

Neutrality wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Rumors all over the place about Turkish troops entering Iraq right now....

I'd like to see some sources.

kvs wrote:Freaking photoshop.  The lighting is all wrong and the "Russian sailor" looks like some ISIS black widow.