franco wrote:Link to the story of the 2nd airbase with extra ground forces; https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/over-100-russian-jet-fighters-and-a-new-brigade-are-expected-in-syria-once-shaayrat-airport-is-in-service/
How reliable is this source?
Apparently his is from a Syrian media source, so your guess is as good as mines. Seeing similar out of a Russian reporter twitter.
Other sources are also reporting this, when airbase is ready, Russia will have two operational bases in Syria, with a potential for a third one(kweiris airbase, more area need to be cleared up here before anything can happen).
Seeing one source saying around a squadron each of aircraft and helo's operating already operating there.
franco wrote:Link to the story of the 2nd airbase with extra ground forces; https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/over-100-russian-jet-fighters-and-a-new-brigade-are-expected-in-syria-once-shaayrat-airport-is-in-service/
How reliable is this source?
Apparently his is from a Syrian media source, so your guess is as good as mines. Seeing similar out of a Russian reporter twitter.
Other sources are also reporting this, when airbase is ready, Russia will have two operational bases in Syria, with a potential for a third one(kweiris airbase, more area need to be cleared up here before anything can happen).
Seeing one source saying around a squadron each of aircraft and helo's operating already operating there.
Already operational? Russia is very quick at setting up air bases.
Militarov wrote:If Russia invades Ukraine or Turkey it will become not new Vietnam or Afganistan, it would become new example on its own. Think about it, half of the world would literally support Ukraine or Turkey with both military and financial aid, meanwhile very few countries if any would support Russia, it would become long term conflict that would cost billions of dollars per month. Not only that price of oil is atm low, in case of such conflic it would become almost impossible to sell and in 2 or 3 years Russia would go back to 1996.
Do not start something you cant finish is my parole. Russia is not USSR, there are no 50.000 tanks laying around ready to be deployed. I understand anger i am angry myself too, but hotheads do not end up well in life or politics for that matter. Turkey is not that small country either, despite their army not being real match for Russia you cant consider them as very weak enemy, Russian army has huge teritory to protect and that is its main role unlike NATO, to protect not invade.
Russians lack means of projecting power, Turks lack it far more, so let Turks bark repay when chance appears and it will eventually.
Who says Russia is invading Ukraine or Turkey?
Noone? Its just that everyone here is cheering for it, calling for it...
zorobabel wrote:Well, that's good, but I'd be happier to hear that 10,000 Russian soldiers were being deployed there.
And that is exactly what those assholes want.
If we are throwing stupid ideas out there I say let's nuke entire Mideast and North Africa...only way to be sure right?
Huh? Who are 'those assholes'? 10,000 Russian soldiers in Syria, concentrated on one or two fronts against ISIS, freeing up more SAA soldiers to fight against rebels would be very helpful for Russia's longterm strategic interests. They don't even have to be on the frontlines as far as I'm concerned, just providing artillery and other forms of support. Look at map changes over the last 2 months and count the number of bombs Russia has dropped. The SAA is not getting the job done.
I too think that putting 10,000 russian soldiers on the ground in Syria is not a good idea. If anything, such a force is first justified to be used to finally liberate Donbass (all of it) and link it with Crimea...
As for Syria, enhanced air presence and intelligence gathering, spetsnaz operations, and every possible assistance to the SAA and it's allies is the first thing to do before putting russian soldiers to such risks. I was saying before, the SAA needs the weapons contracted and anything that is in good order and of good use from russian military depots, they need everything they can get (especially modern air, armour and artillery). Arm them to the teeth and assist them to destroy the rats.
mack8 wrote:I too think that putting 10,000 russian soldiers on the ground in Syria is not a good idea. If anything, such a force is first justified to be used to finally liberate Donbass (all of it) and link it with Crimea...
As for Syria, enhanced air presence and intelligence gathering, spetsnaz operations, and every possible assistance to the SAA and it's allies is the first thing to do before putting russian soldiers to such risks. I was saying before, the SAA needs the weapons contracted and anything that is in good order and of good use from russian military depots, they need everything they can get (especially modern air, armour and artillery). Arm them to the teeth and assist them to destroy the rats.
Freeing Donbass wouldn't make sense. The game is to turn Ukraine into a decentralized state with strong Russian influence through its minority to keep it as a buffer against NATO. Else a dismembered Ukraine would immediately become a NATO member on Russia's doorstep.
zorobabel wrote:Well, that's good, but I'd be happier to hear that 10,000 Russian soldiers were being deployed there.
And that is exactly what those assholes want.
If we are throwing stupid ideas out there I say let's nuke entire Mideast and North Africa...only way to be sure right?
Huh? Who are 'those assholes'? 10,000 Russian soldiers in Syria, concentrated on one or two fronts against ISIS, freeing up more SAA soldiers to fight against rebels would be very helpful for Russia's longterm strategic interests. They don't even have to be on the frontlines as far as I'm concerned, just providing artillery and other forms of support. Look at map changes over the last 2 months and count the number of bombs Russia has dropped. The SAA is not getting the job done.
Lighten up Francis. Russian AF hasn't even been there for 2 months, and you're already 'SAA is not getting the job done' These things take time. Terrorist infrastructure has been hit hard, and keeps getting hit, but the effect is not immediate; it's a cumulative thing.
And the most important thing that the SAA has now is not a little regained territory, or a little loss in another place - it's that they have regained the initiative, and are now directing the course of the war. You guys keep missing it, but this is the biggest change. Before, they were constantly on the back foot. The SAA has had a big morale boost too. If they keep pressing the rebels, the rebel lines will eventually collapse and they will break through. They found a weak spots already, but weren't able to exploit them. Nevermind, they will find them again, and be ready for it.
Russia's Defense Ministry has announced it will unveil "new data," previously unknown to the public, pertaining to "The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the fight against international terrorism."
Though details of the media briefing, set for Wednesday at 3:00 PM Moscow time, have not been made public, many believe revelations might include evidence of Turkey's involvement in the illegal sale of oil by Daesh, also known as ISIL/the Islamic State terror group. On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow has evidence that its Su-24 was shot down by Turkish forces on the Syrian border in order to protect oil deliveries from Daesh to Turkey, and that oil from Daesh-controlled fields is being exported to Turkey on an industrial scale.
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan vehemently denied the allegations, vowing that if evidence does surface, he will resign from the presidency.
Somewhat of a confirmation from the US side about Russian expansion on Shayrat airbase.
"Russia has expanded its military operations in Syria to include a second airbase as well as other posts, according to a U.S. official briefed on the latest intelligence from the region – even as President Obama expresses muted optimism that Russian President Vladimir Putin eventually will “shift” his strategy and work with the West. Moscow’s presence has grown to a total of four forward operating bases, including recently added bases in Hama and Tiyas. But the most concerning to the Pentagon is the second airbase in Shayrat which can support fixed-wing aircraft, greatly expanding Russia’s capability for airstrikes, which began on Sept. 30.
“The Russians are operating helicopters out of Shayrat airport, but they are making [preparations] to land fixed-wing aircraft,” another U.S. official confirmed to Fox News. Shayrat is located 25 miles outside of the Syrian city of Homs, an hour drive from neighboring Lebanon. Since September, Russia has based its warplanes and helicopters at Basel al-Assad airbase in Latakia, one of the last remaining Assad strongholds along the Mediterranean coast. While the Pentagon cannot confirm any Russian military jets have landed at Shayrat, there are reports Russia has landed aircraft in the past few hours. Russia’s two other forward operating bases are used to land its attack helicopters employed to defend the Assad regime against Syrian rebels. But when asked if the move to expand to a second airbase was defensive in nature in case Syrian rebels succeed in destroying the Latakia base, one of the U.S. officials pushed back.
“This is an expansion, not a defensive move at all,” the official said. He said Syrian rebels were nowhere close to taking the Russian airbase in Latakia. The expansion comes as Russia spars with other world powers over its Syria approach. While the Obama administration is trying to persuade Moscow to focus its efforts on taking out Islamic State targets, Russia is known to be targeting U.S.-backed rebels tasked with weakening the Russia-backed Assad regime. Obama acknowledged this during a press conference Tuesday, while also voicing hope that Russia at some point will cooperate. "
I really think Russia should prepare for an Invasion of USA , why?
Because the US aggression will only continue on Russia by proxy.. is attacking Russia in Ukraine and is arming terrorist in Syria to kill Russians.. this is war. make no mistake. and undeclared war. and is even helping Turkey to shut down Russian planes. So it will be a matter of time Americans will take things to a new level , after more confidence.. and start directly smugling ISIS fighters in Ukrainia and provide them with chemical weapons and ballistic missiles and cruise missiles to attack Russia. They will also seek to repeat the Ukraine excenario in Belarus and attack Kaliningrad.. in other words the Americans are in an undeclared hostile war against Russia.. and Russia cannot just sit down and turn the other cheek forever pretending they have partners in the west.
So Russia cantake advantage of the negative support US leaders have. ABout 30% from 100% of Americans who can participate in elections vote. Last numbers is saw.. so this is one of the lowest participation in elections in any country of the world.. If Russia goes an provide weapons to American moderate opposition (like Hispanics and Blacks) it will get an army of millions that will surpass the US armed forces. There are 50 million Americans living in poverty that will be more than ready to fight its government..all they need is weapons and someone to lead them.. in short Russia can pay back the American arrogance in Syria and in the world.. by arming Americans for self defense.
And claim that if Obama arms rebels in Syria but also in RUssia as they have done in chechenia....then is fair that Russia arms americans too. I really think .. As soon US start losing a dozen of towns with anti tank weapons and manpads shuting down US planes ,hellicopters and tanks.. That is take the fight to their side ,Then only then they will want to negotiate for peace. and leave Syria alone..
This is why Russia policy should have been to try to get mexico on their side.. to really scare americans. and deploy a military base there. Offer them help to fight mexican drug cartels that surprise surprise.. American government by "mistake" oppps.. give weapons too.
US federal government supplying weapons to criminals in Mexico.. to provoke violence there? are you kidding?
Even the President of mexico ,the previous one Felipe Calderon he openly called United State an irresponsible nation an sponsor of criminals. and falled short of calling them terrorist state.
opps where we heard that thing before? Drops of weapons by mistake in Syria to ISIS? opps. just like they do in Syria ,just like in Lybia ,Just like in Chechenia, Just like in Nicaragua ,just like in panama ,just like in afganistan..just like Ukraine ,just like in venezuela and colombia,just like in iraq,and many european nations, just like is hundreds of countries.. Americans Regime for decades have been using its embassies to identify.. terrorist and criminals on that nation ,and later hire them as "Government opposition" "rebels" "freedom fighters" to destabilize those nations..and promote violence and crime and civilians killed. Why they do such a horrendous crime? To increase the sales of their weapons ,boost the profits of its military industrial complex ,and for potential use of them..as a weapon ,to blackmail those countries to be more cooperative with them. Is Pure mafia tactics.
That said US government cannot continue another decade with its terrorism export project around the world. Now is threatening their own Allies Europe..with Islamic radicals invasion. and is not going to change ever..unless Americans wake up and retake their government.. but that will never happen.. So Russia will need sooner or later..the sooner the better.. to take the fight directly to them. and wait too much.. one day will find itself with hundreds of terror attacks in all Russian cities and the supply of chemical or biological weapons to them by americans. So Russia better have from now plans for fighting a proxy war with americans and taking it directly to their own land..because the hostilities against Russia will only increase with time. Only when US government start losing control of their own nation ,is when they stop its international crimes and terrorism.
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Now lets see the maps with the S-400 range centred on the new location. The US will really enjoy those as they fully understand the ramifications. This is Russia rolling back the West's plans that 4 months ago they thought were a dead cert, step by step. All that planning down the drain, all those promotions never to come.
A couple of new satellite pictures wouldn't go amiss either. I wonder if we will get them?
USA can't even squeeze more than 50 spec ops trough DC pipeline let alone full ground invasion. Get real.
Only ones stupid enough to volunteer for that gig were Turks and only in the North. But now even that is literally shot to sh*t. If they put one finger across the border VKS is cutting of entire Turk arms by the hundreds.
West is not the one who is expanding their military influence inside Syria as we speak, it is Russia who is doing that.
On what Defence Ministry has said so far we now have to consider what will happen next. If it is said that to beat terrorists then their money supply must be destroyed, and that evidence is shown that Turkey is actively involved in taking oil from IS and that the Turkish political/military "elites" and Erdogan and his family are responsible for this, leaves few choices of action. Either the money is stopped, which means action against Turkey, or the briefing is a waste of time and it will all be ignored, but Russia is now directly calling Turkey out as a major supporter of the most serious terrorism the world has yet seen. And what now follows.....
All that remains of the pre 1991 world order is MAD, everything below the final end is possible now.
Kurds in Qamisli and KRG are in this very deep. I take the Russian video exposed them and they might want to re-think about allowing IS oil tankers through their territories.I support the Kurds 100% sure, but there are limits, they need to end this.
Also 8.500 active tankers is a huge numbers. So far Russia has taken out 500-600 in about a few weeks? Less than 10%. IS & friends can replace them and carry on as usual. Russia needs to find a way to take out > 850 tankers per week.
Kurds in Qamisli and KRG are in this very deep. I take the Russian video exposed them and they might want to re-think about allowing IS oil tankers through their territories.I support the Kurds 100% sure, but there are limits, they need to end this.
Also 8.500 active tankers is a huge numbers. So far Russia has taken out 500-600 in about a few weeks? Less than 10%. IS & friends can replace them and carry on as usual. Russia needs to find a way to take out > 850 tankers per week.
BTW Jaysh Al Fath got double whammy yesterday. Their mechanized guys got Somalized by light SAA infantry (cough IRGC cough), then when they mobilized to strike back, ISIS went all Rocco on them and is now reaching for Azzaz.
Russian "failed strikes" deliver. There's one good thing with ISIS they always fuck up everything they touch. Fortunately they mostly touch moderates so far.
BTW Jaysh Al Fath got double whammy yesterday. Their mechanized guys got Somalized by light SAA infantry (cough IRGC cough), then when they mobilized to strike back, ISIS went all Rocco on them and is now reaching for Azzaz.
Russian "failed strikes" deliver. There's one good thing with ISIS they always fuck up everything they touch. Fortunately they mostly touch moderates so far.
Have the recent rebel gains in SW Aleppo region been reversed? I mean we saw the beardie T-72 being taken out in the end, any other news?
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