Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

franco wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

ult wrote:

That Su-24 has a row of red stars now. Think one of the junior technicians is getting a lot of practice painting them on lots of aircraft.

I read the other day each star represents 10 missions.

I'm quite surprised, that Su-30SM fighters don't have any stars painted on them. They are also doing their combat missions and they are also bombing terrorists. They are every day in the air and they also drop bombs, so they have enough missions for stars.

The fscking Turks are still flying into Greek airspace.

"Four Turkish fighter aircraft entered the airspace of Greece on January 7 said in the Greek Ministry of Defence. Reportedly, the Turkish Air Force planes three times crossed the border in the northern part of Greece Aegean Sea, two Turkish fighter aircraft were carrying weapons."

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://rusvesna.su/news/1452248474&usg=ALkJrhhju1md7JW0KtllCYBfIm3H86M9Qg

Someone needs to provide the Greeks with a nice modern air-defense system to protect them from ISIS' air force.

medo wrote:..........................

I'm quite surprised, that Su-30SM fighters don't have any stars painted on them. They are also doing their combat missions and they are also bombing terrorists. They are every day in the air and they also drop bombs, so they have enough missions for stars.

I am sure couple of them do since I seen them. Keep in mind that Su-30s do not drop bombs all that often.

PapaDragon wrote:

medo wrote:..........................

I'm quite surprised, that Su-30SM fighters don't have any stars painted on them. They are also doing their combat missions and they are also bombing terrorists. They are every day in the air and they also drop bombs, so they have enough missions for stars.

I am sure couple of them do since I seen them. Keep in mind that Su-30s do not drop bombs all that often.

True, because they work more with air protection and as a group command posts. Anyway, they have combat missions too and they should be marked. Su-30SM have no worse bombing capabilities than the rest in the group in Syria. Marking of combat missions on them would be good for marketing too.

First image of ORLAN-10 being launched. Latakia province, Syria.


And new image of TOS-1 same province.

Not sure if it is intentional or a translation error "in preparation" but this implies that this was done before activities started.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia’s military transport aviation has carried out over 280 sorties to prepare infrastructure of Syria’s Hmeimim airbase and has transferred there almost 14,000 metric tons of cargo, a Russian Aerospace Forces spokesman said Saturday.

"In preparation for the Hmeimim airfield’s infrastructure on the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic crews of IL-76 and AN-124 Ruslan [aircraft] have carried out over 280 sorties and transported 13,750 tons of cargo," Col. Igor Klimov told reporters.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160109/1032864664/russia-syria-cargo-delivers.html#ixzz3wkO8jote

''Russian Destroyer Moskva Returns to Sevastopol After Anti-Daesh Operation''

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160109/1032868699/destroyer-moskva-return.html

PapaDragon wrote:
''Russian Destroyer Moskva Returns to Sevastopol After Anti-Daesh Operation''

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160109/1032868699/destroyer-moskva-return.html

I don't want to be pernickety but the Slava class ships are not Destroyers their missile cruisers ... the media are idiots take the BBC I've seen them referring Pyotr Yelikiy as a destroyer and the Sovremenny class as a battleship

I would love to see the kebabs try to attempt to block/close the Bosphorus to Russian shipping .... it would send them even further into the caveman era



it is pretty obvious that the UN is a powerless talking shop after the Illegal invasion of Iraq .... because America and her allies do as they please by ignoring the UN

More at link

Russia has dispatched military advisors west of Palmyra in a bid to shore-up regime military efforts against ISIS and protect key airbases on the edge of Syria’s desert, according to an activist media outlet.

“Over the past few days Russia has sent small special units and military advisors with extensive experience in mountain and desert combat [to] the area west of the city of Palmyra that is still controlled by regime forces,” All4Syria reported Wednesday. A “regime force” source told the pro-rebel website that “these units will execute command-and-consultation missions, and provide assistance and military advice to regime forces in that area.”

“They will not have a classical combat nature but a very special combat nature (intelligence) – if the situation demands, and especially if absolutely necessary, Russian air-drops will be executed in that area at specific points,” All4Syria cited the source as saying. “The main launch base for these forces lies inside the T4 airbase, as the Russians have set up a command HQ for their ground and air forces there,” the source added.

The source went on to claim that Russian helicopter pilots stationed at the T4 airbase had refused to remain at the desert outpost because they were worried about the possibility of ISIS attacks. “The Russians evacuated a fleet of Mi-24 military helicopters from T4 to the Al-Shayrat airbase last month because the Russian pilots were afraid of surprise attacks by ISIS.”

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/russia-starts-planning-recapture-of.html

Godric wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
''Russian Destroyer Moskva Returns to Sevastopol After Anti-Daesh Operation''

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160109/1032868699/destroyer-moskva-return.html

I don't want to be pernickety but the Slava class ships are not Destroyers their missile cruisers ... the media are idiots take the BBC I've seen them referring Pyotr Yelikiy as a destroyer and the Sovremenny class as a battleship

That's right. The media randomly assigns a ship type to whatever ship they are talking about at the moment.

Even the military "experts" are often clueless. They use the term "unit" for all military groupings and elements. Lots of examples like this.

JohninMK wrote:More at link

Russia has dispatched military advisors west of Palmyra in a bid to shore-up regime military efforts against ISIS and protect key airbases on the edge of Syria’s desert, according to an activist media outlet.

“Over the past few days Russia has sent small special units and military advisors with extensive experience in mountain and desert combat [to] the area west of the city of Palmyra that is still controlled by regime forces,” All4Syria reported Wednesday. A “regime force” source told the pro-rebel website that “these units will execute command-and-consultation missions, and provide assistance and military advice to regime forces in that area.”

“They will not have a classical combat nature but a very special combat nature (intelligence) – if the situation demands, and especially if absolutely necessary, Russian air-drops will be executed in that area at specific points,” All4Syria cited the source as saying. “The main launch base for these forces lies inside the T4 airbase, as the Russians have set up a command HQ for their ground and air forces there,” the source added.

The source went on to claim that Russian helicopter pilots stationed at the T4 airbase had refused to remain at the desert outpost because they were worried about the possibility of ISIS attacks. “The Russians evacuated a fleet of Mi-24 military helicopters from T4 to the Al-Shayrat airbase last month because the Russian pilots were afraid of surprise attacks by ISIS.”

Those advisers are at the ground since beginning off offensive, there are pictures of their presence there. Tough didn't know that Mi-24 were evacuated from T4.

Aldin_Aba wrote:

JohninMK wrote:More at link

Russia has dispatched military advisors west of Palmyra in a bid to shore-up regime military efforts against ISIS and protect key airbases on the edge of Syria’s desert, according to an activist media outlet.

“Over the past few days Russia has sent small special units and military advisors with extensive experience in mountain and desert combat [to] the area west of the city of Palmyra that is still controlled by regime forces,” All4Syria reported Wednesday. A “regime force” source told the pro-rebel website that “these units will execute command-and-consultation missions, and provide assistance and military advice to regime forces in that area.”

“They will not have a classical combat nature but a very special combat nature (intelligence) – if the situation demands, and especially if absolutely necessary, Russian air-drops will be executed in that area at specific points,” All4Syria cited the source as saying. “The main launch base for these forces lies inside the T4 airbase, as the Russians have set up a command HQ for their ground and air forces there,” the source added.

The source went on to claim that Russian helicopter pilots stationed at the T4 airbase had refused to remain at the desert outpost because they were worried about the possibility of ISIS attacks. “The Russians evacuated a fleet of Mi-24 military helicopters from T4 to the Al-Shayrat airbase last month because the Russian pilots were afraid of surprise attacks by ISIS.”

Those advisers are at the ground since beginning off offensive, there are pictures of their presence there. Tough didn't know that Mi-24 were evacuated from T4.

The article didn't say that the advisers were new, looks like they have moved to a new position, or one they are happy being publicised in. Helping free a World Heritage Site would definitely look good on Russia's CV. To me the interesting comment was the status of T4.

JohninMK wrote:

Aldin_Aba wrote:

JohninMK wrote:More at link

Russia has dispatched military advisors west of Palmyra in a bid to shore-up regime military efforts against ISIS and protect key airbases on the edge of Syria’s desert, according to an activist media outlet.

“Over the past few days Russia has sent small special units and military advisors with extensive experience in mountain and desert combat [to] the area west of the city of Palmyra that is still controlled by regime forces,” All4Syria reported Wednesday. A “regime force” source told the pro-rebel website that “these units will execute command-and-consultation missions, and provide assistance and military advice to regime forces in that area.”

“They will not have a classical combat nature but a very special combat nature (intelligence) – if the situation demands, and especially if absolutely necessary, Russian air-drops will be executed in that area at specific points,” All4Syria cited the source as saying. “The main launch base for these forces lies inside the T4 airbase, as the Russians have set up a command HQ for their ground and air forces there,” the source added.

The source went on to claim that Russian helicopter pilots stationed at the T4 airbase had refused to remain at the desert outpost because they were worried about the possibility of ISIS attacks. “The Russians evacuated a fleet of Mi-24 military helicopters from T4 to the Al-Shayrat airbase last month because the Russian pilots were afraid of surprise attacks by ISIS.”

Those advisers are at the ground since beginning off offensive, there are pictures of their presence there. Tough didn't know that Mi-24 were evacuated from T4.

The article didn't say that the advisers were new, looks like they have moved to a new position, or one they are happy being publicised in. Helping free a World Heritage Site would definitely look good on Russia's CV. To me the interesting comment was the status of T4.

Well T4 is not safe definitely, surrounded by desert its ideal ground for surprise attack. The least what Russian needs now is another hello down or someone injured. Smart move.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:They use the term "unit" for all military groupings and elements. Lots of examples like this.

"Unit" can be used like this. An unit is a formation unified under an unique command. From the fireteam to the field army, from regulars to ad-hoc, all formations are "units".

It denotes a poor knowledge of military vocabulary, but it's not wrong. It's tolerable. Unlike hearing that AKs/RPGs are heavy weapons, that a BTR is a tank or that anything more than 2 ships is an armada...

Russia killed 792 civilians in Syria and helped displace 130,000: Reports

Three months of Russian air strikes in Syria have killed more than 2,300 people, a third of them civilians, a monitoring group said on Wednesday. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Moscow's strikes on Syria, which began in September, have killed 2,371 people so far. The toll includes 792 civilians, among them 180 children.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russian-strikes-killed-2300-people-helped-displace-130000-syria-reports-916379770#sthash.2fEjqtX8.QnvWhTON.dpuf

Taking SOHR's numbers and adding a good 200 ISIS truck drivers (which are civvies) makes Russia's impact quite effective, with less than 25% innocent civilians dead. Given that this is a war mainly in urban environment, where rebels foolishly keep their families, kids, etc. or use other civvies and related infrastructure (markets, mosques) as human shields.

Bidoul wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:They use the term "unit" for all military groupings and elements. Lots of examples like this.

"Unit" can be used like this. An unit is a formation unified under an unique command. From the fireteam to the field army, from regulars to ad-hoc, all formations are "units".

It denotes a poor knowledge of military vocabulary, but it's not wrong. It's tolerable. Unlike hearing that AKs/RPGs are heavy weapons, that a BTR is a tank or that anything more than 2 ships is an armada...

subunits < unit < formations

#Syria #Idlib #SAA Defectee Colonel Fayez Hussein of #FSA 13th Division killed @ Maarrat al-Numan #RuAF

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/685917350529466368

KiloGolf wrote:

Russia killed 792 civilians in Syria and helped displace 130,000: Reports

Three months of Russian air strikes in Syria have killed more than 2,300 people, a third of them civilians, a monitoring group said on Wednesday. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Moscow's strikes on Syria, which began in September, have killed 2,371 people so far. The toll includes 792 civilians, among them 180 children.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russian-strikes-killed-2300-people-helped-displace-130000-syria-reports-916379770#sthash.2fEjqtX8.QnvWhTON.dpuf

Taking SOHR's numbers and adding a good 200 ISIS truck drivers (which are civvies) makes Russia's impact quite effective, with less than 25% innocent civilians dead. Given that this is a war mainly in urban environment, where rebels foolishly keep their families, kids, etc. or use other civvies and related infrastructure (markets, mosques) as human shields.

Why would anyone take the claims by a UK based clown (the so-called "observatory") and his Wahabbi jehadi sources seriously? This
is the same spigot of excrement that claimed Ghouta was Assad's atrocity. It was actually a jihadi false flag and these same jihadis
are still using chemical weapons today.

http://russianplanes.net/id181338

medo wrote:
I'm quite surprised, that Su-30SM fighters don't have any stars painted on them. They are also doing their combat missions and they are also bombing terrorists. They are every day in the air and they also drop bombs, so they have enough missions for stars.

They are fighter jets. They get stars for shooting down combat jets, not for combat sorties.

All of this comes from WW2 traditions.

ult wrote:

medo wrote:
I'm quite surprised, that Su-30SM fighters don't have any stars painted on them. They are also doing their combat missions and they are also bombing terrorists. They are every day in the air and they also drop bombs, so they have enough missions for stars.

They are fighter jets. They get stars for shooting down combat jets, not for combat sorties.

All of this comes from WW2 traditions.

They do and they have but it takes 10 combat sorties (where they drop bombs on something). Su-30 do fewer of those hence lower star number so they are harder to spot on photos.

They still need to shoot down a combat plane for a real kill mark.

ult wrote:

http://russianplanes.net/id181338

This pic is PERFECTION!!! Long exposition for that background, this guy is real artist!!!

PapaDragon wrote:

They do and they have but it takes 10 combat sorties (where they drop bombs on something). Su-30 do fewer of those hence lower star number so they are harder to spot on photos.

They still need to shoot down a combat plane for a real kill mark.

Not a single Su-30SM in Syria has a star marking. That is a fact. And each one of them made more than 10 combat sorties where they dropped bombs. They are from the fighter regiment (IAP). They can't mark 10 bombing runs with a star. Why do you insist on keep arguing?

PapaDragon wrote:

This pic is PERFECTION!!! Long exposition for that background, this guy is real artist!!!

Yeah, it is a nice shot.


Here is a piece on the Caspian fleet that send cruise missiles into Syria at ISIL targets.

Erk wrote:

Just for the sake of it, it should be mentioned that the clip's cover image shows Tatarstan of proekt 11661, while it is the Tatarstan's half-sister, Dagestan of proekt 11661K, that has the UKSK launcher.

kvs wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Russia killed 792 civilians in Syria and helped displace 130,000: Reports

Three months of Russian air strikes in Syria have killed more than 2,300 people, a third of them civilians, a monitoring group said on Wednesday. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Moscow's strikes on Syria, which began in September, have killed 2,371 people so far. The toll includes 792 civilians, among them 180 children.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russian-strikes-killed-2300-people-helped-displace-130000-syria-reports-916379770#sthash.2fEjqtX8.QnvWhTON.dpuf

Taking SOHR's numbers and adding a good 200 ISIS truck drivers (which are civvies) makes Russia's impact quite effective, with less than 25% innocent civilians dead. Given that this is a war mainly in urban environment, where rebels foolishly keep their families, kids, etc. or use other civvies and related infrastructure (markets, mosques) as human shields.

Why would anyone take the claims by a UK based clown (the so-called "observatory") and his Wahabbi jehadi sources seriously?   This
is the same spigot of excrement that claimed Ghouta was Assad's atrocity.   It was actually a jihadi false flag and these same jihadis
are still using chemical weapons today.  

Don't you love how a dude -- one guy who's not even there -- qualifies as an "observatory"? The only thing that still amazes me about Western propaganda is how blatant and sloppy it is now. They just don't give a shit about credibility any longer. I can only guess it's because they believe the capacity for discernment of the average person is completely negligible.