Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

Militarov wrote:

calm wrote:

Militarov wrote:Ah, i missed that one.
Soo... one FAB-500...

Finally Adm. Kuznetsov's Su-33 with 2 x  FAB-500 M54 but RT ruined all showing a Su-25 (not deployed in Syria) performing airstrike...

https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/798864146821509122

So two it is.

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:........

RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30).

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30).

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:........

RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30).

So?

par far wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30).

NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.

KiloGolf wrote:

par far wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30).

NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.

Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.

KiloGolf wrote:............

Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.

par far wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

par far wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30).

NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.

Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.

It does matter what the "Alliance" has in the Mediterranean Sea, if they attack Russian assets, they will be blown to pieces.  

PapaDragon wrote:Yes but as always that would lead to nuke apocalypse. This situation with two fleets sailing around each other is now what it has always been: dick measuring contest with no relevant effect on ultimate outcome should whole thing turn hot.

Big metal tubs floating around for amusement of the masses and defense budget comities.

Now let's all go back on topic shall we? Nelson and Ushakov had their day. Welcome to the present.

KiloGolf wrote:..........

PapaDragon wrote:Yes but as always that would lead to nuke apocalypse. This situation with two fleets sailing around each other is now what it has always been: dick measuring contest with no relevant effect on ultimate outcome should whole thing turn hot.

Big metal tubs floating around for amusement of the masses and defense budget comities.

Now let's all go back on topic shall we? Nelson and Ushakov had their day. Welcome to the present.

Agreed. I take your last sentence is surely not aimed at me. With which I do agree.

JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.



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PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.



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These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some...

Militarov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.

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These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some...

It needs a paintjob badly tho.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.

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These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some...

It needs a paintjob badly tho.

That is the 'functional' colour scheme!

I seem to remember that one of them 'retired' for a few weeks and then reappeared freshly painted. Given their history their work rate has been nothing short of amazing.

d_taddei2 wrote:we've seen and heard of Su-33 carrying out bombing missions, but nothing of the Mig-29K doing any bombing, or any Ka-52K attacking targets in Latakia, any news i have missed? or anyone know of anything on this?

KiloGolf wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:we've seen and heard of Su-33 carrying out bombing missions, but nothing of the Mig-29K doing any bombing, or any Ka-52K attacking targets in Latakia, any news i have missed? or anyone know of anything on this?

I bet after ditching that Fulcrum in the Med they grounded them all.

This is what I would expect to be supplied to Syria from third countries without count Russia (Iran surely has a key role). It is more about what Syria can have than about what Syria needs. With big Armed Forces to supply, this what Syria can find at the lowest price to avoid to send their soldiers to fight only with civil trucks and portable/man-portable weapons. In most of the cases the number of units available in the continental Asia would be low.

Heavy Towed Weapons:

076mm ZIS-3
152mm ML-20
160mm M-43
152mm D-1
085mm D-44
122mm M-30
160mm M-160
085mm D-48
057mm S-60
122mm D-74
130mm M-46
152mm D-20
SA-2
SA-5
082mm Vasilek (also from Russia)
023mm ZU-23-2 (also from Russia)
SA-3

Mobile Land Warfare:

100mm SU-100
240mm BM-24
T-34
BTR-40
PT-76
BTR-50
SA-9
085mm ASU-85

Air Warfare:

Il-28 (H-5)
MiG-15 (FT-2)
MiG-17 (FT-5)
Tu-16 (H-6)
MiG-19 (J-6, F-6, Q-5, A-5, FT-6,...)

This is what I would expect to see moved to Syria from the Russian Armed Forces:

023mm 1960 ZU-23-2 (Until to be totally exhausted in the Russian Armed Forces).
082mm 1970 Vasilek (Until to be totally exhausted in the Russian Armed Forces).

Iveco LMV (Until to be totally exhausted in the Russian Armed Forces. It would continue present in other non-military Russian security forces).

152mm 1975 Giatsint-B
120mm 1986 Nona-K
122mm 1960 D-30
100mm 1961 (M)T-12
152mm 1987 Msta-B

Su-25
BM-21

And this is what I would expect to see moved to Syria from other Russian security forces:

122mm 1960 D-30 (Until to be totally exhausted in the Russian security forces).

MI-24/25/35 (Until to be totally exhausted in the Russian security forces).
Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35 (Until to be totally exhausted in the Russian security forces).

BPM-97
Vodnik

It is possible that the third movement has been completed at this point.
The main reasons to include the Su-25 and the helicopters would be that Russia may want to tranfer to Syria the riskiest operations of air support and the transfer of this warfare to do it, would have very low effect in the capabilities of the Russian Aerospace Forces (the helicopters even are not part of their warfare).

KiloGolf wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:we've seen and heard of Su-33 carrying out bombing missions, but nothing of the Mig-29K doing any bombing, or any Ka-52K attacking targets in Latakia, any news i have missed? or anyone know of anything on this?

I bet after ditching that Fulcrum in the Med they grounded them all.