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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10
VladimirSahin- Posts : 408
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That would be stupid if that's the case, no experience can be gained by the carrier operations. Anyways this whole Kuznetsov operation will serve valuable for future carriers.
Vann7- Posts : 5385
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It makes more sense to fly from Syria than from the aircraft carrier. since any plane that takeoff
from the aircraft carrier can only carry 20% or bit more of its load capacity in weapons.
kvs- Posts : 15617
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Vann7 wrote:
It makes more sense to fly from Syria than from the aircraft carrier. since any plane that takeoff
from the aircraft carrier can only carry 20% or bit more of its load capacity in weapons.
Very good point. All those yapping about how Russia is failing to "learn" carrier operations are full of it.
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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kvs wrote:Vann7 wrote:
It makes more sense to fly from Syria than from the aircraft carrier. since any plane that takeoff
from the aircraft carrier can only carry 20% or bit more of its load capacity in weapons.
Very good point. All those yapping about how Russia is failing to "learn" carrier operations are full of it.
Why? They failed in the short-term. The sailed half way around the globe, lost a plane and the carrier is now disabled for fixed-wing use.
That's hardly an accomplishment and beats the point of deploying a carrier in the first place.
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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KiloGolf wrote:kvs wrote:Vann7 wrote:
It makes more sense to fly from Syria than from the aircraft carrier. since any plane that takeoff
from the aircraft carrier can only carry 20% or bit more of its load capacity in weapons.
Very good point. All those yapping about how Russia is failing to "learn" carrier operations are full of it.
Why? They failed in the short-term. The sailed half way around the globe, lost a plane and the carrier is now disabled for fixed-wing use.
That's hardly an accomplishment and beats the point of deploying a carrier in the first place.
Let me now review this, so according to the reports, the Mig29 that crashed did so because it was out of fuel...because it was loitering while the deck crew was trying to fix the second arresting cable that snapped after first wave of landings?
There's a huge individual failure at the helm of the Kuz which cost them a lot. There clearly an issue with the leadership, which may or may not be related with the culture of secrecy that still prevails within the Russian military. Basically IMO this is clearly a logistics issue made worse by lack of preparedness of of the commander and communication flaws within the echelons.
That's a bigger issue than failing "in short term', you can repair the hooking cable, you can even procure a new mig, but you can't mend these C2 flaws and echelon problems.
NB: But at least we know now that the Mig29 wasn't at fault, so yeah that got cleared up at least.
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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Something special tonight.
T72B/89 gets attacked twice, with one grazing shot and a direct hit on hull. On both counts the hits looks very underwhelming. First hit is clearly a miss, the second is a hit without aftermath, although there's K5 on the hull area attacked.
Suqur al Sahara is showing poor awareness though.
grazing shot. Hits dirt first. Miss.
Full contact shot, Hull, no secondary.
T72B/89 gets attacked twice, with one grazing shot and a direct hit on hull. On both counts the hits looks very underwhelming. First hit is clearly a miss, the second is a hit without aftermath, although there's K5 on the hull area attacked.
Suqur al Sahara is showing poor awareness though.
grazing shot. Hits dirt first. Miss.
Full contact shot, Hull, no secondary.
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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KoTeMoRe wrote:Something special tonight.
T72B/89 gets attacked twice, with one grazing shot and a direct hit on hull. On both counts the hits looks very underwhelming. First hit is clearly a miss, the second is a hit without aftermath, although there's K5 on the hull area attacked.
Suqur al Sahara is showing poor awareness though.
grazing shot. Hits dirt first. Miss.
Full contact shot, Hull, no secondary.
Nothing happened, no penetration. Although the crew may suffer light injuries. Video cuts short for a reason.
Crew's SA is terrible
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VladimirSahin- Posts : 408
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Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
OminousSpudd- Posts : 942
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KoTeMoRe wrote:Something special tonight.
T72B/89
T-72B/89? T-72B 1989?
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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VladimirSahin wrote:Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
First hit was probably a graze and the crew went out to avoid potential cook off instead of conducting BDA. Then idiot TC gets inside and tried probably to conduct BDA and Counterfire.
Enter second TOW hit. Which amounted to same result and TC getting out (end of the video). It's simply idiots too scared to conduct actual basic battle tasks.
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In very general terms, and putting aside airpower in this case, the history of Arab battlefield defeats is a history of failure to properly use tanks. IDF should have been wiped out at "Valley of Tears" by Syrians, but they inflicted crushing defeat due to superior skills. It was same for Egyptians towards end of 1973 war when they could not withstand General Tal and his tank brigade. Why they have not learnt these very hard and bitter lessons is a mystery, tho SAA have shown great skills using tanks in urban warfare, so they have the ability, but.....VladimirSahin wrote:Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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Khepesh wrote:In very general terms, and putting aside airpower in this case, the history of Arab battlefield defeats is a history of failure to properly use tanks. IDF should have been wiped out at "Valley of Tears" by Syrians, but they inflicted crushing defeat due to superior skills. It was same for Egyptians towards end of 1973 war when they could not withstand General Tal and his tank brigade. Why they have not learnt these very hard and bitter lessons is a mystery, tho SAA have shown great skills using tanks in urban warfare, so they have the ability, but.....VladimirSahin wrote:Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
Tanks have no business in this kind of warfare. Badly concealed tanks even less. They're throwing direct fire with those tanks instead of clearing out nests, we have talked about this. They just don't have the time to properly learn as this war is dragging on and SA needs to be 100% 100% of time.
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Strike on SAA position, mistake.
#Syria #Aleppo Hamza Soud Hamza & Fatma Hassan Ahmed Olba Martyred as #RuAF #Russia Mistakenly Hit #Zahra W/ 4 Cluster Raids & Other Missile
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wo parts of a rocket that hit #Zahra town which belongs allegedly to #RuAF
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#Syria #Aleppo Hamza Soud Hamza & Fatma Hassan Ahmed Olba Martyred as #RuAF #Russia Mistakenly Hit #Zahra W/ 4 Cluster Raids & Other Missile
![Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10 - Page 30 CyTN-TbXUAAkuuv](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyTN-TbXUAAkuuv.jpg)
wo parts of a rocket that hit #Zahra town which belongs allegedly to #RuAF
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VladimirSahin- Posts : 408
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KoTeMoRe wrote:VladimirSahin wrote:Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
First hit was probably a graze and the crew went out to avoid potential cook off instead of conducting BDA. Then idiot TC gets inside and tried probably to conduct BDA and Counterfire.
Enter second TOW hit. Which amounted to same result and TC getting out (end of the video). It's simply idiots too scared to conduct actual basic battle tasks.
Seems so. I can't blame him, he's fighting the war not me.
VladimirSahin- Posts : 408
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Khepesh wrote:In very general terms, and putting aside airpower in this case, the history of Arab battlefield defeats is a history of failure to properly use tanks. IDF should have been wiped out at "Valley of Tears" by Syrians, but they inflicted crushing defeat due to superior skills. It was same for Egyptians towards end of 1973 war when they could not withstand General Tal and his tank brigade. Why they have not learnt these very hard and bitter lessons is a mystery, tho SAA have shown great skills using tanks in urban warfare, so they have the ability, but.....VladimirSahin wrote:Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
Well yeah the Arabs make a lot of mistakes in war fighting. Not a lack of courage, but lack of tactics and military education, and sometimes even common sense.
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VladimirSahin wrote:Khepesh wrote:In very general terms, and putting aside airpower in this case, the history of Arab battlefield defeats is a history of failure to properly use tanks. IDF should have been wiped out at "Valley of Tears" by Syrians, but they inflicted crushing defeat due to superior skills. It was same for Egyptians towards end of 1973 war when they could not withstand General Tal and his tank brigade. Why they have not learnt these very hard and bitter lessons is a mystery, tho SAA have shown great skills using tanks in urban warfare, so they have the ability, but.....VladimirSahin wrote:Wtf did that T-72B just survive a TOW to the hull? You know they could have totally spotted that goat molester after he shot if they had some infantry on watch. Why wasn't the T-72B moving after it got hit? Maybe the TOW did penetrate, it probably didn't hit the auto loader.
Well yeah the Arabs make a lot of mistakes in war fighting. Not a lack of courage, but lack of tactics and military education, and sometimes even common sense.
Makes me wonder how Arabs defeated the Persians and Byzantines in the 600s..,
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Is this the tail fin of a Russian missile/rocket/bomb?calm wrote:Strike on SAA position, mistake.
wo parts of a rocket that hit #Zahra town which belongs allegedly to #RuAF
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Russia plans to build second runway at Hmeim and expand Tartus port infrastructure
http://twower.livejournal.com/2038200.html
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OminousSpudd wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Something special tonight.
T72B/89
T-72B/89? T-72B 1989?
Yes, obr.1989g
calm- Posts : 1484
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ZU-23-2 23mm autocannon with Ammunition in Hmeymim AB ready to airdrop for SAA garrison in Deir-Ezzor.
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Putin Orders Sending Mobile Hospitals to Assist Residents of Syria's Aleppo
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611291047967338-russia-syria-aleppo-field/
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Putin Orders Sending Mobile Hospitals to Assist Residents of Syria's Aleppo
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611291047967338-russia-syria-aleppo-field/
Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered sending mobile field hospitals to Aleppo in order to provide immediate medical assistance, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered sending mobile field hospitals to provide immediate medical assistance to residents of Syria's embattled city of Aleppo and its neighborhoods, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday. "The president has ordered the Defense ministry and the Emergencies Ministry to send mobile hospitals to provide medical assistance to residents of Aleppo and nearby settlements," Peskov told reporters. According to Peskov, the Defense Ministry will send a special medical unit equipped with a multipurpose hospital for 100 patients, which has a children ward, while the Emergencies Ministry will send a mobile field hospital for 50 patients, which can also provide ambulatory treatment for some 200 people per day.
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Ah, I see. Thanks.Militarov wrote:OminousSpudd wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Something special tonight.
T72B/89
T-72B/89? T-72B 1989?
Yes, obr.1989g
KiloGolf- Posts : 2481
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Greeks Refuse EU Demand to Stop Russian Fuel Tankers
Russian naval destroyer Smetlivy is docked at the port of Piraeus where it will take part in an event
connected with the Russian-Greek year of culture near Athens, Greece, Oct. 30, 2016. Source: Reuters
Dimitrios Velanis, the special advisor on Russian relations to the Greek prime minister, told Russian news agency RIA Novosti that Greece will not take any action against Russia should Russian tankers carrying fuel for the country’s air forces in Syria travel through Greek territorial waters.
“We know that Russian planes bomb terrorists, and not the Syrian people, unlike what is written in several Western news sources. To say that Russia is attacking peaceful ideals is 100 percent false. The Western media does not portray what is really happening, and similarly there is plenty of propaganda against Russia. But the Greek people understand this,”
On Friday Nov. 25 a source in the Greek Ministry of Defense reported that Russian Navy ships may be able to refuel in Greek ports.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/greece-permit-transit-russian-tankers/ri17879
If that's no wink-wink I don't know what it is. Give em hell boys.
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EDIT: November 26th Aleppo allegedly
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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Militarov wrote:
EDIT: November 26th Aleppo allegedly
Southeastern Aleppo.
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KoTeMoRe wrote:Militarov wrote:
EDIT: November 26th Aleppo allegedly
Southeastern Aleppo.
Is it me btw or that barrel looks abit... roasted?
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