Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

Disantnik, local unit in Kosachka Region next to 35th Battery on southwest side. That's two locals we've lost there, the boy who was killed during the pilot rescue was from the same unit but don't know if it was same Rota. They rotate in and out for some OJT.

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RUSSIA DEPLOYED FOUR NEW SU-34 FIGHTER BOMBERS TO HMEIMIM AIR BASE


According to media reports, the Russian military reinforced its air force group at the Hmeimim Air Base near the city of Jableh with four additional Su-34 fighter bombers.

The warplanes were escorted by Tu-154 aircraft, a method used by the Russian Aerospace Forces for transporting warplanes to Syria. The Tu-154 is used as a guide for other fighters throughout the way, and may be used to hide the bombers from the American radars in the Persian Gulf and Iraq.

The Russian fighter jets deployed in Hmeimim continued carrying out multiple airstrikes on terrorist positions throughout Syria.


On April 23, the Russian Aerospace Forces paid a special attention to the militant-held town of Lataminah and provided a close-air-support to the Syrian Arab Army in the Hama offensive.

Russian jets carried out a number of raids pounding ISIS positions in Deir Ezzorr and in the vicinity of Palmyra.

The deployment of the four additional bombers brings the number of Su-34 bombers in Syria up to 12/

The Russian air force group deployed in Hmeimim reportedly includes 12 Su-24M2 bombers, four Su-30SM fighters, four Su-35 fighters and four close air support Su-25sm fighter jets along with a range of service aircrafts.

Source: https://southfront.org/russia-deployed-four-new-su-34-bombers-to-hmeimim-air-base/

SAA needs Zoopark 1M counter battery radars to knock out rebel artillery. Without artillery, the war will end in a matter of months.

JohninMK wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:SAA needs Zoopark 1M counter battery radars to knock out rebel artillery. Without artillery, the war will end in a matter of months.

Given the amount of Russian gear using Syria as a testbed don't you think that either it is there already or the Russian Army has decided that there is no function for it there?

Gee. I don't know. What are the Russians doing in Syria? Maybe to prolong the war for Russia's BFF Israel.

VKS continues daily blacksmithing in North Hama (ODAB)

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Russian military engineers are using Scarabey and Sfera newest robotic complexes in Palmyra"

JohninMK wrote:So much for 4 extra Su-34, this from Sputnik

Russia has withdrawn almost half of its air grouping originally based at the Hmeymim facility in Syria, the Russian General Staff said Wednesday.

"The number of terrorist units has decreased, which allowed us to withdraw almost half of the aircraft based at the Hmeymim airbase," chief of the Main Operational Directorate Col. Gen. Sergei Rudskoi said at the VI Moscow Conference on International Security.

Rudskoi revealed that the Russian air group never exceeded 35 aircraft between November 10, 2016 and January 10, 2017. As for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), now Russia is operating about 80 drones in Syria, he added.

He stressed that an analysis has shown that the Russian Aerospace Forces have conducted four times more airstrikes than the US-led coalition despite having fewer aircraft.

Russia's goal is to prolong the war in Syria indefinitely. A war torn Syria is good for Israel. Russia is buddy buddy with Israel. That's why Russia refuses to deploy long range artillery and counter battery radars to Syria to quickly end the war within a month.

JohninMK wrote:So much for 4 extra Su-34, this from Sputnik

Russia has withdrawn almost half of its air grouping originally based at the Hmeymim facility in Syria, the Russian General Staff said Wednesday.

"The number of terrorist units has decreased, which allowed us to withdraw almost half of the aircraft based at the Hmeymim airbase," chief of the Main Operational Directorate Col. Gen. Sergei Rudskoi said at the VI Moscow Conference on International Security.

Rudskoi revealed that the Russian air group never exceeded 35 aircraft between November 10, 2016 and January 10, 2017. As for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), now Russia is operating about 80 drones in Syria, he added.

He stressed that an analysis has shown that the Russian Aerospace Forces have conducted four times more airstrikes than the US-led coalition despite having fewer aircraft.

Maybe it is just just a rotation.

ultimatewarrior wrote:

JohninMK wrote:So much for 4 extra Su-34, this from Sputnik

Russia has withdrawn almost half of its air grouping originally based at the Hmeymim facility in Syria, the Russian General Staff said Wednesday.

"The number of terrorist units has decreased, which allowed us to withdraw almost half of the aircraft based at the Hmeymim airbase," chief of the Main Operational Directorate Col. Gen. Sergei Rudskoi said at the VI Moscow Conference on International Security.

Rudskoi revealed that the Russian air group never exceeded 35 aircraft between November 10, 2016 and January 10, 2017. As for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), now Russia is operating about 80 drones in Syria, he added.

He stressed that an analysis has shown that the Russian Aerospace Forces have conducted four times more airstrikes than the US-led coalition despite having fewer aircraft.

Russia's goal is to prolong the war in Syria indefinitely. A war torn Syria is good for Israel. Russia is buddy buddy with Israel. That's why Russia refuses to deploy long range artillery and counter battery radars to Syria to quickly end the war within a month.

Can be ban this troll.

If Russia really was buddy buddy with Israel it would simply withdraw from Syria.

The result would be the syrian moderate terrorists would win, but they are not a unified group... they are hundreds if not thousands of factions with no unity except to get rid of Assad.

The result would be worse chaos than there is currently in Libya... which is exactly what Israel and the US and Saudi Arabia and Qatar want... so Qatar can put a pipeline from the Middle East to Europe through Iraq and Syria to Turkey... and pressure can be placed on Iran without Syria supporting it, its position would be much more difficult.

Russia knows the only chance for a stable future for Syria is to keep Assad in power for now.

Assad is no best buddy of Russia... in fact for quite some time before they turned on him he was getting rather friendly with the west.

Assisting in the destruction of ISIS or Daesh will benefit Russia because it keeps those aholes busy and it is easier to bomb their positions from 10k up in Syria than hunt them down in the Caucasus region.

It is also a great place to test new systems they have been developing, and to intimidate the west... the Calibr system has never been secret as such, but the west hasn't really thought through the implications of its existence until it was actually used for real.

Giving countries an option that does not include having to suck up to the west is a good thing for the world.

And the west wont believe it but it might wake the west up too and therefore wake up that monster... but I am not holding my breath.

Ofcourse Russia is not buddy of Israel, they have totally different goals in Syria. Let's put it simply- Russia is there to stabilise Syria so they will have their client state and last bastion of military bases in Middle East. Fair enough, Syria is very important for Russia regarding terrorists from RF or not. Russia is there to facilitate Assad to win the war. They are not there to fight terrorism, they are not there to put boots on ground, no they are simply helping barely functioning army to win in this exhausting COIN.
Now Israel has different goals. They want to destabilize situation. Isis is not their enemy, I would say there are some shady ties to them as proxy force. But fact is the less stable Syria is better for Israel as it posses less threat to them and they can easily push around divided and exhausted arabs. To destabilize region You don't have to do much. All You need to do is send some money, sure rich arabs do that too, but hey more money more useful fanatical idiots. Also hitting gov positions from time to time using phony pretenses helps too.
Now Russia few years ago had no word in Middle East, but look now. All LOCAL and ESTABLISHED players want to get in DIALOG with Russia. Israel, Turkey, Iraq, Egypt. Sure if Russia went in all guns blazzing with no diplomatic backbone it would be far worse. There are more vicous battles being fought by diplomats and I believe Russia is playing smart game. US is sitting back, watching and learning

Russia is in Syria to make sure the war goes on indefinitely and neither side wins. Or else Russia would deploy ground forces and end the war within a month.

No one going all in except assad to save his state

To go all in risks sparking a conventional war e.g. Iran sends 100000 soldiers then might give pretext for turkey or israel or usa to do same and we all know iran will loose that... so it wont do that. Nato and israel and saudi are looking for openings to really hurt their enemy iran so you dont want to give them one

Russia is doing well perfecting hybrid war / COIN operations to get the job done without stirring a hornets nest. Its also a propaganda/information war going on that needs to be won so using hybrid war / COIN approch is more likely to win that than a george w bush style iraq 2003

Its a long, frustrating war for a reason ... its a war by proxy and you want a vietnam style outcome not a conventional war korea outcome

MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:No one going all in except assad to save his state

To go all in risks sparking a conventional war e.g. Iran sends 100000 soldiers then might give pretext for turkey or israel or usa to do same and we all know iran will loose that... so it wont do that. Nato and israel and saudi are looking for openings to really hurt their enemy iran so you dont want to give them one

Russia is doing well perfecting hybrid war / COIN operations to get the job done without stirring a hornets nest. Its also a propaganda/information war going on that needs to be won so using hybrid war / COIN approch is more likely to win that than a george w bush style iraq 2003

Its a long, frustrating war for a reason ... its a war by proxy and you want a vietnam style outcome not a conventional war korea outcome

Wrong. Russia manufactures hardware. Turkey does not. Saudi Arabia does not. Russia has position of strength. Turkey does not. Saudi Arabia does not. Don't forget who beat Nazis. It sure wasn't Turkey. It sure wasn't Saudi Arabia. Russians must not grow soft. Russians should show them who is boss.

I do not see Russia interested in an international escalation of the war. In the current situation, Russia needs not to increase its presence in Syria. I only would expet to do it, if other countries increase their presence in Syria, as answer. At this point Israel (Golan), Turkey and the US are officially present in Syria, but not in enough amounts to defeat Syria, even not in enough amounts to sustain the front.

eehnie wrote:I do not see Russia interested in an international escalation of the war. In the current situation, Russia needs not to increase its presence in Syria. I only would expet to do it, if other countries increase their presence in Syria, as answer. At this point Israel (Golan), Turkey and the US are officially present in Syria, but not in enough amounts to defeat Syria, even not in enough amounts to sustain the front.

And what happens when SAA runs out of tanks? There are millions of TOW missiles. There aren't millions of tanks. It is not in Russia's interest to drag out the war in Syria indefinitely. Stability in Syria is Russia's interest, not perpetual war. That would play into the hands of Israel and America.

ultimatewarrior wrote:

eehnie wrote:I do not see Russia interested in an international escalation of the war. In the current situation, Russia needs not to increase its presence in Syria. I only would expet to do it, if other countries increase their presence in Syria, as answer. At this point Israel (Golan), Turkey and the US are officially present in Syria, but not in enough amounts to defeat Syria, even not in enough amounts to sustain the front.

And what happens when SAA runs out of tanks? There are millions of TOW missiles. There aren't millions of tanks. It is not in Russia's interest to drag out the war in Syria indefinitely. Stability in Syria is Russia's interest, not perpetual war. That would play into the hands of Israel and America.

There are no millions of TOW missiles. Total production is about 700.000 though almost 50 years of production. Majority of which is long gone by now due to shelf life.

ultimatewarrior wrote:

MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:No one going all in except assad to save his state

To go all in risks sparking a conventional war e.g. Iran sends 100000 soldiers then might give pretext for turkey or israel or usa to do same and we all know iran will loose that... so it wont do that. Nato and israel and saudi are looking for openings to really hurt their enemy iran so you dont want to give them one

Russia is doing well perfecting hybrid war / COIN operations to get the job done without stirring a hornets nest. Its also a propaganda/information war going on that needs to be won so using hybrid war / COIN approch is more likely to win that than a george w bush style iraq 2003

Its a long, frustrating war for a reason ... its a war by proxy and you want a vietnam style outcome not a conventional war korea outcome

Wrong. Russia manufactures hardware. Turkey does not. Saudi Arabia does not. Russia has position of strength. Turkey does not. Saudi Arabia does not. Don't forget who beat Nazis. It sure wasn't Turkey. It sure wasn't Saudi Arabia. Russians must not grow soft. Russians should show them who is boss.

Turkey produces alot of hardware actually, and builds more each year.

ultimatewarrior wrote:

eehnie wrote:I do not see Russia interested in an international escalation of the war. In the current situation, Russia needs not to increase its presence in Syria. I only would expet to do it, if other countries increase their presence in Syria, as answer. At this point Israel (Golan), Turkey and the US are officially present in Syria, but not in enough amounts to defeat Syria, even not in enough amounts to sustain the front.

And what happens when SAA runs out of tanks? There are millions of TOW missiles. There aren't millions of tanks. It is not in Russia's interest to drag out the war in Syria indefinitely. Stability in Syria is Russia's interest, not perpetual war. That would play into the hands of Israel and America.

1.- Syria is still fighting with T-55 and T-62, and looking at the amounts available still, will not have shortage of them in years.
2.- Syria also has man-portable Surface-Surface weapons. The Syrian opposition has today much bigger problems of shortage of tanks.
3.- Stability in Syria is good for Russia with a friend gouvernment. Also stability in Syria is the best for the US and Israel, with a friend gouvernment. Both sides want stability, but the gouvernments they want are the opposite. Today Russia is closer to the success than the US and Israel, despite the TOW missiles.

eehnie wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:

eehnie wrote:I do not see Russia interested in an international escalation of the war. In the current situation, Russia needs not to increase its presence in Syria. I only would expet to do it, if other countries increase their presence in Syria, as answer. At this point Israel (Golan), Turkey and the US are officially present in Syria, but not in enough amounts to defeat Syria, even not in enough amounts to sustain the front.

And what happens when SAA runs out of tanks? There are millions of TOW missiles. There aren't millions of tanks. It is not in Russia's interest to drag out the war in Syria indefinitely. Stability in Syria is Russia's interest, not perpetual war. That would play into the hands of Israel and America.

1.- Syria is still fighting with T-55 and T-62, and looking at the amounts available still, will not have shortage of them in years.
2.- Syria also has man-portable Surface-Surface weapons. The Syrian opposition has today much bigger problems of shortage of tanks.
3.- Stability in Syria is good for Russia with a friend gouvernment. Also stability in Syria is the best for the US and Israel, with a friend gouvernment. Both sides want stability, but the gouvernments they want are the opposite. Today Russia is closer to the success than the US and Israel, despite the TOW missiles.

Almost majority of the tanks when hit by RPG or TOW missiles can be repaired.
Only a minority ends completely destroyed when hits the ammo of the tank.