General Main Battle Tank Technology Thread:

Mike E wrote:K-2 has a horrible reputation online and I still do not know why... Early Leo-2 variants had next to no side turret armor, but the later ones got an add-on NxRA module like the Abrams.

Werewolf wrote:Every tank follows russian/soviet tank designs since decades.
Angled armor non existent on german tanks, later adjusted to what others have done before.
Following russian composite armor use rather than RHA or HHA steel, APS, ERA, smoothbore gun, APFSDS, GLATGM, autoloaders and more all follow the russian tank designs and adopt to russian inventions more then ever was or ever will be the other way around. They still have to catch up to standards that were set quite some time ago.

Mike E wrote:Stripped of side-skirts and ERA...ugh 

Ironic that the Chinese team is in third place too 

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mike E wrote:Stripped of side-skirts and ERA...ugh 

Ironic that the Chinese team is in third place too 

That's the Third different tank as well. I don't get the point though. The 96A is clearly (as the T72) at the end of its developpment. Why not bring the VT-2. At least the Russians would have a different gauge.

Stealthflanker wrote:From A Tarasenko.

Finally a good description plus image of some old Soviet era prototypes. the Ob-490 (Buntar) and OB-477 (Bokser,Molot and Nota)

http://btvt.narod.ru/3/molot.htm

A Russian academic has claimed that an ancient civilisation drove giant all-terrain vehicles across Earth millions of years ago - and that the tracks are still visible today.

Geologist Dr Alexander Koltypin believes that mysterious groove-like markings in the Phrygian Valley of central Turkey were made by an intelligent race between 12 and 14 million years ago.

'We can suppose that ancient vehicles on wheels were drove on soft soil, maybe a wet surface,' he said.

'Because of their weight the ruts were so deep. And later these ruts - and all the surface around - just petrified and secured all the evidence

'Such cases are well known to geologists, for example, the footprints of dinosaurs were 'naturally preserved' in a similar way.'

Dr Koltypin, director of the Natural Science Scientific Research Centre at Moscow's International Independent Ecological-Political University has just returned from a field trip to the site in Anatolia with three colleagues.

He described the markings as 'petrified tracking ruts in rocky tuffaceous [made from compacted volcanic ash] deposits'.
He said: 'All these rocky fields were covered with the ruts left some millions of years ago....we are not talking about human beings.'

'The pairs of ruts are crossing each other from time to time and some ruts are more deep than the others.'

According to his observations, 'the view of the ruts leaves no doubt that they are ancient, in some places the surface suffered from weathering, cracks are seen here'.

The age of the ruts is between 12 and 14 million years old, he believes.

'The methodology of specifying the age of volcanic rocks is very well studied and worked out,' he said.

'As a geologist, I can certainly tell you that unknown antediluvian [pre-Biblical] all-terrain vehicles drove around Central Turkey some 12-to-14 million years ago.'

He claims archaeologists 'avoid touching this matter' because it will 'ruin all their classic theories'.

He said: 'I think we are seeing the signs of the civilisation which existed before the classic creation of this world.
'Maybe the creatures of that pre-civilisation were not like modern human beings. '

He claimed the ancient 'car tracks' are one of a number of clues 'which prove the existence of ancient civilisations' but which are often ignored by mainstream scientists.

Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:It was not a Kornet - it's either a Fagot or a Konkurs. Kornet has a spinning trajectory and flies much faster.

Werewolf wrote:

Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...

Stealthflanker wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...

Those oldies are from 1980's period (1983-1985).. far before Yatagan or Oplot. They're state of the art in that era.  

I wonder how you can call them shame ? They're state of the art in that era.

Godric wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.

Americans have been mocking T-72s getting creamed in Syria and Iraq the big difference is that the T-72s being creamed on video are T-72M1s or otherwise known as the monkey model ( © Book) of the A variant (from the 1970s) .... so any time Yanks slag Russian armor ... we have the proof that their tanks are vastly overrated  .... no crew would have survived that impact we saw on the 2nd one that one of the crew survived  

flamming_python wrote:

Godric wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.

Americans have been mocking T-72s getting creamed in Syria and Iraq the big difference is that the T-72s being creamed on video are T-72M1s or otherwise known as the monkey model ( © Book) of the A variant (from the 1970s) .... so any time Yanks slag Russian armor ... we have the proof that their tanks are vastly overrated  .... no crew would have survived that impact we saw on the 2nd one that one of the crew survived  

Even the best orotected tank can suffer a critical hit on a 20 roll of a d20 die.
1 annihilation doesn't prove much by itself.

Werewolf wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...

Those oldies are from 1980's period (1983-1985).. far before Yatagan or Oplot. They're state of the art in that era.  

I wonder how you can call them shame ? They're state of the art in that era.

He meant, that it is a shame that their reputation is getting destroyed by the stupid and blatant use by 404 zombies.

Werewolf wrote:Well at least a good balance is the ukrops are destroying reputation of T-64 and T-80 while Saudis and Arabic Emirates are destroying those of M1A2 and Leclerc, maybe they will go full retard and destroy reputation of Leopard 2A6/a7 aswell.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Well at least a good balance is the ukrops are destroying reputation of T-64 and T-80 while Saudis and Arabic Emirates are destroying those of M1A2 and Leclerc, maybe they will go full retard and destroy reputation of Leopard 2A6/a7 aswell.

The Leopard has it coming though, it stores a quarter of its rounds on the front hull. 3 o'clock shot gets you bingo time. Given how Konkurs is really showing off, God forbid Kornet ever set sights on these western "wunderwaffe". Oh well Karma has communist Bias!

Godric wrote:

admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??

Stealthflanker wrote:

Godric wrote:

admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??

Yes..that's very weird. I wonder why Saudis didn't learned from what happened to Iraqi's Abrams.