- You, together with experts working on proposals for the development strategy for the next political cycle. Are these proposals?
- Expert's Suggestions are ready in full. We offer draft Strategy of modernization of public institutions and the economy. In agreement with the administration, we will present it to the President personally, this should happen in May.
- This will happen at the meeting of the Expert Group or in any other format?
- It will be a meeting of the president, whom he had to invite him, I find it hard to say, but at this meeting he will personally get acquainted with our offer.
- Publish your proposals you are not planning Prior to this meeting?
- Moreover, we have it all will not submit to the general public, because we are talking about the president's strategy, and the president will hold a great job with his staff to determine what experts offer he shares what proposals he would be able to agree with major groups in society. The strategy should be a document that brings together the different layers of the population. It must be demanded by the country, so I think that the presidential administration, a lot of work to create a real strategy based on the suggestions of experts. Strategy - a policy document, the president should it completely separate, so it may be something to add or exclude something.
Investment in human capital
- What could be the rallying point for different social groups?
- The strategy consists of three main priorities and multiple projects. The main priorities - people, technology, and public administration. A task that has been set by the President, - to achieve growth rates above the global average, that is 3.5% or higher. We analyzed all the possibilities of Russia on capacity growth in the current conditions in the next six years. This is a very difficult task, but it is solvable. It can be solved, if we draw a number of structural reforms. All of these reforms, we have registered. We consider them verified, realistic, not painful in general, but it requires certain changes and drastic measures. Maybe it will be necessary from something familiar and refuse to do something new. In this regard, we have been able, in my opinion, to create a system of measures, which will make it. The main challenge that faces the country - it is productivity growth based on new technologies. For six years, all the changes that will occur in the world in industries, occupations, yet will not seem so grand. But after six years, we will see significant changes in production methods, in technology, in the professions, in the requirements for people skills. And if we have these six years will not qualify, we will not restructure themselves, that then we will be left with nothing, we do not have time for those trends that are developing in the world. We are not saved as a technological power. On the other hand, it will also be a period of investment in human. It's really different, more attentive to the person, since his birth, school, preschool, in terms of its ability, in terms of learning new skills in a changing world. This has not happened in Russian history. It will be necessary not only to imbue people with the knowledge and provide them with the skills that they whole life will be more successful, effective and efficient. The discovery of talents or abilities - the major problem, but it will need to spend a lot more money. In this regard, we believe that it is necessary to 0.8% of GDP spending on education. This should be done gradually, not in the first year, but to raise the cost of this new level in six years.
- At that these funds should be spent?
- Our universities must be equipped with the most advanced technical means. Recent advances in robotics, biotechnology, genetics, have become a common practice for students and teachers. One hundred and fifty universities in the country should have all the core competencies in the most modern industries. Another part of our educational program is associated with a significant improvement in secondary special education, colleges need to make high-tech, multi-functional and multi-disciplinary. We have thought, as the people who will not study in the best universities, will also receive the latest skills. These universities have become centers of production, promotion and dissemination of new technologies in their regions. All this chain we seriously have registered in our proposals, that another life of our science and education.
- You are here do not see the risk of a deep social division between those who will study at the elite universities and versatile college?
- Firstly, we do not limit ourselves to supporting 150 universities. These 150 - this is the most advanced. Will universities that perform different tasks - is, for example, the training of engineers for housing and communal services, which will also be a lot of new technologies. But the question of educational inequality is solved by other methods. We believe that regardless of the fact that you graduated from the elite university or college, you will be able to continue to learn in the other, including in the elite universities. This is an ongoing process of selection. An area where you can get the latest knowledge will expand significantly. Today there are advanced colleges by large companies, where people learn the most modern professions. This experience we offer to develop. As part of secondary vocational education, we have significantly expanded the business involved in the financing and support of the college. We want to join the state's involvement and support for companies where necessary to prepare specific expertise to the specific needs of industries and regions. In the Northern (Arctic) Federal University in Arkhangelsk, where I am the chairman of the Board of Trustees, we work with such companies already spend. For university tasks we are working with the company to create a series of laboratories for research in petroleum, pulp and paper, forest industry, we try to make students came to the latest technologies. The company help us to finance this.
- What are the structural reforms you have to offer in education? Remain whether the existing institutions - ministries, research institutions, the Academy of Sciences?
- Of course, we have analyzed the quality of these institutions, schools, universities and their ability to maintain the level of education. Here is an important example that we analyzed: currently 25% of our graduates can not pass the international test on functional literacy. It turns out that fighting for a great number of people at the same time we have a very low educational potential. A quarter of students can not complete the task within the framework of basic skills, which gives the school. This problem exists in all countries, but in developed countries is between 5% and 8%, and we have - 25%. That is, we lose their potential in education.
- Why is this happening? Maybe they have the job easier?
- Tasks have become more complex, but there are a few others learn, there are other methods of education. Other countries are trying to develop critical thinking, social practices, and project-based approach. The student or the student himself must make a few projects on their own to come up with each project and provide all the necessary components. It should become fully independent in their project work. the world is now in demand by those who prepare their own solve the problem. It changes the mentality of citizens, developing the ability to become more independent, creative. Most of the leading universities in the world have strict requirements for the development of critical thinking. It is very developed in the debates in schools and universities, there are bound to argue with the teachers. My faculty of St. Petersburg University just has these methods in Russia. I would like to tell about another program - a fundamental change in the training and retraining of adults. Now one in five adults learn, and we need to studied every second. We also need to increase the supply of such training on the market. Training after university should be continuous. A person should be retrained on average every three years. It must be a constant practice, when you take courses every year for two or three weeks, with the help of the enterprise or for their money, and in his spare time, and acquire new, more modern competence in computer science, management and negotiations.
- What profession for six years could disappear? For example, many say that will soon disappear accountancy profession.
- it does not disappear after six years, but many calculations will become more and more automated. Someday, no longer have to manually count the balance of enterprises. Even taxes are considered robots, and we remove the entire scope of problems in the area of tax calculation and collection of fines.
- What kind of profession, on the contrary, will be in demand?
- In the next six years we will need several times more programmers to the processes of digitalization of all sectors. Russia is still not ready for it at all. That is, even if we ever wake up and realize the digitalization of the scale, such a large number of programmers, which is necessary for such a scale we have not. Therefore, we need to increase the training of programmers in the coming years to achieve these objectives. And if I said that in 2024 to be completed in the main digitization of the leading sectors, it means that it is necessary to directly today to start to solve the problem in the universities. But universities have not yet felt that demand, and the company did not understand in what world they have already passed, that after three or four years, they will be nothing to catch. Many other countries have already realized this and key performance indicators in the training program for professionals in all industries have set ourselves.
Increase life expectancy
- In addition to education, what other investments in human assume your suggestions?
- An important part of our proposals with regard to health. Without improving the health and active longevity we will not have high productivity in the country. A person who will live in the future will have more opportunities through new technologies, medicine, surveillance and different procedures to be more healthy. Our country is badly needed, because we, unfortunately, have the highest number of deaths among men of working age. Infant mortality have three times higher than in neighboring Finland.
- You mentioned the increase in life expectancy. In this context, how should increase the average age of the Russians?
- The average age of the total increase to 76 years, and now we have 71.4.
- You said that your proposal is to increase funding for education to 0.8% of GDP. As far as health care costs will be increased? What other areas do you propose to increase funding?
- At 0.7% of GDP, too, for six years. Road construction and agriculture, the creation of new highways, the introduction of modern technologies in the transport, we also propose to increase funding to 0.8% of GDP.
- And due to what you propose to increase spending?
- Some of these measures have already been budgeted for, such as a reduction in defense spending. We do not argue with that. We offer this level of security in the future. We also offer a reduction in total public spending.
MITIGATION budget rules
- What other measures do you propose to ensure that the increase in health and education spending?
- We propose to mitigate the fiscal rule, increasing inherent in it the price of oil from $ 40 to $ 45, it should give about 0.5% of GDP and about half a percent of GDP deficit target increase. That is not to reduce it to 1% of GDP, as envisaged now and save at the level of 1.5% of GDP.
- Do you offer the Ministry of Finance to give up the goal of the federal budget deficit at 1% of GDP over three years?
- The price of balancing the budget has always been above $ 80 per barrel and reached $ 110. When we were at the peak of oil prices, I said that to have a deficit of above 1% of GDP is dangerous, because if the oil price drops sharply, the deficit immediately could reach 5%, as it was in 2009. But if we assume oil prices of $ 45 per barrel, the decline may not be large. So on prices, which are now developed, it can be softer to do in relation to deficit. The previous peak we lived on huge risks - have yet the budget deficit was just wrong at high prices such. And now reasonable.
- You have always been a supporter of hard and fast rules in the expenditure budget. You change this position?
- If today we do not want to raise the business tax for a period of regrowth, I think that these steps are compromises and quite reasonable. In some lose, something to win. But most wins. Secondly, if we do not invest in infrastructure, education, health care, then we can not go to the current economic model. If we lose these six years, we are likely to be difficult to catch up. Oddly enough, we now come to the point where the next six years are the most important, decisive in the industrial revolution. It started. If we have tighten their participation in it, Russia risks losing the role of technological power.
- What do provide your suggestions to the Russian industry was the participant chains of new technologies?
- A fair question. Firstly, we need to learn to use technology created by others, to create conditions for the exchange of technology and investment in already existing technologies that raise productivity significantly. Second, to create conditions to ensure that we ourselves have created technology such that each enterprise itself to seek new opportunities to use both attracted and new technologies. But innovation - it's not just technology. Innovation - is also new solutions in the management and organization of labor. Roughly speaking, the same 3D-printer is changing the structure of the plant and the entire control system. Modern Internet technologies are changing entire industries control system. As a result, you need fewer people, and decisions are made based on the study of large databases. When I speak about innovation and technology, I also have in mind the new control technology, and here Russia has a very good potential. For example, there is a Russian company that has created a completely new innovative model of management of production of the new Airbus model in Europe. Such control technologies not found anywhere else in the world.
- What part of your proposals dedicated to the digital economy?
- We believe that all of the critical infrastructure in the country - in transport, construction, health, education, public administration - have to go through the full digitalization by 2024.
HOW TO KEEP SAVING
- You are talking about the budget rule in the oil price of $ 45 per barrel of oil. You have become more optimistic about the price of oil?
- No, my prediction is preserved: the oil price will move in the range of $ 40-60 per barrel in the next four to five years. It will be during the establishment of a new equilibrium. Even if the price goes below $ 40, then we will be able to safely carry out the level of expenditure, which is calculated at $ 45. We have reserves and sovereign wealth funds. In the end, you can borrow in the market at reasonable levels. But I think that the oil price will be $ 45 and above, taking into account all the risks a reasonable compromise on the budget. One of the questions is not only the budget, but the fact that we give the market more currency, which means that the market will be 0.5% of GDP higher currency. But the impact of such currency at the exchange rate is not as great. The problem is not that the ruble pereukreplen. The main thing that was not great volatility in oil prices and the ruble. The main problem - is the volatility, of course, not the level.
- So you do not agree with the fact that the end of the year, the ruble will weaken to 68 rubles per dollar, as the Ministry of Economic Development says? What is your forecast?
- With the current oil price of the ruble will weaken a bit, maybe a little more than 60 rubles per dollar. I think that with the current price of around $ 56 per barrel, the ruble could be a little weaker. If the level of oil prices continues, the exchange rate will weaken slightly.
- Now everything is actively discussing a new instrument - federal loan bonds to the public. For example, German Gref has already bought the bonds. And you?
- I'm not supposed to participate in this arrangement. But I believe that it is a normal tool for those who can invest more than three years. Rate is higher than on bank deposits. When the maximum occupancy for three years a major positive effect comes closer to the end of the third year, as the coupon rate increases. The whole effect can be obtained if you have reached the end. OFZ for the population - this is not the Extremely urgent amounts for repayment of the budget deficit, but this element of the policy of development of a new market, and from this point of view, this is correct. It is also increasing the financial literacy of the population, which will further stimulate activity of the population present on the investment market.
- What's to keep their savings are now taking into account the ruble and oil prices?
- I have always talked about a simple model - in dollars, euros and rubles to the same extent. Although today I would add - and in government bonds.
Reform of the courts, and public administration
- What reforms are assumed to be in the public administration?
- I have already said about technology, about the man, his opportunities and models of education, but another important area - it is governance. Without government restructuring, technology changes in the government, changing the order of the set does not work professionals.
- whether the reduction of the state apparatus is assumed in your proposals?
- We are now with RANHiGS rebuilding civil servants training system for new tasks, this process has already begun. In addition, the need to change the requirements for recruitment. Now this is a random, chaotic process. We must have a more slender, a strict system of selection and training, as well as a system of key performance indicators. That is, we build the whole network moves in relation to public administration. As a result, the State Administration of population decline and increase in efficiency at times.
- What are the reform of power structures do you offer?
- In the field of criminal law need some decriminalization because of petty crimes do not need people to sit for so long that they were arrested and kept in jail for a long time before the investigation. We believe that it is possible to decriminalize a number of crimes, increasing administrative fines. In the law enforcement part of it is more about accountability of law enforcement agencies, which should better reflect the results that they can not be distorted. Much work is carried out on the crime statistics, has reported to the president. We also participated in the examination and work in this direction. Now we are going to see more objectively the work of law enforcement agencies, which will allow us to more effectively respond to the situation in the criminal world, and understand the crime situation. For example, according to a survey we conducted, half of the citizens does not go to the police about the crimes that are committed against them. Of course, this is not the most serious crimes, but half of the citizens is not just about addressing. Of those who apply, and it's about 7 million people, only 2 million cases of criminal proceedings. I think that in the case if they agree with our findings, we have a list of measures that need to be taken to rectify the situation.
- Will your suggestions separate political unit?
- The implementation of all these measures, there is a question of trust. In our view, the implementation of these proposals significantly raise confidence in the authorities and policies. If the strategy meets with distrust, many of its proposals are not perceived or will be met with incomprehension. If the strategy will be presented as an interconnected system of measures, which from the outset will be strictly enforced, then the confidence will grow literally by month. But this is not a special power, a necessary condition for the execution of the overall strategy.
- How do you see the main result of the implementation of your proposals?
- We go to the 3-3.5% growth in the average and slightly above for all years from 2018 till 2024-th. Growth will accumulate in 2018. The following year, growth will be, according to our estimates, about 2.7%. With this growth of GDP by 2024 will grow by 29%, while real disposable incomes of the population - 25%. Labor productivity will grow by 30%, while non-oil exports - almost twice. This is an ambitious task.