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Russian Economy General News: #7
miketheterrible- Posts : 7383
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he can keep making them as tough as he wants. It aint going to do shit all in the future. Already the UN economic counsel admits that Russia's growth is thanks to import substitution and domestic consumption demand over the sanctions. This will just further strengthen that or even force Russia to reciprocate by increasing the prices on strategic resources like Titanium which US constantly needs.
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Good article:
Best To Assume Russia Sanctions Last Forever
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/05/26/best-to-assume-russia-sanctions-last-forever/#6c2439b07090
Also great pic, had to post it separately:
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
PapaDragon wrote:
Good article:
Best To Assume Russia Sanctions Last Forever
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/05/26/best-to-assume-russia-sanctions-last-forever/#6c2439b07090
All the spew from 2014 on about how Russia's economy is going to collapse and now basically an admission of
epic failure (i.e. Russia's economy has been structurally improved and stimulated by the sanctions) as if it is
ho-hum. Yeah, whatever.
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"If you look at the state of the Russian economy today it is difficult to call it a superpower." -- EU foreign policy chief
"Russia is investing a lot when it comes to defense and military activities but when it comes to economic power – forget it." -- Mogherini
https://twitter.com/russiandefpolic
"Russia is investing a lot when it comes to defense and military activities but when it comes to economic power – forget it." -- Mogherini
https://twitter.com/russiandefpolic
miketheterrible- Posts : 7383
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Austin wrote:"If you look at the state of the Russian economy today it is difficult to call it a superpower." -- EU foreign policy chief
"Russia is investing a lot when it comes to defense and military activities but when it comes to economic power – forget it." -- Mogherini
https://twitter.com/russiandefpolic
is this going to be a trend with you? Posting everything what some nitwit of a failing economic entity says about Russia? Instead of worrying about Russia's economy, she should worry about the failings of the EU.
On contrary, at least Russia is growing naturally economically and doesn't require raising more QE to survive like EU does.
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miketheterrible wrote:Austin wrote:"If you look at the state of the Russian economy today it is difficult to call it a superpower." -- EU foreign policy chief
"Russia is investing a lot when it comes to defense and military activities but when it comes to economic power – forget it." -- Mogherini
https://twitter.com/russiandefpolic
is this going to be a trend with you? Posting everything what some nitwit of a failing economic entity says about Russia? Instead of worrying about Russia's economy, she should worry about the failings of the EU.
On contrary, at least Russia is growing naturally economically and doesn't require raising more QE to survive like EU does.
I guess you miss the humour there in her statement
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miketheterrible wrote:Austin wrote:"If you look at the state of the Russian economy today it is difficult to call it a superpower." -- EU foreign policy chief
"Russia is investing a lot when it comes to defense and military activities but when it comes to economic power – forget it." -- Mogherini
https://twitter.com/russiandefpolic
is this going to be a trend with you? Posting everything what some nitwit of a failing economic entity says about Russia? Instead of worrying about Russia's economy, she should worry about the failings of the EU.
On contrary, at least Russia is growing naturally economically and doesn't require raising more QE to survive like EU does.
The anti-Russian trash talk originates from insecurity about Russia's growing might both economic and military. If Russia was really nothing
then all these ubermenschen would never yammer about it. It would be like stating the obvious. For anyone who will accuse me of being
a Russian fanboi, I can trot out all the media BS after 2014 which was predicting Russia's collapse. This is not some minor oversight, this
proves that NATO perceptions about Russia are detached from reality.
As for the alleged economic might of the EU and America, people need to understand that the GDP includes extra-territorial economic activity.
So all of the neo-colonial assets of these historical colonial powers get counted as part of their economies. Living in the west, I can confirm
that these extra-territorial assets do not translate into territorial wealth for individuals. So all the GDP per capita measures are utter
BS. The typical family in the USA does not make $150,000 per year because the father, mother and child do not earn $50,000 each. In
fact, the average family income in the USA is $73,000. So the per capita GDP is irrelevant.
Google is an anti-Russian propaganda portal. I tried to look for "average family income russia" and it feeds me salary links and BS stories
about poverty. The typical western politician and fake stream media consumer sap really thinks that a 50% forex rate drop translates into
a 50% drop in income. What retarded nonsense. The late 2014 and early 2015 inflation spike cost Russians about 13% of their income
level in 2015 (wages increased by 3%). There was no 50% inflation in 2015 that has permanently lowered Russian real incomes by 50%.
As of 2017 there is net income growth again.
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Austin wrote:"If you look at the state of the Russian economy today it is difficult to call it a superpower." -- EU foreign policy chief
"Russia is investing a lot when it comes to defense and military activities but when it comes to economic power – forget it." -- Mogherini
https://twitter.com/russiandefpolic
These uneducated morons don't know that forex rates are not actual measures of economic activity. That's why we have
something called the purchasing power parity adjustment. The real story is that Russia's economy is always underestimated and
every bum f*ck backwater in the west is treated as if it has the per capita economic intensity of the most developed region. But
for some reason all these backwaters look like backwaters and don't give off that rich vibe.
Claiming to be the wealthiest and portraying your targets of hate as being poor is lucrative propaganda. Humans are idiots for such
brainwashing and will conclude that the richer side is the Godly side. So the west's 5th column in Russia does a lot to portray Russia
as dirt poor (you can find them posting on sites such as Quora where they basically defame all Russians as sloths living in cardboard
boxes). The CBR exaggerates Russia's true inflation rate by including long term structural transition pricing as if it was pure inflation
(i.e. the reference point is zero during the Soviet period and not an equilibrated market price). The CBR also sabotages Russia's
economy by imposing a loan shark prime rate based on its fraudulent CPI "estimate". People are not going to borrow at rates over 15%
to buy a car. (Note that actual interest rates for consumers are always higher than the prime CBR rate).
At the same time, there is all sorts of fraud in the west which deliberately understates the inflation rate (e.g. hedonics adjustments).
When you see a 2% GDP growth in America, it is actually closer to 2% GDP contraction since the inflation is grossly understated. The
GDP growth is obtained by using the CPI and PPI to form the GDP deflator which scales the estimated nominal GDP.
GDP growth = (GDP(current year)/GDP_deflator) - GDP(previous year).
Depending on the GDP deflator GDP growth is either positive or negative. Using a 2% inflation rate gives a deflator of about 1.02 which
can obviously lead to an inference of growth compared to a deflator of 1.06. The US inflation is closer to 6%. Don't believe me? Look
at the food price increases and rent ain't getting cheaper. (In the US the producer price index, PPI, is very similar to the CPI.)
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Good Post , Yes 6-7 % is the figure which my friend in US stays for many decades said is the real figure , Seem the size of the product you purchase also keeps growing smaller or some tricks like making some part hollow is done.
Here is another joke from saudi
Saudi Finance Minister: “I Wouldn't Care If The Oil Price Is Zero"
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Saudi-Finance-Minister-I-Wouldnt-Care-If-The-Oil-Price-Is-Zero.html
For a country whose 90 % of Budget income is from Oil thats a joke ...They just produce two things in abundance Oil and Terrorism.
Here is another joke from saudi
Saudi Finance Minister: “I Wouldn't Care If The Oil Price Is Zero"
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Saudi-Finance-Minister-I-Wouldnt-Care-If-The-Oil-Price-Is-Zero.html
For a country whose 90 % of Budget income is from Oil thats a joke ...They just produce two things in abundance Oil and Terrorism.
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Kind off-topic tbh, but two of the guy's ("Russiadefpolicy", obviously, not Mogherini) tweets from last month:
"Good Guardian article on #Navalnyy and his effort to crack the Putin regime and bring real politics back to Russia."
And:
"Hope Putin is lying in bed tonight in Novo-Ogarevo wondering what it would be like to be Maduro right now."
Nice Putin-derangement syndrome. "Real politics," "regime". Jesus Christ... comparing Venezuela to Russia? Some Russia expertise right there.
I mean, I knew the guy wasn't Pro-Russian, but holy shit!? Funnily enough, he also really seems to despise Trump and believes in that Russiagate conspiracy BS. What a clown.
Austin, why on earth did you even post that? First of all, the Mogherini tweets are like 2 weeks old... And how are they relevant, really? I don't even think Russia even wants to be a "superpower", whatever that means. A "great power", sure...
And kvs, is your search term in English? Then you should mostly blame the English-language media and other publications, not Google itself.
EDIT: Is the "Zak" guy that some have mentioned in the space program thread and "russiadefpolicy" the same person? Sorry, I have no idea. Stopped following that blog (russiadefpolicy) really quickly. In any case, he certainly sounds like a Russian pro-Western liberal (I always thought he was foreigner, but it's been a really long time since I read the blog, so...).
"Good Guardian article on #Navalnyy and his effort to crack the Putin regime and bring real politics back to Russia."
And:
"Hope Putin is lying in bed tonight in Novo-Ogarevo wondering what it would be like to be Maduro right now."
Nice Putin-derangement syndrome. "Real politics," "regime". Jesus Christ... comparing Venezuela to Russia? Some Russia expertise right there.
I mean, I knew the guy wasn't Pro-Russian, but holy shit!? Funnily enough, he also really seems to despise Trump and believes in that Russiagate conspiracy BS. What a clown.
Austin, why on earth did you even post that? First of all, the Mogherini tweets are like 2 weeks old... And how are they relevant, really? I don't even think Russia even wants to be a "superpower", whatever that means. A "great power", sure...
And kvs, is your search term in English? Then you should mostly blame the English-language media and other publications, not Google itself.
EDIT: Is the "Zak" guy that some have mentioned in the space program thread and "russiadefpolicy" the same person? Sorry, I have no idea. Stopped following that blog (russiadefpolicy) really quickly. In any case, he certainly sounds like a Russian pro-Western liberal (I always thought he was foreigner, but it's been a really long time since I read the blog, so...).
PapaDragon- Posts : 13472
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Kimppis wrote:...............
Is the "Zak" guy that some have mentioned in the space program thread and "russiadefpolicy" the same person? Sorry, I have no idea. Stopped following that blog (russiadefpolicy) really quickly. In any case, he certainly sounds like a Russian pro-Western liberal (I always thought he was foreigner, but it's been a really long time since I read the blog, so...).
If his name is Anatoly then it's probably him, who knows, wouldn't be surprised given his track record....
In the meantime here is some cold hard reality from Observer of all places when it comes to Russia, economy, gas and all that good stuff. Ignore the title, article is about money not Putin:
Vladimir Putin, Energy Tsar, Couldn’t Care Less About Your Opinion
Russia's new motto: 'If you don't like us, we have other customers'
http://observer.com/2017/05/russia-natural-gas-pipelines-turkstream-nordstream2/
“Russia is nothing but a gas station masquerading as a country,” Sen. John McCain famously said in 2014. Vladimir Putin is not swayed by the insults. By 2019, five years after the birth of that catchy phrase by the Arizona Republican, McCain will hopefully come up with a smarter quip.
Putin’s plan is to turn Russia into the world’s energy superpower—and it’s working. Russia is sitting on so much natural gas that it will take more than half a century to sell it to the world.
In the beginning of 2017, Gazprom, Russia’s natural gas giant, reported that its natural gas production for 2016 was 419.1 billion cubic meters. Its discovered natural gas reserves were estimated at an astronomical 36.4 trillion cubic meters. According to Vsevolod Markelov, deputy head of Gazprom, the demand for Russian natural gas in 2017 will increase 2.7 percent to 430.44 billion cubic meters.
Russia has been building many pipelines to deliver its natural gas to every corner of Eurasia. Two weeks ago, Gazprom reported that it began to lay down the first offshore segments of the underwater pipelines that will deliver Russian natural gas across the Black Sea to Turkey.
“Today, we have started the practical stage of the TurkStream project—the subsea laying of the gas pipeline. The project is being implemented strictly according to the plan, and by the end of 2019 our Turkish and European consumers will receive a new and reliable route for the import of the Russian natural gas,” Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said on May 7, RIA Novosti reported.
Two days before this announcement, Miller promised Putin that Gazprom would start work on the marine part of the pipeline. “The growth of Russian natural gas supplies to the European market continues,” he said to his boss. “Since the beginning of 2017, deliveries to the European market have grown by 15 percent compared to the same period of the last year, or in absolute terms by 8.6 billion cubic meters of natural gas.”
He said that the European appetite for Russian natural gas has been growing despite political frictions. According to Gazprom’s 2016 report, exports to Turkey grew by 29.1 percent, to Italy by 41.5 percent, to Serbia by 41 percent, to Bulgaria by 16.8 percent, to Hungary by 27.4 percent, and to Austria by 69.2 percent.
Currently, one-third of the natural gas consumed by Europe comes from Russia.
TurkStream will have two parallel pipeline threads: one with the natural gas for Turkey and another one for European countries. Each thread will carry 15.75 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas per year, as stated by the intergovernmental contract. The commissioning of both threads is planned for December 30, 2019. The length of the sea section of the project will be about 920 km, and the land segment is about 200 km.
Germany, despite being a frontrunner in imposing economic sanctions on Russia, gave its definite German das Ja to the building of another pipeline from Russia into Germany. It will be laid on the bottom of the Baltic Sea, disregarding the fierce opposition from Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine.
Nord Stream-2 pipeline construction will start in 2018 and will be finished by the end of 2019. The two “Nord Stream-2” threads will transfer 27.5 billion cubic meters of gas per year, doubling the capacity of the first Nord Stream, the route of which they will basically follow.
In 2016, the first Nord Stream was full to 80 percent of its capacity. 43.8 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas were sent from Russia directly into Germany—and this is just the beginning of Vladimir Putin’s ambitious project.
Some days ago, Gazprom reported that it had finished construction of the 745-kilometer part of the Power of Siberia pipeline. It will start its operation with the delivery of 38 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas per year, which can be increased to 61 billion cubic meters in case the Russian giant decides “to buy natural gas from other Russian natural gas producers.” (Or if Putin decides to cut the shipment of natural gas to Europe in favor of Chinese partners.)
The contract between Gazprom and Chinese CNPC was signed in 2015. The start of the supply is scheduled for 2019-2021.
Power of Siberia-2 project is being discussed with China also—with an additional 30 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year to be delivered to the country.
Contacts with Turkey and China are signed for a 30-year term, and Germany’s is signed for a 50-year term.
Then, there is India. The delivery of 2.5 million tons of LNG to India by Gazprom (the equivalent of 3.5 billion cubic meters of natural gas) will start in 2018. The plans of building a pipeline to India as an extension to Power of Siberia-2 or from Iran are also under consideration.
Today, India ranks fourth in the world in energy consumption, but the share of natural gas in the country’s energy balance is still very low—slightly more than 7 percent.
And it does not stop there. Russia and Japan are actively discussing construction of the natural gas supply pipeline from Sakhalin (a Russian island in the Pacific Ocean) to Japan. The 1,500 km underwater pipeline will be able to provide Japan with 20 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year, which is 17 percent of the Japan’s LNG imports.
Is this just business for Putin? Of course not; political interests are intertwined.
First, China, Turkey and Russia are discussing a way to conduct the mutual trades using national currencies only, which will exclude the U.S. dollar from these deals. To kick the U.S. Federal Reserve Service in its teeth is the long-held dream of many of Putin’s economic advisers.
Second, Turkey will become a European energy hub, which will increase the country’s political weight on the continent. Its role will be dependent on Russia’s good will.
Third, Russia’s new motto will be, “If you don’t like us, we have other customers.” Can you imagine the map of Europe with one third blacked-out?
From 2019 into the foreseeable future, Vladimir Putin will decide which citizens of which countries in Europe will have their electricity on, their houses warm in the winter, their coffee pots boiling and their businesses running. Russia will wave off economic sanctions like annoying mosquitoes, and it will punish governments that have the audacity to impose them with painful “asymmetrical” punches.
“Europe must realize that the time when she was a teacher and Russia was a student have been long gone,” Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said before his meeting with President Donald Trump.
The ambitious plans to ship American LNG to Europe will be put to rest for a long while. Alexei Miller, Gazprom’s CEO, put it this way: “The [Nord Stream-2] pipeline is beneficial as far as the price for LNG is concerned. And it will be so in the future.”
And there is also a cherry on top for Putin: The new pipelines will make the Ukrainian pipelines’ role in the European economy null and void in European politics. The contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz, the Ukrainian company that owns her pipelines, will expire at the end of 2019.
Last year, Gazprom sent about 82 billion cubic meters of natural gas through Ukrainian territory for its European customers, filling the Ukrainian pipeline to 56 percent of its capacity.
Sergei Kobolev, head of Naftogaz, said that the construction of the new Nord Steam-2 and TurkStream pipelines would deprive Ukraine of $2 billion a year of transit fees that Ukraine collects from Russia. The construction of the pipelines will lower the market capitalization of Ukrainian pipelines by 5 times—down from $30 billion to $5 billion.
Around $2 billion is 10 percent of Ukraine’s hard currency income. In the foreseeable future, Ukraine’s reserves will hardly ever exceed the $15 billion that the country currently has in its reserves, which was stocked in large part due to the loans from international financial organizations. Last year, for the first time in its history, Naftogaz showed a net profit of $984 million due to increase of the transportation of Russian natural gas to Europe, but it needs $10 billion to repair its overused, rusty pipelines—an unimaginable sum for the broke country.
The market value of Naftogaz in 2019 will most likely not be $5 billion, but it also won’t be $0.
Signs of despair in Kiev are obvious.
Right after the beginning of the work on the sea part of the TurkStream, the representative of Ukrainian Naftogaz “unofficially” stated in the interview to the German DPA news agency that, starting in 2020, it was ready to decrease the 10 percent transportation fee that Russia pays for the flow of natural gas through Ukrainian territory.
Gazprom says that it does not rule out sending its product through Ukrainian territory after 2019 to its customer countries that border Ukraine—but it will be a much smaller amount of “probably” 15 billion cubic meters a year. And, of course, as Miller said, “[only] if it will make sense economically.”
The reality of the 21st century—as Putin sees it—is that energy is a political instrument. Political alliances and the rise and fall of the international importance of particular countries will change in accordance with the energy supply routes.
You can call Russia a gas station masquerading as a country, but from 2019 on, Putin will not care less. By then, Russia will have so much money that Putin will be able to swim in it like Scrooge McDuck. He knows that one can insult one’s local gas company any way one wants. One can curse it, spit on the bill, complain to neighbors and swear to switch to wind power. But at the end of the month, one still has to pay the bills.
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The article has the usual anti-Russian bent. Because Russia wants diversity of customers and not be trapped with a bunch of
EU haters who accuse Russia of "blackmail" for selling natural gas at rates cheaper than Norway, it must be all about Putin and
politics. Utter, retarded BS. Russia is clearly defending itself from NATO's politically motivated extortion attempts such as the
recent EU effort to suppress Nord Stream II. The EU was basically demanding that Russia ship via Ukraine and keep paying the
Kiev parasites transit fees and be exposed to routine Kiev blackmail and natural gas theft. F*ck the EU, indeed.
EU haters who accuse Russia of "blackmail" for selling natural gas at rates cheaper than Norway, it must be all about Putin and
politics. Utter, retarded BS. Russia is clearly defending itself from NATO's politically motivated extortion attempts such as the
recent EU effort to suppress Nord Stream II. The EU was basically demanding that Russia ship via Ukraine and keep paying the
Kiev parasites transit fees and be exposed to routine Kiev blackmail and natural gas theft. F*ck the EU, indeed.
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I made a quick analysis about the sales to RF from my wife's webshop.
Seems like in 2013-25 sale, 2014-17 , 2015-14 , 2016-37 , 2017 first 5 month 20 sales
2015 was the bottom.
Seems like in 2013-25 sale, 2014-17 , 2015-14 , 2016-37 , 2017 first 5 month 20 sales
2015 was the bottom.
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Amusing that they suggest that Russia will use gas supplies to reward or punish EU countries in regard to sanctions or other such things... in all the years past with gas deliveries to Europe they have never actually done that before... it is more something the west would do to Russia... not the other way around.
Again projecting their own acts of war on others and blaming them for things they have not even done...
The sooner they are pumping the gas to turkey it can be turkeys fun and games and Russia can wash its hands of the whole bunch of wankers...
I am sure Chinese and Indian requirements will eventually dwarf those of the EU...
Again projecting their own acts of war on others and blaming them for things they have not even done...
The sooner they are pumping the gas to turkey it can be turkeys fun and games and Russia can wash its hands of the whole bunch of wankers...
I am sure Chinese and Indian requirements will eventually dwarf those of the EU...
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GarryB wrote:Amusing that they suggest that Russia will use gas supplies to reward or punish EU countries in regard to sanctions or other such things... in all the years past with gas deliveries to Europe they have never actually done that before... it is more something the west would do to Russia... not the other way around.
Again projecting their own acts of war on others and blaming them for things they have not even done...
The sooner they are pumping the gas to turkey it can be turkeys fun and games and Russia can wash its hands of the whole bunch of wankers...
I am sure Chinese and Indian requirements will eventually dwarf those of the EU...
Everyone keeps missing the point and focuses on rhetorics even though I just told you to ignore that BS.
It's not about politics or whatever own insecurities and paranoia euros project on Russia
It's about MONEY.
Strategy is (as always) to go after adversary's money.
Here we see that money will keep pouring into Russia. European money among others. So strategy fails, especially starting with 2019.
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Day 1 SPIEF 17 , Lots of news check the link
http://tass.ru/pmef-2017/articles/4299075
http://tass.ru/pmef-2017/articles/4299075
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Nothing really overly interesting. Although, Kudrin at it again with the whole "privatization" need. This time, talking about oil and gas companies should be privatized. I guess he thinks Russians have poor short term memory because we all know what was going down with Khordokovsky with Yukos oil. Thankfully Russian gov intervened. Only way privatization of such industries would work, would be laws to prevent sale of majority share to outside organizations and non Russian entities. So that means Russian banks and alike should have majority shares then.
Putin's response too about the military build up of Kurils was a good one. Talks about if they hypothetically gave the Kuril Islands back to Japan, that US soldiers would open up bases and alike on the islands. While it wouldn't be a threat to Russia exactly, the prospects of a base and missile shield is unacceptable to be on the islands. As per Putin. And so that is more or less a direct statement that they won't be going back to Japan anytime soon.
Putin's response too about the military build up of Kurils was a good one. Talks about if they hypothetically gave the Kuril Islands back to Japan, that US soldiers would open up bases and alike on the islands. While it wouldn't be a threat to Russia exactly, the prospects of a base and missile shield is unacceptable to be on the islands. As per Putin. And so that is more or less a direct statement that they won't be going back to Japan anytime soon.
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The court in Sweden(fuck you Swedes, Russia would have saved you bastards from all the bullshit), have just awarded, the case to Ukraine. How will this play out.
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miketheterrible wrote:Nothing really overly interesting. Although, Kudrin at it again with the whole "privatization" need. This time, talking about oil and gas companies should be privatized. I guess he thinks Russians have poor short term memory because we all know what was going down with Khordokovsky with Yukos oil. Thankfully Russian gov intervened. Only way privatization of such industries would work, would be laws to prevent sale of majority share to outside organizations and non Russian entities. So that means Russian banks and alike should have majority shares then.
Putin's response too about the military build up of Kurils was a good one. Talks about if they hypothetically gave the Kuril Islands back to Japan, that US soldiers would open up bases and alike on the islands. While it wouldn't be a threat to Russia exactly, the prospects of a base and missile shield is unacceptable to be on the islands. As per Putin. And so that is more or less a direct statement that they won't be going back to Japan anytime soon.
Kudrin is still a asshole working against Russia, bastards like him need to be shot.
President Putin is right about the Kuril Islands, give those away and you are screwed.
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
There is a double side to every story. We need to be careful and be objective when looking at the news. Kudrin made his statement but who knows what his stipulation is on privatization. In a lot of cases, the government has been all for it, on preconditions. There is a term used as "patriot investor". This was brought up to partial sale of Uralvagonzavod. So in other words, stipulation could be "privatize to Russian organizations and entities. Wouldn't be a bad idea. But there needs to be a clause on keeping the oil wells government owned. Companies get contracts to use said wells.
As for the court case against naftogaz and Gazprom, I will state that the take or pay is bullshit. I think it was lousy if Gazprom on that one. As for having to potentially pay back Ukraine for overcharging of gas from 2014 is a joke (gas stopped flowing in mid/late 2015 so Gazprom may have to pay back a couple billion) since the signed contract stipulated the price scheme and Ukraine agreed to it. This ruling will be what Russia may use as a pretext to not bother with contracts and let Ukraine screw Europe altogether on supplies through transit. And also proves contracts are useless.
As for the court case against naftogaz and Gazprom, I will state that the take or pay is bullshit. I think it was lousy if Gazprom on that one. As for having to potentially pay back Ukraine for overcharging of gas from 2014 is a joke (gas stopped flowing in mid/late 2015 so Gazprom may have to pay back a couple billion) since the signed contract stipulated the price scheme and Ukraine agreed to it. This ruling will be what Russia may use as a pretext to not bother with contracts and let Ukraine screw Europe altogether on supplies through transit. And also proves contracts are useless.
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
miketheterrible wrote:There is a double side to every story. We need to be careful and be objective when looking at the news. Kudrin made his statement but who knows what his stipulation is on privatization. In a lot of cases, the government has been all for it, on preconditions. There is a term used as "patriot investor". This was brought up to partial sale of Uralvagonzavod. So in other words, stipulation could be "privatize to Russian organizations and entities. Wouldn't be a bad idea. But there needs to be a clause on keeping the oil wells government owned. Companies get contracts to use said wells.
As for the court case against naftogaz and Gazprom, I will state that the take or pay is bullshit. I think it was lousy if Gazprom on that one. As for having to potentially pay back Ukraine for overcharging of gas from 2014 is a joke (gas stopped flowing in mid/late 2015 so Gazprom may have to pay back a couple billion) since the signed contract stipulated the price scheme and Ukraine agreed to it. This ruling will be what Russia may use as a pretext to not bother with contracts and let Ukraine screw Europe altogether on supplies through transit. And also proves contracts are useless.
You are right on privation to Russian organizations and entities but how what happens if the company wants to bring in outside investment(there will probably be laws that address this.)
Ukraine does owe Russia money, than would this not cancel each other out?
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Looks like Kremlin was pretty quick to deny Kudrin.
https://www.rt.com/document/593021b2c46188480f8b461a/amp
https://www.rt.com/document/593021b2c46188480f8b461a/amp
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
miketheterrible wrote:Looks like Kremlin was pretty quick to deny Kudrin.
https://www.rt.com/document/593021b2c46188480f8b461a/amp
Well there is a reason why Kudrin is ex-minister...
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Re: Russian Economy General News: #7
Well, I'm not going to watch the video, but according to some reports, there are surprisingly many Russians in "modern slavery" (whatever that actually means). Like 1 million IIRC, which makes Russia an outlier, considering the state of development (most countries in top 10 are really poor, except China, but it has a population of 1.4 billion). Indeed, maybe it's because the prison population is so large in Russia (it's falling, though), or something. So the video is probably not entirely made up (that is not how good propaganda works, but of course, nothing is too low for MSM when it comes to Russia), but it's still just a single case.
And isn't Kudrin quite likely to be the next PM? I don't personally dislike him that much. Sure, he's somewhat overly liberal/globalist and some of his views on the Russian economy are overly negative (which is actually OK when its for the domestic audience), but it seems that Putin still trusts him and his economic expertise. Kudrin's vision about the future of the Russian economy seems reasonable overall. He's not like "Russian economy can't have high growth rates and sanctions are absolutely terrible. We must surrender to Uncle Sam immediately." Quite the opposite, in fact.
In other news:
Russian economy’s growth rates to be above average global ones by 2020 — Putin
That would be great, and IMO, necessary. Anything (much) less means stagnation.
Positive effects of low inflation may be obvious in 2-3 years — Russia's Central Bank
Russian Finance Ministry forecasts average oil price in 2018 at $40 per barrel
Conservative estimates, which is nothing new, but I quote:
"We’ll have to live through the uneasy years of 2018 and 2019. And from 2020, we’ll be able to increase expenditures by slightly more than 500 billion rubles ($8.8 billion) a year."
That even in the scenario that oil averages $40? Not bad at all. I also read that the budget deficit is going to be close to 0%, if oil averages $50-55 this year, which seems likely. But hey, "Russia is running out of money hurr durr!!"
And isn't Kudrin quite likely to be the next PM? I don't personally dislike him that much. Sure, he's somewhat overly liberal/globalist and some of his views on the Russian economy are overly negative (which is actually OK when its for the domestic audience), but it seems that Putin still trusts him and his economic expertise. Kudrin's vision about the future of the Russian economy seems reasonable overall. He's not like "Russian economy can't have high growth rates and sanctions are absolutely terrible. We must surrender to Uncle Sam immediately." Quite the opposite, in fact.
In other news:
Russian economy’s growth rates to be above average global ones by 2020 — Putin
That would be great, and IMO, necessary. Anything (much) less means stagnation.
Positive effects of low inflation may be obvious in 2-3 years — Russia's Central Bank
Russian Finance Ministry forecasts average oil price in 2018 at $40 per barrel
Conservative estimates, which is nothing new, but I quote:
"We’ll have to live through the uneasy years of 2018 and 2019. And from 2020, we’ll be able to increase expenditures by slightly more than 500 billion rubles ($8.8 billion) a year."
That even in the scenario that oil averages $40? Not bad at all. I also read that the budget deficit is going to be close to 0%, if oil averages $50-55 this year, which seems likely. But hey, "Russia is running out of money hurr durr!!"