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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:11 am

    Cyberspec wrote:As I've written previously, I don't buy into this "CBR is the 5th column" in Russia mainly because the way the "bigger picture" is developing. If the CBR wanted to destroy Russia on foreign orders they had a perfect oportunity in 2014/15.They didn't, on the contrary..they are trying to kill off inflation expectations and straighten the bond yield curves....

    I think some of you guys are taking MSM and Russian far right conspiracies a bit too seriously

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    Irrelevant, they are operating on state purchasing. The civilian sector has to operate by normal business activity
    and this is where Nabiullina is sabotaging Russia's economy.

    To all you ad hominem wankers: put up or shut up. Demonstrate a link to "right wing conspiracies" in this thread,
    I dare you. None of you yaps have posted a single shred of an argument. Screeching "you are wrong" makes you
    look like idiots.

    Really, Russia was basically under US occupation during the 1990s under Yeltsin and any talk about outright suspicious
    behaviour is "tin foil". I don't recall Yeltsin's compardor regime ever being denounced by Putin. Clearly he has been
    engaged in a precarious juggling act to stay in power. So it is not at all a stretch for Nabiullina to be servicing interests
    who could care less about Russia.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:09 am

    kvs wrote:

    Really, Russia was basically under US occupation during the 1990s under Yeltsin and any talk about outright suspicious
    behaviour is "tin foil".   I don't recall Yeltsin's compardor regime ever being denounced by Putin.   Clearly he has been
    engaged in a precarious juggling act to stay in power.    So it is not at all a stretch for Nabiullina to be servicing interests
    who could care less about Russia.  



    You have right to believe what you believe, but this does not change reality neither explains facts that Russia is developing. There is always multi-factor perspective to every move CBR or Putin does. Its not only economy. Its also foreign hidden threats. And still economy IS developing. closing economy would not hurt that much world as did Russia. LEt's wait and see after 2018 elections if ny radical changes happen.

    BTW Army now can protect country what could n couple of year ago without global nuke war and IF rockets would still work. Look at magical difference between 1999 Yugoslavia and 2017 in Syria where F-22 run away when Su-35 arrived. Same with level o fliving in 90s and now...
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:42 am

    Project Canada wrote:Is there a Russian government website where we can email these recommendations? Or maybe a Russian political party/ person who would at least listen? Or even the Russian President's website? 

    If Russian 5th columnists are able to commit these tresonous crimes right in front of peoples faces, and the Russian leadership  is Not doing anything to stop them, then is it likely that Russia is headed for another 90s disaster? Russia wouldn't  survive  another breakup.

    Only economist please, No other experts should check with their mothers first Suspect
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:57 am

    kvs wrote:To all you ad hominem wankers: put up or shut up.   Demonstrate a link to "right wing conspiracies" in this thread,
    I dare you.   None of you yaps have posted a single shred of an argument.   Screeching "you are wrong" makes you
    look like idiots.

    You're the one that's screeching...

    What'd you wanna have an argument about?...what you're advocating is called self-isolation....in other words a self-defeating strategy

    It's painfully obvious that Russia (with others) is working on replacing the current system. Why do you think *THEY* are hysterically jumping up & down, yelling and hissing like madmen Question ....they know very well what's at stake.
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    Post  Austin Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:08 am

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    Ys they banned outflow in Zimbabwe and Venezuela. Money is valid as long as people trust it has a value. Otherwise it is worthless. Full stopping of international exchange for citizens is best signal to for attack. And attackers are not citizens. It is Russian banks and hedge funds form US mainly.

    None of the BRICS country have capital account convertibility and yet neither is Zimbabwe or Venezuela , Russia is the only country that allowes its citizen to convert Rouble into USD or Euro.

    That only increases the risk on Speculative Attack on Rouble and creates doubts about ones own currency among Russian Citizens. An easy way to Siphon off Money Abroad for the Origarch.

    Please tell me that Russia ever needed that neither China or India does not need


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    Not really. Russia's external debt in $ is more than reserves, T-bonds inclusive. If US refuses Russia might refuse to pay back to West. thsi si kind of MAD in economy.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/external-debt

    I guess this would be the last step before "kinetic war"

    T Bills are Russian Government Money and External Debts are mostly Privately companies Owned.

    If you stop paying privately owned debts or companies debt , They can bankrupt you !

    Dont confuse Russian Governemnt T Bills with Private/PSU Debts , Russia can still stop buying T Bills and continue to pay its debts or refuse which companies wont to any ways.

    Russia CBR has ZERO reasons to buy T Bills other then put Russia and its Economy on the whims and fancies of USG and US Congress

    BRICS' bonds are just launched and not really tested. Managing the whole economy ofc Russia I would not do it. Some investments but no tall.
    Euro? like EU countries would not arrest Russian assets? Are you sure? IMF is managed mostly bu US then its allies. What is the difference?

    Chinese T-bonds? Partially it is Russian bonds denoLike 1 week ago Russia issued trial 1 USD bln equivalent in yuan.
    Buying Chinese bonds there are pros and cons but I believe Russia should step up its involvement in this direction.

    If Euro refuses to honour its T Bills Russia can stop the Gas to EU , There exisit MAD between EU and Russia but not between Russia and US in terms of Trade.

    BRICS bonds are better long term investment.


    3 )


    Really, inflow of empty money would help whom? does Russia produce anything for consumer market? not really then what? people start buying imported goods and US soars then more people are selling rubles and... crisis like Zimbabwe.

    There is much more then only interest rate. Shitty and leaking banking system. Underdeveloped financial instruments and legal solutions. Yes decrease slowly but surely. Business is very conservative in risk management. Unstable legal system and shitty regulations are impacting industry no less if not more.


    CBR pace of Interest rate cut is too slow for Russia Business to get benefitted.

    They should cut 4 times interest rate in a year at the rate of 0.5 % that would be 2 % per year.



    I guess all trade will go in yuan sooner of later. Even if China will be bigger market than EU for Russian gas then you want from total dependency on west to jump into total dependency from China? fairly risky I can say.

    China will continue to grow 4-5 % for the next 20-30 years per many estimates from WB , IMF etc its a bigger energy market than EU , EU are in dead end relying on QE for Growth and its end in recession.

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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:47 am

    Austin wrote:CBR pace of Interest rate cut is too slow for Russia Business to get benefitted.

    They should cut 4 times interest rate in a year at the rate of 0.5 % that would be 2 % per year


    Interesting theory...I'm sure they never considered that scenario  Cool ....

    hmm, here's another one....

    could it be that the interest rates are where they are because like all their recent finance related plans, have in built "cushions" against further financial attacks (which are guaranteed to follow) Wink


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    Russian Bond Yields Plunge to 4-Year Lows as Investors Shrug off Sanctions

    Financial warfare against it or not, everyone understands now that between the low deficits and the hundreds of billions in reserve Russia's finances are in good order, and Russia is good for its debt

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    Post  Austin Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:22 pm

    Stopping capital account convertibility is a detterent against speculative attack on Rouble specially if the idea is to create panic among the citizen.

    Beyond that Russia should aim to build Gold reserves of at minimum 5000 T currently its at ~ 1700 T , Germany has 4000 T and US 8000 T , China does not full disclose its Gold reserves.

    I would say keep Forex in following percentage to build a deterrent against economic war

    Gold - 35 %
    Euro Bills - 20 %
    IMF SDR/Misc - 20 %
    Chinese/BRICS bond -15 %
    US T Bills - 10 %


    As far as sanctions goes Russia has absorbed a major part of the blow and did well now the aim is for Growth atleast 4-5 % of GDP
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:46 pm

    Austin wrote:Stopping capital account convertibility is a detterent against speculative attack on Rouble specially if the idea is to create panic among the citizen.

    Actually the other ways around. Causes panic to buy $. Restricting by need of proving it is taxed is to me best option. And creating first of all climate i.e. stability and predictability of legal framework and financial approach why do you think people carry money to London? to breathe smog?




    Beyond that Russia should aim to build Gold reserves of at minimum 5000 T  currently its at ~ 1700 T  , Germany has 4000 T and US 8000 T , China does not full disclose its Gold reserves.

    China has different approach, different starting point. If they are better off or not time will tell. Maybe this info about gold is needed for internal policy in Russia?





    I would say keep Forex in following percentage to build a deterrent against economic war

    Gold - 35 %
    Euro Bills - 20 %
    IMF SDR/Misc - 20 %
    Chinese/BRICS bond -15 %
    US T Bills - 10 %


    As far as sanctions goes Russia has absorbed a major part of the blow and did well now the aim is for Growth atleast 4-5 % of GDP


    Well gold is indeed a valuable asset. And second that it should constitute a fair part of reserves but

    A)Gold is precious although not liquid asset. You need liquidity to fend off attacks. Sometimes enough liquidity is kkeping speculants at bay.
    B) The price is set in London

    BTW Germany was told there is still gold in Us treasuries but never German inspectors could see it... nobody checked US stockpiles either...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:01 pm

    FRS policy no longer affects Russia's credit market, the Central Bank said

    https://ria.ru/economy/20171201/1510021027.html

    MOSCOW, Dec 1 - RIA Novosti. The policy of the Federal Reserve System (FRS) of the United States has ceased to affect the Russian credit market, said Alexander Morozov, director of the department for research and forecasting of the Central Bank of Russia.

    "To what extent does the normalization of the policy of the ECB and the Fed affect Russia and the monetary policy of the Bank of Russia?" In this respect, we observe a certain divergence of politicians - in the US and the eurozone, the policy is normalized by rising rates, and in Russia - by lowering rates. That is, the percentage differential between the rates in Russia and the rates in the US and the euro area is declining, "Morozov said, speaking at a financial forum organized by the Vedomosti newspaper.
    The possibility of maintaining this divergence in itself is a very positive factor for Russia, which will stabilize the Russian financial market, Morozov said. "We have already accumulated a percentage differential in the period of shock so significant that it really allows to minimize or at least reduce the effect of global financial markets on the Russian financial market," the head of the department noted.
    Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev during a meeting of the Council of Heads of Government of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in

    Assuming that in the medium term, the Fed's rate will rise to a level that is considered normal (conditionally - 2.75% -3%), then proceeding from the real rate of 2.5%, it is possible to safely reach the level of 6.5% at the key rate of the Bank of Russia, Morozov said. Currently, the Central Bank's key rate is 8.25%. "The movement from 8.25% to 6.5% should not cause serious perturbations in the financial markets, and when they occur, it should quickly encourage investors to return to the Russian market," he said.
    "The impact of Fed rates on the Russian credit market has disappeared, it can not be identified.The change in the policy of the Fed to Russia has ceased to influence.This can be expected that such a loss of interrelation - the change in the rates of the Fed and the policy of the Bank of Russia - will last as long as the process of normalizing the policy of the Fed, the ECB and the Bank of Russia is not over, "Morozov said.
    "In the perspective of several years, in theory, we can expect the absence of significant links between the policy of the Federal Reserve and the actions of the Bank of Russia," he concluded.

    Of course this is also self-promotion but there is also a good message.



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    It;s official...the Rothchilds are Russian double agents  What a Face

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    Rothschilds are very clever people and always join winning side Smile
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:12 pm

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    Project Canada wrote:Is there a Russian government website where we can email these recommendations? Or maybe a Russian political party/ person who would at least listen? Or even the Russian President's website? 

    If Russian 5th columnists are able to commit these tresonous crimes right in front of peoples faces, and the Russian leadership  is Not doing anything to stop them, then is it likely that Russia is headed for another 90s disaster? Russia wouldn't  survive  another breakup.

    Only economist please, No  other experts should check with their mothers first Suspect  

    The same economists that claim we will make more copper (or any other element in the periodic table) if we ever run out?

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    Post  Austin Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:08 pm

    Russia says goodbye to the dollar: after investors in the ruble invests and business...


    Источник: https://politexpert.net/81145-rossiya-proshaetsya-s-dollarom-vsled-za-vkladchikami-v-rubl-investiruet-i-biznes?utm_source=finobzor.ru
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:25 am

    Austin wrote:Russia says goodbye to the dollar: after investors in the ruble invests and business...


    Источник: https://politexpert.net/81145-rossiya-proshaetsya-s-dollarom-vsled-za-vkladchikami-v-rubl-investiruet-i-biznes?utm_source=finobzor.ru

    I am sure it was planned we only can argue here about pace of change but please remember thet we like it or not current world's economy is built around USD. First task to build a parallel world. Yuan based for example.



    ECONOMY 16:26, 11 december 2017
    The RF Ministry of Finance announced the placement of OFZ in RMB in 2018
    http://www.interfax.ru/business/591358

    Moscow. December 11th. INTERFAX.RU - The debut placement of OFZ in RMB by the RF Ministry of Finance is likely to take place next year.

    "We are considering such an opportunity, but seriously, it is unlikely," Deputy Finance Minister Vladimir Kolychev told reporters in Moscow, responding to a question about the possibility of placing these bonds before the end of 2017. According to him, the release must be carefully prepared, since it will not be the only one.

    "It will not be a one-time operation, if it is, it will definitely not be a one-time operation." (...) We are not sure that this will happen every year, but what we are certain of is a liquid benchmark, and this will be curve, and not the only issue, "- said the deputy minister.

    "We are ready more or less, but we just need to better prepare for the deal to go better, because it's a unique deal, it never happened." We need to prepare everything well for the infrastructure to work well so that Chinese investors will have all the questions they had before that (before they could not buy such tools, but now they can) received answers in advance, and not in the process of placement, "Kolychev said.

    "We constantly communicate with them, they have a good response, they like the credit history, how can the credit history of the country that balances the budget with oil at $ 40 per barrel not like?" He stressed.
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    Post  Austin Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:36 pm

    Net capital outflow from Russia in January-November rose to $ 28 billion

    Moscow. December 11th. INTERFAX.RU - Net capital outflow from the Russian Federation for 11 months of 2017 increased 3.4 times, to $ 28 billion compared to the same period in 2016 when it amounted to $ 8.2 billion, according to Bank of Russia.

    "The key role in the current value of the indicator was played by banks, continuing the policy of reducing external debt." The net outflow of capital from other sectors that actively attracted foreign investment and simultaneously increased foreign assets was relatively less significant, "the regulator said.

    The net outflow of capital from the Russian Federation in January-October was estimated at $ 23.8 billion. Thus, in November, capital export could reach $ 4.2 billion.


    Net capital outflows of the private sector in 2017 based on the baseline scenario of the CBR (with an oil price of $ 50 per barrel), updated in September, are projected at $ 17 billion.
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    Post  Austin Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:41 pm

    Siluanov predicted the volume of SWF as of January 1 at a rate of 3.7 trillion rubles.

    The volume of the National Welfare Fund (NWF) will be 3.7 trillion rubles. as of January 1, 2018, Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov said during the meeting of the government.

    "As of January 1, 2018, the amount of the National Welfare Fund will be 3.7 trillion rubles. or slightly more than 4% of GDP. At the same time, the liquid part, that is, free balances not invested in assets, will amount to 2.3 trillion rubles. Therefore, both the budget rules and the budget that we made for the next three-year plan, he takes into account the opportunities and increases, the replenishment of our reserves, which we need, because we are still dependent on the raw material component and oil and gas revenues, "Siluanov said.

    According to him, by the end of 2017, the Reserve Fund will be completely depleted.

    As of December 1, the volume of the Reserve Fund was 994.64 billion rubles, the volume of the National Welfare Fund was 3.9 trillion rubles, the ministry reported earlier.
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    Post  Austin Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:41 pm

    International reserves of Russia in November rose by $ 6.8 billion - to $ 431.6 billion
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    International reserves of Russia for the period from November 1 to December 1, 2017 increased by $ 6.8 billion - up to $ 431.636 billion, according to the Central Bank.

    International reserves of Russia are highly liquid foreign assets, which are available to the Bank of Russia and the Russian government.

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    The surplus of foreign trade of Russia for 10 months has grown by 27,7% - to $ 102,9 billion
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    The surplus of the foreign trade balance of Russia in January-October 2017 increased by $ 22.3 billion, or by 27.7%, compared to the same period in 2016 - up to $ 102.9 billion, follows from the report of the FCS of Russia.

    "The trade balance was positive at $ 102.9 billion, which is $ 22.3 billion more than in January-October 2016," the report said.

    Russia's exports for the period increased by 25.5% year-on-year to $ 287 billion. Imports for 10 months increased by 24.3% compared to the same period in 2016 - to $ 184.1 billion.

    "In January-October 2017, Russia's foreign trade turnover1 amounted to $ 471.1 billion and increased by 25.0% compared to January-October 2016," the FCS points out.
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    Post  Austin Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:44 pm

    Presidential Advisor Glazyev allowed the use of crypto-currency to circumvent sanctions

    https://rns.online/finance/Glazev-dopustil-ispolzovanie-kriptovalyut-dlya-obhoda-sanktsii-2017-12-12/

    Adviser to the President of the Russian Federation Sergey Glazyev called the crypto currency "an objective need" because of the sanctions regime and allowed the use of them to circumvent external restrictions. He said this during a meeting in the presidential administration on the issue of determining the legal status of crypto-currencies and their legislative regulation.

    "There is an objective need for this instrument (crypto-currencies - RNS), connected, first, with the fact that banks are subject to sanctions, as is known, and do not want to conduct settlements. We are very suitable for sensitive activities for the state. We can, irrespective of sanctions, conduct settlements with our counterparties around the world, "Glazyev said.

    Also, the presidential adviser said that he supports the idea of ​​creating a national crypto currency: "The most interesting issue is the issue of the national crypto ... Digital ruble or cryptor, suppose that will be emitted in the same way as an ordinary ruble, only through the use of blocking technology."

    According to him, the creation of a national crypto currency would mean the creation of a new type of money, in addition to cash and non-cash.

    "That is, it is the same ruble, only its movement is limited in a certain way, it is arranged in a certain way. And nothing more to do is not necessary, "- summed up Glazyev.

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    Austin wrote:Presidential Advisor Glazyev allowed the use of crypto-currency to circumvent sanctions

    https://rns.online/finance/Glazev-dopustil-ispolzovanie-kriptovalyut-dlya-obhoda-sanktsii-2017-12-12/

    Adviser to the President of the Russian Federation Sergey Glazyev called the crypto currency "an objective need" because of the sanctions regime and allowed the use of them to circumvent external restrictions. He said this during a meeting in the presidential administration on the issue of determining the legal status of crypto-currencies and their legislative regulation.

    "There is an objective need for this instrument (crypto-currencies - RNS), connected, first, with the fact that banks are subject to sanctions, as is known, and do not want to conduct settlements. We are very suitable for sensitive activities for the state. We can, irrespective of sanctions, conduct settlements with our counterparties around the world, "Glazyev said.

    Also, the presidential adviser said that he supports the idea of ​​creating a national crypto currency: "The most interesting issue is the issue of the national crypto ... Digital ruble or cryptor, suppose that will be emitted in the same way as an ordinary ruble, only through the use of blocking technology."

    According to him, the creation of a national crypto currency would mean the creation of a new type of money, in addition to cash and non-cash.

    "That is, it is the same ruble, only its movement is limited in a certain way, it is arranged in a certain way. And nothing more to do is not necessary, "- summed up Glazyev.


    pls check some posts before I posted about Russia's system already in beta testing phase. It is gonna to be based on Ethenrneum. Because blockchain is not only money matters but also suitable on legal instruments.
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    Post  Austin Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:30 am

    ok will check GD ,what is Ethenrneum ?

    another good news

    Direct investment in Russia from Asia grew by a quarter

    Large projects in the oil and gas sector increased investments from the East

    China, Japan and India increased their accumulated direct investments in Russia in 2017 by 25% to $ 32.4 billion. The main growth was due to projects in the fuel and energy sector. This is stated in the report of the Center for Integration Studies of the Eurasian Development Bank (EDB EDB), which Izvestiya got acquainted with. In the future, Asian investors will be active in the manufacturing and mining sectors.
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    Austin wrote:ok will check GD ,what is Ethenrneum ?


    Post n°691 in innovation thread. But first you need to lift ignore on my posts :-)))
    Apologies with spelling mistake then name is:

    Ethereum

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum



    Direct investment in Russia from Asia grew by a quarter

    Large projects in the oil and gas sector increased investments from the East

    China, Japan and India increased their accumulated direct investments in Russia in 2017 by 25% to $ 32.4 billion. The main growth was due to projects in the fuel and energy sector. This is stated in the report of the Center for Integration Studies of the Eurasian Development Bank (EDB EDB), which Izvestiya got acquainted with. In the future, Asian investors will be active in the manufacturing and mining sectors.

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    This one I like especially:

    RIC meet: India and Russia must close all gaps in ties


    Read more at:

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/ric-meet-india-and-russia-must-close-all-gaps-in-ties/articleshow/62013787.cms


    Heh from Indian point of view but pretty balanced. IMHO wedge between India and China is primary objective for US. If thay wil not succeed they are dead already only no aware of it yet.
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:50 am

    IN my discussion in some other board on IMF SDR , it seems SDR is allocated by IMF based on many consideration each country has a quota and they cannot exceed that. https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=2237622&sid=f2c774c2b1146012230ac57992c16b06#p2237622

    IMF Quote for Each Country https://www.imf.org/external/np/tre/sdr/proposal/2009/0709.htm

    I am not sure how much IMF SDR does Russia hold but cannot exceed 5,671.8 million SDR , suprisingly this is close to what China has been allocated 6,752.9 million SDR


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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:17 pm

    Gref allowed the possibility of expanding US sanctions against the state debt of Russia

    https://ria.ru/economy/20171214/1510961296.html

    "Nobody excludes any" black swans ", the emergence of additional sanctions is one of such" black swans. "We are trying to forecast, including our response to this situation, but today I would not waste time on it," - he said, answering the relevant question of investors in London, where the largest Russian bank on Thursday presented a development strategy until 2020.

    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20171214/1510961296.html
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:19 pm

    Sanctioning Russian State Debt why would that be black swan event ?

    At best future debt wont be sold outside but what about exisiting foreign customer who has bought Russian Debt ?
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    Post  Airman Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:41 pm

    Record high grain production & record low inflation - Putin on Russia's economy
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    Post  par far Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:53 pm

    "DESPERATE BRITAIN FORCED TO IMPORT RUSSIAN GAS FROM SANCTION-TARGETED PROJECT."

    https://southfront.org/desperate-britain-forced-import-russian-gas-sanction-targeted-project/






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