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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:29 am

    Putin called the growth of the Russian economy an obvious fact

    https://iz.ru/683462/2017-12-15/putin-nazval-rost-ekonomiki-rossii-ochevidnym-faktom

    The Russian economy shows growth - this is an obvious fact. Such a statement was made by President Vladimir Putin at the annual big press conference.

    "As for the growth of the economy, it is still growing. This is an obvious fact. Here there are no pripis, "the head of state said.

    According to the Russian leader, the automobile industry, chemical industry, pharmaceuticals, and agriculture are now showing more growth than other sectors. The president also noted the growth of Russian exports. "We came in first place in the world in terms of grain exports," the head of state added.

    Also, the president added that in 2017 in Russia there was a record low inflation rate - at 2.5% in annual terms.

    In addition, foreign direct investment in the economy doubled compared to last year. They amounted to $ 23 billion.


    The fact that the Russian economy has emerged from the recession , and the growth of the gross domestic product in the country in the next two years will be 1.9%, was reported in the report of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations. About this portal iz.ru wrote on December 12.
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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:32 am

    Chart of the Day: Red Ponzi Update---The Party (Congress) Is Over

    Russian Economy General News: #8 - Page 15 ABOOK-Dec-2017-IPRSFAI-FAI-Monthly

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/chart-of-the-day-red-ponzi-update-the-party-congress-is-over/
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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:16 pm

    How Economic Shifts in China and India Could Impact Russia (Op-ed)

    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/how-economic-shifts-in-china-and-india-could-impact-russia-59951
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:38 pm

    The Central Bank of Russia has slashed interest rates by another 50points.
    The benchmark rate now stands at 7.75%

    http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/interestrates/Russia-Slashes-Rate-By-50-Bps-Signals-More-Reduction-1011532961
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:45 pm

    Austin wrote:How Economic Shifts in China and India Could Impact Russia (Op-ed)

    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/how-economic-shifts-in-china-and-india-could-impact-russia-59951

    Stop posting crap Moscow Times, it's all bullshit
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    Post  Kimppis Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:49 pm

    And so is his China chart. It also has nothing to do with Russia. Stop posting that BS.
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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:54 pm

    Relax Just another prespective , Read on the Moscow Time article is not anti-Russian as others are and David Stockman charts are based on facts
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:The Central Bank of Russia has slashed interest rates by another 50points.
    The benchmark rate now stands at 7.75%

    http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/interestrates/Russia-Slashes-Rate-By-50-Bps-Signals-More-Reduction-1011532961

    They must've been following our discussion in this thread Very Happy
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:41 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Central Bank of Russia has slashed interest rates by another 50points.
    The benchmark rate now stands at 7.75%

    http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/interestrates/Russia-Slashes-Rate-By-50-Bps-Signals-More-Reduction-1011532961

    They must've been following our discussion in this thread Very Happy

    Not quite. The inflation rate is now 2.5%. So the prime rate should be 2% or less.

    Nabiullina drinks NATO financing koolaid. She thinks that a zero CPI is natural. Zero CPI is physically impossible without a compensating
    real standard of living contraction. Even in the USA, where the middle class is shrinking, the CPI is about 2%. Russia cannot have the
    same inflation as the USA at its current development stage. A 4-5% inflation rate is actually normal, especially when there are still long
    term price adjustment transients associated with the transition to market economics.
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    Post  Austin Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:21 am

    Talk about biting your own foot


    Russia has increased its investments in US securities

    [quote]Thus, Russia played a reduction of this asset a month earlier, by the end of September, the portfolio of US bonds was $ 103.9 billion, and in August - $ 105.4 billion.
    In annual terms, the Russian portfolio of US bonds rose by 41.8% in October from $ 74.6 billion in October 2016.[\quote]


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20171216/1511086590.html
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:48 pm

    kvs wrote:Not quite.  The inflation rate is now 2.5%.   So the prime rate should be 2% or less.  

    Nabiullina drinks NATO financing koolaid.  She thinks that a zero CPI is natural.   Zero CPI is physically impossible without a compensating
    real standard of living contraction.    Even in the USA, where the middle class is shrinking, the CPI is about 2%.    Russia cannot have the
    same inflation as the USA at its current development stage.   A 4-5% inflation rate is actually normal, especially when there are still long
    term price adjustment transients associated with the transition to market economics.      

    I don't think the inflation will stay below 3% for long,...and I agree that a bit higher inflation (I think up to 4-5%) would be OK at this stage.

    Having interests rate below 2% could be useful for short periods in a crisis situation. Otherwise you end up like the Western countries with speculative bubles everywhere

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    Post  Austin Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:12 am

    Nice Documentary just released last month , Every one should and share , Gives a good idea at what state Russia was Economically Socially and Militarily when Putin took over and where it is today

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    Post  Austin Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:31 am

    At 39:00 onwards Kudrin speaking that by Jan 2001 Debt to GDP of Russia was 140 % of GDP and 1/3 of Budget would just go to servicing the debt and in interest payment !

    Compare that to today where Debt to GDP is 14 %
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:13 pm

    Damn, Putin was handsome. No homo of course.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:25 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Damn, Putin was handsome. No homo of course.

    Ah yes he was quite the devil Cool
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    Post  Austin Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:09 am

    Gazprom, CNPC sign agreement on basic conditions of gas supply from Far East to China

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    http://tass.com/economy/982188

    MOSCOW, December 21. /TASS/. Chief Executive Officer of Russia’s Gazprom company Alexey Miller and Chairman of China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) Wang Yilin have signed an agreement on the basic conditions of gas supply from Russia’s Far East to China, Gazprom said in a statement.

    "The document determines the main parameters of the future supplies, including their volume, the contract period, the timeframe to start the deliveries, the period to increase supplies and the border crossing point. The parties plan to sign the contract in 2018," the statement reads.

    During the working meeting in Beijing, the sides gave high marks to gas partnership, noting that the companies are successfully implementing the project to export Russian gas to China via the so-called ‘eastern route’, and cooperating in a number of other areas, including underground gas storage, gas power generation, use of gas as motor fuel.

    China’s state oil and gas company CNPC is Gazprom’s main partner in the country.

    Currently, Gazprom is building the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which will pump natural gas from the giant Chayanda oil and gas condensate deposit in Yakutia and the Kovykta gas condensate field in the Irkutsk Region in Eastern Siberia to deliver gas to the domestic market (via Khabarovsk to Vladivostok) and further on for exports to China. The pipe's section aimed for China will be built near Blagoveshchensk. The eastern route stipulates the supply of 38 billion cubic meters of natural gas to China annually within 30 years.

    In 2017, Gazprom investment in the Power of Siberia pipeline increased to 158.811 billion rubles ($2.7 bln) from 76.162 billion rubles ($1.3 bln) .

    The terms of the partnership in design, construction and operation of the cross-border zones of the gas pipeline are defined by an intergovernmental agreement dated October 13, 2014

    In 2015, Gazprom and CNPC signed an agreement on the basic conditions of pipeline gas deliveries from Western Siberia to China via the "Western" route (Power of Siberia-2 pipeline). Initially supplies are envisaged at 30 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

    Also in 2015, Gazprom and CNPC signed a memorandum of understanding on the project of pipeline shipments of natural gas to China from Russia’s Far East.
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    Post  Kimppis Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:55 am

    http://tass.com/economy/982340

    So Russia's GDP is only up 1.4% from January to November? Well, I guess it makes sense if the economy really grew only by 1% in November. But that is quite a disappointment, so much for that 2%, which I thought was if anything conservative... ffs the economy was up by 2.5% in Q2, 3.1% in May.

    So how the fuck was the growth much higher during H1!? It means IMF, and RCB were more accurate than the Ministry of Economic Development?

    I know it's largely symbolic, I mean it's the first year of growth since 2014, but it seems to interest rates really are hurting... Or maybe I'm not reading that right. (Yeah, just read it again and I don't think so. There's no way around it, from January to November the growth was only 1.4%.) The slowdown is actually huge, damn...
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:15 pm

    Kimppis wrote:http://tass.com/economy/982340

    So Russia's GDP is only up 1.4% from January to November? Well, I guess it makes sense if the economy really grew only by 1% in November. But that is quite a disappointment, so much for that 2%, which I thought was if anything conservative... ffs the economy was up by 2.5% in Q2, 3.1% in May.

    So how the fuck was the growth much higher during H1!? It means IMF, and RCB were more accurate than the Ministry of Economic Development?

    I know it's largely symbolic, I mean it's the first year of growth since 2014, but it seems to interest rates really are hurting... Or maybe I'm not reading that right. (Yeah, just read it again and I don't think so. There's no way around it, from January to November the growth was only 1.4%.) The slowdown is actually huge, damn...

    It is a miracle that Russia has positive GDP growth at all given the insane CBR rate policy. This is not
    a joke, the prime rate is one of the key controls over economic activity. In fact, it can be more important than
    changes in government spending since most of the private sector does not directly depend on the government and
    its spending.

    It is clear that many people on this board do not have a clue about the importance of this issue. You all should
    make an effort and note that all the major projects (e.g. Nord Stream II, high speed rail) all require massive
    bank loans up-front. No commercial entity uses savings for investment. This is why NATO tries to sanction Russia
    via access to banks. Nabiullina is a rank A criminal who knows that Russian companies are desperate for affordable
    loan rates (under 4%). Perhaps Gazprom can arrange for global financing at reasonable rates, but not every
    Russian company is a high roller that can get such deals. And when it comes to small and medium sized business,
    they are totally f*cked.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:55 pm

    kvs wrote:It is clear that many people on this board do not have a clue about the importance of this issue....

    The issue isn't whether high interest rates hurt economic activity but that it's a result of some foreign (illuminati Question ) controlled plot....I don't think it's that simple as you're suggesting
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:21 am

    Kimppis wrote:http://tass.com/economy/982340

    So Russia's GDP is only up 1.4% from January to November? Well, I guess it makes sense if the economy really grew only by 1% in November. But that is quite a disappointment, so much for that 2%, which I thought was if anything conservative... ffs the economy was up by 2.5% in Q2, 3.1% in May.

    So how the fuck was the growth much higher during H1!? It means IMF, and RCB were more accurate than the Ministry of Economic Development?

    I know it's largely symbolic, I mean it's the first year of growth since 2014, but it seems to interest rates really are hurting... Or maybe I'm not reading that right. (Yeah, just read it again and I don't think so. There's no way around it, from January to November the growth was only 1.4%.) The slowdown is actually huge, damn...

    Russian economy is in state of war. Whatever is done there first of all must ensure civil order so no scenes like in France, Germany or UK (in terms of demonstration)should be permitted. Stability over risk is IMHO chosen scenario.

    Can if go faster? perhaps. Is CBR too conservative? perhaps. First of all I'd look at timing of dividend payments, timing of western debts return, and no less important presidential campaign. I am sure US already prepared some economic "surprises" to shake economy, possibly not sharing with KVS thus he is bitching so much CBS keeping higher rate.

    Meanwhile in Russia there is huge campaign of sealing money leaks (banking system sanation) , building legal base for healthy economic growth and living within own means.

    Lets wait for first half of new year what will happen. My guess is if no outside wars close to Russia's borders or no economic depression worldwide we'll see drop of % rate to 6,5-7 . Perhaps more. I hope more programs supporting real economy.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:23 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    kvs wrote:It is clear that many people on this board do not have a clue about the importance of this issue....

    The issue isn't whether high interest rates hurt economic activity but that it's a result of some foreign (illuminati Question ) controlled plot....I don't think it's that simple as you're suggesting

    what illumianti what illuminati? you mean charity donors and Open Russia sponsors ?
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:45 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:what illumianti what illuminati? you mean charity donors and Open Russia sponsors ?

    Oh come on now, you know who they are Cool
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    Post  Austin Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:59 am

    David Stockman - Thundering Collision Coming in Bond Market

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    Post  Austin Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:06 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Lets wait for first half of new year what will happen. no economic depression worldwide we'll see drop of % rate to 6,5-7 . Perhaps more. I hope more programs supporting real economy.

    Jim Rickards states the coming crisis will happen in 2018 as per his calculations , Read the whole interview its informative

    https://www.businessinsider.in/we-talked-to-an-economist-who-predicted-the-great-recession-about-the-next-financial-crisis/articleshow/61883539.cms
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    Post  Austin Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:16 am

    Russia & China to kneecap petrodollar in 2018 predicts Saxo Bank

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