Russian Economy General News: #9

Putin must be doing it right if he gets peanut gallery attacks from all parts of the political spectrum.

When you hear a chorus of support, then you know something is wrong as was the case at all times in history (e.g. 1930s in various places).

ZoA wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

You're one to talk..........

I did not see you contribute anything meaningful. Vacuous comments from peanut gallery are useless.

Much more than your whining, lying ass.  All you contributed to this is - Putin is DUmb hur durrr. Russian economy is dying, hurrrrr.  Thanks Libtards.

Go do something else with your life, cause this isn't working for you.  Let us just talk news rather than hearing your diatribe. Unlike you, we actually provided NEWS and talked about it, rather than hearing you cry the same shit every time. Yeah, you hate Putin and the CBR and what not. We get it. Now fuck off.

Thanks.

As has been pointed out multiple times before, Muslims contribute to less than 10% of the population. More like 7%. And all of them are in the small, southern regions with the exception of migration to some major cities.

Their birthrates are about the same as rest of Russia too.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....
I must disagree on this. Look at Iran, one of safest countries to visit as a tourist... much more probable you get knife on your back in London or Paris. not necessarily from young Arabs. Most of muslims are OK. Lets not mix aggresive parasitic scum saying they ar Islam from Muslims. Look at Ukraine. What is difference pro-western "democratic" junta from ISIS? And if you go to Morocco you actually can feel much safer then in say Brussels were descents of Moroccan immigrants live...

I know that, I was shitting on whites not on Muslims

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
@ALL of YOU LADS

-  Look at what's cookin'
Really worth reading

Experts: VEB should become a key instrument for implementing the objectives of the May decree

Подробнее на ТАСС:
http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5246697

tell me that Kudrin is wrong now...

Kudrin told in what case the government can raise VAT

MOSCOW, May 30 - RIA Novosti. The government of the Russian Federation may consider raising the VAT if it does not dare to relax the budget rule, the head of the Russian Audit Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, believes.

"Today, oil prices are higher than $ 70 per barrel, and you can replace this rule (change the cut-off price in the budget rule from $ 40 to $ 45 per barrel) to $ 45 per barrel by $ 5 per barrel. taxes, "Kudrin said, speaking at the Primakov Readings forum.

The second option, he said, could be an increase in the budget deficit by 0.5% of GDP relative to the current budget.

РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20180530/1521724610.html

Can you translate this for us non-versed in art of economy?

anyone knows , if the Trump Steel /aluminum wars will benefit or damage Russia economy ?

There are reports that says totally the opposite.. one that will benefit Russia ..


(old report from March )
Goldman Sachs: Trump’s tariffs will benefit Russia and China
https://www.fastcompany.com/40540056/goldman-sachs-trumps-tariffs-will-benefit-russia-and-china

Others reports says that will damage Russia aluminum and steel exports..
and damage Russia economy.. So which is it ? Trump metals trade war good or bad for Russia?

It was said that the biggest losers of a trade Metals wars will be Canada ,Mexico and Brazil who export
Steel and alumininum to US for better prices...  But what will happen if all buyers of US steel ,just shift towards Russia and Asia and buy their steel there ?  Can't Europe just buy the steel /aluminum from Russia and save
money in transportation since Russia is near that America?

Today May 31 ,it is expected US will restart the tariff on Aluminum and Metal.
https://sputniknews.com/world/201805311064963953-eu-us-trade/

what is crazy about all this is that even Goldman Sach who are big GLobalist banking in the
west , oppose Trump trade war ,saying that it will benefit Russia and China .. ?? and that the jobs
Trump create in metals will means economic losses and job losses for the automobile industry and
Beer and cokecola who use aluminum and will need to pay higher prices..


IF Trump strategy to make America Great again , is to bankrupt the 1% elite ,then that could be something..
but i don't think US government does anything without a reason.. To risk a trade war with Europe , could
only happen if they believe it will damage seriously Russia economy and the automobile industry in Russia
from European car makers.. like i said before Americans foreign policy have been in the past 100% all
about how to sabotage and isolate Russia economy. Obama targeted the Oil prices and now Trump targeting
Aluminum and steel prices.. looks more like an continuation of a trade war with Russia , that they so desperate
to slow down Russia economy , that they are ready to sacrifice their own allies. Canada and Europe.

anyone knows if this metals Trade Wars is really bad news for Russia or will not damage Russia much ?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Looks like we've gone way off topic, i wonder if Garry can move tis discussion to the population thread.

shhhhhh he is now not here lst stay low
but oki lest move to other threat - or you open one?  

Ok, it's been moved.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t1518p375-russian-population

Vann7 wrote:anyone knows , if the Trump Steel /aluminum wars will benefit or damage Russia economy ?

There are reports that says totally the opposite.. one that will benefit Russia ..


(old report from March )
Goldman Sachs: Trump’s tariffs will benefit Russia and China
https://www.fastcompany.com/40540056/goldman-sachs-trumps-tariffs-will-benefit-russia-and-china

Others reports says that will damage Russia aluminum and steel exports..
and damage Russia economy.. So which is it ? Trump metals trade war good or bad for Russia?

It was said that the biggest losers of a trade Metals wars will be Canada ,Mexico and Brazil who export
Steel and alumininum to US for better prices...  But what will happen if all buyers of US steel ,just shift towards Russia and Asia and buy their steel there ?  Can't Europe just buy the steel /aluminum from Russia and save
money in transportation since Russia is near that America?

Today May 31 ,it is expected US will restart the tariff on  Aluminum and Metal.
https://sputniknews.com/world/201805311064963953-eu-us-trade/

what is crazy about all this is that even Goldman Sach who are big GLobalist banking in the
west , oppose Trump trade war ,saying that it will benefit Russia and China .. ?? and that the jobs
Trump create in metals will means economic losses and job losses for the automobile industry and
Beer and cokecola who use aluminum and will need to pay higher prices..


IF Trump strategy to make America Great again , is to bankrupt the 1% elite ,then that could be something..
but i don't think US government does anything without a reason.. To risk a trade war with Europe , could
only happen if they believe it will damage seriously Russia economy and the automobile industry in Russia
from European car makers.. like i said before Americans foreign policy have been in the past 100% all
about how to sabotage and isolate Russia economy.  Obama targeted the Oil prices and now Trump targeting
Aluminum and steel prices.. looks more like an continuation of a trade war with Russia , that they so desperate
to slow down Russia economy , that they are ready to sacrifice their own allies.  Canada and Europe.

anyone knows if this metals Trade Wars is really bad news for Russia or will not damage Russia much ?

The tarrifs are on steel from EU, Canada and Mexico sold to Amiland. So EU won´t buy steel from Russia, they will have more steel.

miketheterrible wrote:

ZoA wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

You're one to talk..........

I did not see you contribute anything meaningful. Vacuous comments from peanut gallery are useless.

Much more than your whining, lying ass.  All you contributed to this is - Putin is DUmb hur durrr. Russian economy is dying, hurrrrr.  Thanks Libtards.

Go do something else with your life, cause this isn't working for you.  Let us just talk news rather than hearing your diatribe.  Unlike you, we actually provided NEWS and talked about it, rather than hearing you cry the same shit every time.  Yeah, you hate Putin and the CBR and what not.  We get it.  Now fuck off.

Thanks.

Oh, I'm sorry for questioning supreme intellect and master plan of you idol Putin. I thought this is forum about Russia and Russian' military, not Putin adoration society.

All this idiotic xenophobic fear of Muslim that US propaganda is pushing, and may fools are buying, is total idiotism. There were Muslims in Russia sense Katharine the great, and it was hardly ever a problem. Religions discrimination and phobias will cause far more problem then any change in religion demographics.

Now days Russian Muslims proved some of the best infantry in the world ( Kadirow's Chechens), rivalled only by Hezbolla in quality. They also provide cultural bridge to other Muslim nations of central and Sout West Asia, what can be useful in spreading Russian influence in that region. They are massive asset benefiting Russia, and those that want to create some kid of identity politics divide among Russian citizens based on religion are only working to undermine Russia. This is why US propaganda is spreading such xenophobia.

http://tass.com/economy/1006568

Essentially the Europeans keep saying how great Russia is to invest in but because of sanctions and counter sanctions, its not easy. And then goes on to complain about Russian counter sanctions. In other words, these assholes want to control Russias economy and trying to word things around to make it sound like Russia would ever become "competitive" in Europe markets only if they give incentives to......european companies. Obviously for people who have zero idea, it sounds great that these promises. But in reality, it is all about trying to get European companies to flood Russia and make money in Russia and undermining Russian companies.

Actually, sanctions and counter sanctions have been a godsend for Russian companies. Something this article is trying to make it sound like the opposite. They do not want businessmen in Russia who actually harm Russia, get a slap on the wrist for agreeing with Sanctions.

To hell with them. They really do not need Europe at all and the Europeans know this as Russia proved it already. They just try to use the "economic" sector of Russias establishment as a method to push their drivel.

No they moan about tariffs imposed by Amiland but still keep the sanctions against Russia in place. Cost: roughly 150 - 200 Bill. Euros. Idiots!

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Russia is federation of 100+ ethnic groups... imagine if they turn against each other? Russia ceases to exist...

BTW US Muslims are OK dont they?

Irrational xenophobic attitudes like this is exactly what will course them to turn against each other. As someone that lives in former Yugoslavian republic i can personalty testify how idiotic nationalism can destroy a good thing. Especially when combined with idiotic liberal economic policies.

In fact this entire scenario developed  by US propaganda and it's agents in Russia is very reminiscent to situation in Yugoslavia just before its collapse. We have US and EU propaganda stroking xenophobia at the same time as Russian equivalents of Ante Markjović (Kudin and his 5th column gang) are setting up conditions for total economic collapse.

ZoA wrote:All this idiotic xenophobic fear of Muslim that US propaganda is pushing, and may fools are buying, is total idiotism. There were Muslims in Russia sense Katharine the great, and it was hardly ever a problem. Religions discrimination and phobias will cause far more problem then any change in religion demographics.

Now days Russian Muslims proved some of the best infantry in the world ( Kadirow's Chechens), rivalled only by Hezbolla in quality. They also provide cultural bridge to other Muslim nations of central and Sout West Asia, what can be useful in spreading Russian influence in that region. They are massive asset benefiting Russia, and those that want to create some kid of identity politics divide among Russian citizens based on religion are only working to undermine Russia. This is why US propaganda is spreading such xenophobia.

No offense , but you have very little knowledge of Russia history and the very critical role  ,
Religion played in Russia history , in a (positive and negative) ways since Russia empire was funded to this date.
As you should know Creation of Tsarist Russia was made by Orthodox Christian monks.. and the Russian language
or alphabet ,was inspired by Greeks Orthodox Christians..  So Christianity played a key role in the culture of Russia
and on its laws too.. While Islam allowed many womens marriage , Christianity only allowed one. And Christianity promoted the concept of womens being equal , something different with Islam or Judaism. Only thanks to Christian orthodox religion adopted by Russia ,it was possible for womens to become leaders of Russia empire.. Something like that will have not been accepted by Jews or Muslim in those times. The first Russian tzar Ruled both Russia and the Russian orthodox Church.. so he could give you a Sermon in the church and later rule Russia politics.. all this later split a bit , but still Orthodox Christianity traditions and Culture played an major identity role in Russia history.
This means that because Russia was an Orthodox State... the nation became a major issue and competition for Muslim and Jews in Russia Empire.  

All Internal major civil wars in Russia ,done by the common average citizens ,were all lead by JEWS or By Muslims.. Coincidence?
you have the Bolshevick revolution. which was a Jews revolution vs Christian Russia . . and then you have the not one but TWO chechen wars that lasted near ~15-20 years.. lead by muslims.. Jews killed 2 Tzars  ..Alexander and Nicholas II.. and during the Russian revolution and the first thing they did when took power was destroy all the Russian Orthodox churches ,kill the monks and declared illegal religion.. welcome to the Lenin's soviet union. The original revolution ,began to collapse with Stalin new reforms that was more tolerant for Christians after world war 2. And the leaders of bolshevic revolutions were thousands of Jews ,that came from Britain.. during the times Nicholas II was losing the war with Germany and after losing another with Japan..This was the Euromaidan style. .tactics.. Take advantage of major popularity problems of the Tzar and Russia bad economy to lead a revolution .. It was Muslims TATARS who joined Hitler to help NAzis conquer Crimea.. and during Catherin the Great ,you had another attempt to destroy Russia from the inside by Muslim Cossacks..
the so called Pugachev's Rebellion..  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Rebellion

They took control of Kazan..and were seeking to overthrow the Tzar.. So Muslim and Jews HISTORICALLY have been the most anti patriotic citizens of Russia.. the troublemakers.. They Both.. jews and muslim simply did not adapted to Russia orthodox Faith and each one wanted to impose their religion as the state religion.  It was for nothing.. that Jews were NOT ALLOWED to build residences in moscow in the capital . and it was no different for muslim.. Tsarist Russia avoided the concentration of Jews or muslim in moscow for fear of they creating troubles..  Catherine and all the Tzars always had major distrust in them..because they created problems in Europe too.. What was Russo-Turkish wars if not a religious war? Russia pushing muslim away from Europe?
Armenian Genocide , what was that if not an ethnic cleansing of Christians ? What was the Yugoeslavia war if not
Muslims vs Christians ?

Interestingly , The Budist people.. did not had a problem integrating with Christian culture..
This is because Both Christianity and Budism..have much stronger preference for peace over violence.
many Jews in the other hand promotes wars , whenever it benefits Israel.. while muslim when it benefits Islam.

The entire world history is full of thousands of examples , of how Jews , Muslims, they never integrate fully in any place that Christianity values dominate society behavior. Syrian war ? what is this if not a religious sectarian war ,incited by NATO on Syria?  Pro Christians values/secular Syrians  vs Sectarian Islam only muslims?

You had Muslim in Kazan ,promoting laws like child marriage or trying to limit the influence of Orthodox Church
in their regions. So there are major tensions of Muslims against Christians all the time in Russia.. just because
you don't see wars happening , does not means the tensions don't exist.. Beach for womens only? and covering the hair of womens mandatory are other major problems Muslims have with the kremlin.

Jews always seek to seize power in any place they go. and impose their politics. and muslim always seek to impose their religion . So those 2 religious factions are the ones that more oppose to Russia rules and laws.. have been major problems for Russia through history ... the most dangerous revolution of Russia ,were done by those 2 factions.. Jews and muslim can be influenced from abroad by enemy nations of Russia.. orthodox Christians in the other hand are more supportive of their nation. Muslim thinks in terms of ISLAM FIRST.. and they don't recognize much Borders..they thing the entire world should be under islam control..  Jews in the other hand think in Jews First.. they are never patriotic , but more self centered and don't care about what is good for the state. instead think only in taking power for their own benefits.. So muslim and jews are the biggest 5th column in Russia.. The Liberals in Russia , -->the jews . they want to abolish Russia state and transform Russia into another Saudi arabia.. Since they see christianity as the biggest threat of Islam.. and Jews see Russia as the biggest threat of controlling the world. So is not an unfunded fear..Islam in my opinion is the biggest internal threat of Russia . ISIS can only recruit in zones were Islam grows..There is no place for jihadism to grow in christians communities.. this is why is NOT surprising that all the terrorist
that came from Russia to Syria , they all 100% of them. .came from Muslim majority regions in Russia. majority chechens or from dagestan.. So there is a very real serious threat Russia face with Islam.. even if it is "moderate".
Because Muslim are not patriotic and they see the domination of Islam more important ,than Russia existence itself. While Russians , orthodox Russians are not so attached so much to religious dogma . For them Russia is first . So Islam do represent a major threat for Russia.. including Kadirov ,that sometimes makes headline for his
emotional ultimatums to Moscow.. it was him who threatened to kill FSB officers do capture terrorist if enter in Chechenia without his permission...   So anyone who says Islam does not pose a threat to Russia don't know Russia history and neither understand Islam..  In IRAN the lovely IRAN.. that is allied to Russia ,so moderate right? fighting ISIS no ? In IRAN the laws sentence to death penalty ,any muslim who convert to islam... how about that?  Majority of the muslim nations have zero Tolerance for allowing Christianity to grow in their countries..
and this IS the real reason why so many radical muslins from all middle east attack Syria.. in syria is the only nation in Middle east.. (maybe Lebanon too) that there is TRUE FREEDOM of religion.. and is not illegal for muslims to convert to any religion they want.  So in summary Muslim and Jews are the biggest security threat for Russia.. Not all wars are religious motivated , but the most dangerous wars are.. The ones leading the charge today against Russia are the anglo Jewish Elite in the west.. So religion indentification do play a major role in world wars.. there are rivalries between Jews , Christians and Muslim that have remained hidden for centuries and nobody dare to speak about it.. The unsolved differences between (Jews ,Muslim) vs (Christians)..for fear of major persecution of either Jews or Muslim and major civil unrest.

You see very fact that Vann himself is pushing this xenophobic line shows how bad idea it is.

Before I continue, may I suggest that we conduct further discussions about muzzys in the Russian demographics thread? I fear that the discussion here is getting way off topic.

I fully agree with Vann's assessment. Muslims (Majority of them) are always a source of trouble in areas where there is significant numbers of them. The islamic violence that most of you people see on TV or internet is just the tip of the iceberg, To truly understand and witness how bad Islam and Muslims really are, one must personally experience living in a place where there are lots of them, then you'll understand why non-Muslims have generally negative attitudes towards Muslims. Because of Muslims, India has been partitioned and regularly suffers from Islamic Terrorism, same case is for Russia, China, Thailand, Philippines, Nigeria, Myanmar etc. Muslims always demand for their own laws and eventually will secede if given a chance, But on the other hand, minorities in Islamic countries are always treated as secondary citizens and are required most of the time to recognize Muzzys as the "Ruler" of the land. (Saudi Arabia, most gulf countries, even Malaysia).

So what can be done? in Russia's case, gradual Christianization and Russufication is the ONLY effective solution, look at Yakutia, most of the indigenous people there have been successfully Russified, the result? Peace and Prosperity, you dont hear Plsslamic terrorists blowing up people over there.

Also, accusing people of Xenophobia for criticizing and disliking Muslims is unfounded, You dont dislike a person for No reason at all. We all know that Islam and its followers always cause trouble in areas where they are found. We need to stop sugarcoating Islam and identify it as what it truly is, a threat to civilized societies.

Please stop this shit about corruption and ineffectiveness. Western BS.

According to guys with real knowledge about the country (like Patrick Armstrong, Jon Hellevig and others) Russia is much more effective then any western country. Most of the bureaucracy is much better than in the west. You don´t build airports in 2 years or large bridges in less than 2,5 years if you are corrupt and wasteful.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Hole wrote:Please stop this shit about corruption and ineffectiveness. Western BS.

Are you trying to say there is no corruption? Vostochny - spetsstroy. The problem with Russia is that Soviet system died, Russian is nto yet built. all this capital flow abroad, all offshore companies and billions for projects which are never materialized? SAP in military, how many billion s were lost because of "one day companies" as man-in- the middle?

Iam not claiming that west is super or Russia baaaad. Nevertheless way Russian administration works is not particularly very ineffective.  Putin cannot work solving average Russian problem because he cannot work on 150 mln people one by one. WTF is law makers an administration ?!  What about this tragic fire in Zimnaya Vishnya? or today's mall  fire? where were people responsible fore this before tragedy?

That shit happens everywhere. You can't get rid of it.

Also, to bitch about Kudrin going to take down Russia economically, is stupid. Replying to ZoA is stupid. He will talk his nonsense till Kudrin is dead and someone else gets in and Russia is still a United country. None of this is worthwhile to comment on him because, let's face it, Russia is growing economically. So that should be enough to know ZoA is lying and being like Vann.

So.block him or I'm blocking you. Cause you are wasting our fucking time here with these walls of stupidity you and zoa are filling up. I'll ask mods to start cleaning up this thread cause you and him are ruining it.

Also, please try your best to make sure you sentences make sense. Cause your spelling (spell check exists) is horrendous and you might as well talk in your native language and let the rest of us use Yandex translate instead.