VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

Su-34

I would like to know what are the projected numbers of production for the Russian air-force for these aircrafts

Su-50=
Su-35=
Su-30=
Su-34=

for example 250 su-50..?

Do you mean PAK FA?

Su-50 does not exist and will not exist for a while... BTW T-50 means 50th prototype with triangular wing from Sukhoi design bureau.

Otherwise the Su-27 would be called the Su-10 because its prototype was called T-10.

Note also Russian and Soviet fighters have even numbers... Mig 15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,33,35 Su-9,11,15,17,21,25,27,33,35.

Even numbers are for non fighters like the Su-24 strike aircraft or the Su-34 strike aircraft or the Su-30 mini AWACS interceptor, or the Tu-128 interceptor.

BTW last numbers I saw was about 160 by 2020 of PAK FA.

About 96 Su-35s, probably a similar number of Su-30s and Su-27SMs, and probably about 250 Su-34s.

160 PAK-FA only to replace su-27 and mig-29? i thought RuAF demands were at 250-300 eircrafts

160 PAK-FA by 2020 is extremely optimistic, I would bet on half that number as a solid starting point.

Current Su-35 order is 48, another 48 expected before 2020. So 96 by 2020.
Su-34 order is currently 92, but is projected to go up to ~140 before 2020.
Su-30 has a current order for 30, but another batch is likely, for AF or Navy (12 for Fleet), or for both.

Man I wish the good old days when all those aviation factories that coughed up 50 aircraft per month while now even owning a lot of that huge USSR industrial base now its barely 50 aircraft per decade. i simply cannot imagine how russia is still considered a major global power with this kind of military production. Even Germany can rival this rate.

Yeah capitalism and free market gives Sooooo much prosperity

50 a decade? Far more this decade, when normal funding has been provided. When exports are considered, production is even better.
Helicopter production is massive for example.
Nobody save the US and in some sectors China has the same military aviation production industry.

Germany doesn't make squat diddly in terms of military aviation alone, and their total numbers are nothing to write home about.
And this is Europe's biggest economy....

Back in the "good old days" half the country was working to sustain a massive and exhausting military complex.

160 PAK-FA only to replace su-27 and mig-29? i thought RuAF demands were at 250-300 eircrafts

More like 200-250, and the plane will be in service for a couple of decades and will only enter service after 2016.

Production doesn't happen by magic you know. Production lines need to be set up and tooled, and workers trained. They currently have 4 flying prototypes... in the next few years they will build 6 more so they have 10 aircraft to get through all the testing quickly and the first serial aircraft to go to testing units in 2016.

If we compare with the only other comparable aircraft... the F-22, it was first developed as a concept in 1981, the first YF-22 was built in August 1990. When did it enter operational service? 2006? over a period when the US was spending more on "defence" than ever before and had not had any economic collapses like the Russians did over the same period...

There is no thousand planes a year factory just sitting there waiting for orders, and it would be an enormous drain on the Russian economy if there was.

The Russians are being perfectly sensible... in comparison the USAF wanted thousands of F-22s, then it was 900, then it was 750 at a bare minimum, and now it is 188 or so.

They plane to order abuot 160 before 2020, though of course they will not likely deliver that many, but longer term plans are for about 200-250.

The simple fact is that upgraded Su-27s and Mig-29s will remain in service for a little while yet, and with minor upgrades they are able to do the job perfectly well. Add to the numbers about 200 odd Mig-31s and parhaps another 96 odd Mig-35s or Mig-29M2s and you have a few options.

The days of the Soviet Union are over... and good riddance... the production numbers were high because the aircraft were simple and basic... a modern Mig-29M2 has better air to air capability than 30-40 Mig-21s and Mig-23s, and in terms of ground attack with the proper weapons it is better than an Su-24 in terms of finding targets, communications, and weapon sophistication. It only lacks in terms of payload capacity and flight range and low level speed and comfort of ride at that low altitude.

http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/3617/

In 2013, Su-25 will be getting a thermal camera.

Nice.

I would like to see them add both sat guided bomb capability and also the bombing computer system they were fitting to the Tu-22M3 and Su-24M2s.

Being able to use cheap dumb bombs with accuracy makes it a very valuable little aircraft, having computer generated aiming marks in the HUD just makes it more accurate and capable, but for well protected targets then missiles like Hermes and Kh-25 with TV and Laser and IIR seekers would be very useful.

A thermal camera to give night and all weather capability is good news... there was talk of a thermal sight for the Su-25SM, but they cheaped out and said it would use a radar for night and all weather use... which never happened either.

Wasn't meant to be new build Su-25UBM?

medo wrote:Wasn't meant to be new build Su-25UBM?

Yeah @ Ulan-Ude, but that plane has been in "testing" for the past 4 years.

http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11436633@egNews

Normal flight hours for long-range aviation around 150 today.

Well i found this article regarding the 2020 arms porgram, could som one be nice nough as to translate the /chart/ which is located in it?^^


Thanks.


http://twower.livejournal.com/901249.html

That chart is just authors opinion- it is based on info that we generally already know, but also has some inaccuracies.

It's believed to be more or less correct. The only major thing missing is the recent report about the MiG-35 which came out after this list was compiled.

I'll see if I can translate it in the next few days...depending on available time

Here's the translation:

Strategic and long range bombers

New

none

...

Modernized

16 Tu-160
36 Tu-95MS
30 Tu-22M3

...

Old

20 Tu-95MS
70 Tu-22M3


---------------------


Military transport and refueling aviation

New

39 Il-476
30 Il-478 (refueling)
60 An-70
50 MTA (Il-214)
30 L-410
20 An-148
10 An-140-100
100 light transport
3 Tu-154M

...

Modernised

20 An-124-100
41 Il-76MDM

...

Old

4 An-124
60 Il-76MD
20 Il-78 (refueling)
5 An-22

at least 20 An-26/30
at least 10 Tu-154B
at least 10 Tu-134UBL


----------------------


Special purpose aircraft


New

2 Tu-204ON
2 Tu-204R
at least 5 A-100

...

Modernised

at least 10 Il-20
at least 10 Il-22
12 A-50U

...


Old

None



-------------------


Tactical aviation


New

60 T-50
120 Su-35S
60 Su-30SM
4 Su-30M2
12 Su-27SM3
34 MiG-29SMT/UBM
140 Su-34
12 Su-25UBM
80 Yak-130

...


Modernised


120 MiG-31BM
55 Su-27SM
120 Su-24M/MR
10 MiG-25RB
150 Su-25SM

...


Old
150 Su-27
100 MiG-29
50 Su-24M/MR
50 Su-25
100 L-39


------------------


Army aviation


New

167 Mi-28N/NM
180 Ka-52
49 Mi-35M
38 Mi-26T/T2
500 Mi-8MTV/AMTSh
100 Ka-62
70 Ansat-U
36 Ka-226
100 light helos


...


Modernised

30 Mi-24PN
20 Mi-VMTKO
20 Mi-26T

...


Old

10 Ka-50
100 Mi-24V/P
300 Mi-8T/MTV
20 Mi-2

MiG Describes a Road To Recovery

He expects the Russian MoD to place orders for MiG-35Ds next year or in 2014......

Take Off Magazine November 2012

http://en.take-off.ru/arhiv/746

TheArmenian wrote:Best photos of Kh-101/102 ever published yet can be found in the latest issue of COMBAT AIRCRAFT magazine. Together with extremely interesting information about the missiles.
http://www.combataircraft.net/view_issue.asp?ID=4723

OK, here we go. The pictures from the magazine have appeared on this site: http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html

Heh, I was the one who originally cropped that image from a PDF. Posted it here and on Keypub, after you mentioned the magazine.


I see "our" pic has made rounds

Austin wrote:Take Off Magazine November 2012

http://en.take-off.ru/arhiv/746

Many thanks ! General Yuri Guskov interview was very insightful.