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    Post  TR1 Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:28 pm

    That seems awfully conservative, since the numbers for 2012 in the Western Mil District were:

    Flight hours increased in 2012, for an average of 125/pilot in the Western Military District.
    Pilots from Kursk (MiG-29SMT) flew an average of 150 hours.
    The helicopter base @ Vyazma reported more than 215 hours.
    Transport aviation units had a minimum of 170 hours.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:33 am

    I'm guessing they're talking about the minimum standards. The hours will always vary from unit to unit depending on how active they are.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:07 am

    A bit of fan art...

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:00 am

    in terms of pods there is also:

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    But I rather suspect that the Su-35 and Mig-35 will have less need for extra external pods because they will likely have all that equipment included already.

    PAK FA pretty much uses a pod for ground attack only as it is otherwise optimised for air to air with all its radars and other sensors with the pod being used to add capability in a secondary role.

    The best use of pods is to give capabilities to aircraft that are otherwise much less capable... for instance a Damocles pod would greatly improve the air to ground and air to air capability of an early model Flanker or Fulcrum, but for later models of both aircraft such pods add redundant features.

    For instance a pod added to an Su-27SM might allow passive detection of a tank, but its built in GLONASS navigation sensor in addition to a powerful laser rangefinder might allow the aircraft to determine the physical coordinates of the target which could be passed to a Satellite guided bomb which is then released to hit the target on its own.

    Without the pod the aircraft could probably have used its radar to find the target and perform the same attack but the IR view of the target would probably have been more useful in identifying the target as hostile more effectively than radar.

    BTW nice fan art, but it would not be very safe to fly so close to UCAVs... their ability to fly in formation might not be good enough for safety... ideally the SKATs would fly high and much closer to the target area...
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    Post  Austin Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:07 pm

    Russian Air Force by 2020 will receive two thousand helicopters and airplanes
    February 5, 2013 Choose the date 15:46

    Kazan. February 5. INTERFAX.RU - The Russian Defense Ministry is implementing an ambitious program of modernization of the Air Force, said Tuesday the head of the Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    "For this purpose, the government has allocated substantial funds. According to this program until the end of 2020 we will receive from the industrial enterprises of about two thousand new aircraft systems, including 985 helicopters" - Shoigu said, opening the meeting on the purchase of aircraft for the needs of the Ministry of Defense, which takes place on the basis of the Kazan helicopter plant.



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    Post  Austin Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:08 pm

    So we are looking at 985 helicopters and 1015 Aircraft any idea on what could be the break up like ?

    Looks like a big number considering these are new aircraft
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    Post  eridan Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:19 pm

    who knows? here's my rough guess, as good as anyone's.

    400 mi8 variants
    300 mi28 and ka52 (roughly 50/50?)
    100 ka62
    50 mi35
    50 ansat
    50 ka226
    30 mi26

    40 il76md-90a
    30 an-140
    10 tu204
    50 pakfa
    60 su30sm
    110 su34
    80 su35
    50 su25 (new)
    150 yak130
    80 mig29 (new)
    30 new design LTA (il112?)

    i must say i don't have an idea how to get to new 1000 airplanes. Unless there is a new primary trainer in the works... (yak52 are all going to be just modernized, not replaced, right?) and unless various smaller unmanned airplanes are to be included in that figure...

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    Post  Hachimoto Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:19 pm

    Why are you guessing just 50 Pak-fa ? the production will start 2015/2016 soi in 5 years they will make just 50 unit of their most focused project ? Sad
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    Post  eridan Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:29 pm

    i'm just trying to be cautious. su-34 and su-35, which are less of a technological leap programmes with less oportunity for something to go wrong both have plans for similar numbers of produced planes in their first 5 years of production.

    but even if its 80 or whatever figure of pakfa, that still doesn't take us to 1000 planes.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:47 am

    Not exactly.

    OOps, My bad... thanks for the correction TheArmenian... you are quite right...

    40 il76md-90a
    30 an-140
    10 tu204
    50 pakfa
    60 su30sm
    110 su34
    80 su35
    50 su25 (new)
    150 yak130
    80 mig29 (new)
    30 new design LTA (il112?)

    Well just looking at transport aircraft there is the LTA, and MTA, possibly 100 An-70s, Il-476, and perhaps several dozen An-124s too.

    If we look at the aircraft they have and how many need replacing I am sure 1,000 planes is an easy figure to reach.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:08 pm

    Nice - 4 new MIG-29K in this year. Russian fighter production is about to gain speed this year with about 40+ new fighters being delivered in 2013.



    The aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" will receive 4 first fighter in 2013
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:06 am

    Annual Report RAC "MiG" for 2012

    LINK

    Interesting thing for is this part:



    Basic research and development work:

    modernization of MiG-29 SMT, consisting of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation;
    modernization MiG-29B/UB being on the Indian Air Force, a variant MiG-29UPG/UPG UB (three of leader machines delivered in December 2012).


    So does this mean RuAF intends to SMT all or at least some of its MIGs.
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:28 am

    Looks like it according to the link you posted. The number of MiG-29's that would be upgraded is unclear though
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    Post  Viktor Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:10 am

    http://stardefense.blogspot.com/2013/07/su-35-capable-of-previously-unheard-of.html



    Cyberspec wrote:Looks like it according to the link you posted. The number of MiG-29's that would be upgraded is unclear though

    True, but this is the first word that any MIGs will be modernized.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:35 pm

    Well after evaluation of many different proposals and projects Russian Generals have chosen one that will move forward - development work starts in 2014.

    Development of a new Russian bomber will start in 2014
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:57 am

    UOMZ is testing a new targeting container which is apparently a successor to their previous unsuccessful "Sapsan" project. No details are available as yet (it's classified). The article says it's aimed at equipping VVS Su-30SM's but can be used by other aircraft. Sounds like they're going to be marketing it for export as a upgrade for older types such as the Su-17/22, Su-25, Mig-21/23

    Arrow http://lenta.ru/news/2013/07/04/pod/
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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:30 am

    More Su-34s and Su-30SMs for Russian Air Force

    This spring, the Russian Air Force received more of advanced Sukhoi warplanes under earlier-signed contracts. On 6 May 2013, as part of the ceremony of inaugurating a new runway at the Defence Ministry State Flight Test Centre named after Valery Chkalov in the town of Akhtubinsk, the media were shown the new Su-34 tactical bomber (side number 34) that came in from the Sukhoi’s Novosibirsk Aircraft Plant that day and another Su-30SM supermanoeuvrable multirole two-seat fighter (side number 54) delivered to the Centre by the Irkut corporation this spring.


    During November and December 2012, Sukhoi and Irkut fulfilled their 2012 governmental defence acquisition order, having delivered 10 Su-34, six Su-35S and two Su-30SM aircraft to the Defence Ministry.

    The first five Su-34s (side numbers 11, 12, 20, 21 and 22) flew from the manufacturer’s airfield in Novosibirsk to Baltimore AFB in the vicinity of Voronezh on 25 December 2012. Five more aircraft (side numbers 23 through 27), which the customer had received in Novosibirsk on 29 December 2012, have arrived there a month later, on 25 January this year. Thus, the air base in Voronezh has got as many as 20 Su-34 tactical bombers. Sukhoi has delivered them under the government-awarded November 2008 contract stipulating the construction and delivery of 32 aircraft of the type during 2010–13.

    The first four Su-34s under the contract (side numbers 06 through 09) were manufactured and delivered late in 2010. At first, they were assigned to the Aviation Personnel Training and Aircraft Operational Evaluation Centre in the city of Lipetsk and have been based in Voronezh since December 2011. The next batch (six aircraft with side numbers from 01 through 05 and 10) arrived to Baltimore AFB in December 2011.

    This year, Sukhoi is going to poduce not less than 12 Su-34s more, thus completing the order landed in 2008 and starting to fulfill the next – unprecedented – governmental order for 92 Su-34 tactical bombers to be delivered to RusAF from 2014 to 2020.

    The Su-30SM (side number 54) shown to reporters on 6 May in Akhtubinsk is the third aircraft of the type, which Irkut delivered to the Russian Air Force.

    On 22 November 2012, the Irkut corporation delivered the first two Su-30SM multirole supermanoeuvrable two-seat fighters to the Russian Air Force. The acceptance report was signed at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, a subsidiary of the Irkut corporation.

    The first two aircraft were built under the March 2012 order by the Russian Defence Ministry for 30 Su-30SMs to be delivered between 2012 and 2015. The Su-30SM is a derivative of the Su-30MKI fighter that the Irkutsk Aviation Plant has been made for export since 2000. An official Irkut news release states the tailoring of the aircraft to the RusAF requirements, which had been performed by the Sukhoi design bureau, pertained “radar, communication and IFF systems, ejection seat and a number of auxiliary systems”. Modifications had been made to the weapons suite as well.

    The first Su-30SM earmarked for RusAF made its maiden flight in Irkutsk on 21 September last year, followed by the other four days later.

    On 19 December 2012, the Russian Defence Ministry placed another contract with Irkut for 30 Su-30SM fighters more. Thus, Irkut is to make more than 50 Su-30SMs and deliver them to RusAF and, possibly, Russian Naval aviation in the coming years.

    http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/772-more-su-34s-and-su-30sms-for-russian-air-force
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:28 am

    Viktor wrote:Well after evaluation of many different proposals and projects Russian Generals have chosen one that will move forward - development work starts in 2014.

    Development of a new Russian bomber will start in 2014

    One of the models tested at TsaGI

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    Arrow Tests of Flying Wing at TsaGI

    The research is both for PAK DA as well as a prospective passenger aircraft (below)

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:51 am

    Interesting... I hope the PAK DA is more ambitious than just a stealthy flying wing copy of the B-2... not that there is anything wrong with the B-2 as such, but a rather larger flying wing with a horizontal tail surface with a more swept main wing angle allowing higher speed flight would be interesting.

    As an aircraft moves into supersonic flight the centre of gravity often shifts and it is a lack of horizontal tail surface that creates a pitching movement on a flying wing that would make it unable to make the transition from subsonic to supersonic flight. With a horizontal tail surface then you get a lot more pitch control and super cruising becomes a real option.

    Supercruising would greatly increase the rate at which a heavy bomber can get into and out of dangerous areas and would require intercepting aircraft to be that much faster to intercept it, without the enormously wasteful necessity of the bomber using after burner.

    As an offshoot benefit supercruising could be applied to a civilian airliner based on its design that might allow a next generation Concorde but without the high price as the fuel burn would be modest in comparison to operating at full AB all the way.

    Regarding the targeting pods most of the very new aircraft like the Su-35 and Mig-35 pretty much already have the laser rangefinder/night vision optics/IRST/GLONASS navigation and attack capability that a good targeting pod would add, it is the older or less well equipped aircraft that would benefit the most.

    I mentioned some time ago it is the basic aircraft like the Su-25 that would benefit from a decent targeting pod to allow target detection at greater ranges and a laser to detect the coordinates of the target ie the GLONASS receiver tells the plane where it is, so the laser range finder together with the direction and angle to the target gives the computer all the information it needs to calculate the coordinates of the target... enter those coordinates to a GLONASS guided bomb or missile and fire when ready and then record the result with a high resolution camera with the results sent to HQ so they can decide on medals or follow up attacks.

    Most upgraded Russian aircraft already have some or all of those bits included in the upgrade, but these pods will have everything and will also allow a better field of view for most aircraft for ground targets. Another bonus will be the digital nature of the systems so they can be used for real time recon rather than having to wait till the aircraft gets back to base and the film processed...

    BTW nice photos Cyberspec... would like to see the vertical tail eliminated and a horizontal tail fitted in that first photo... thrust vector engines should enable the aircraft to be "trimmed" in flight maximising lift and speed and minimising drag and also help deal with any yaw problems.
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    Post  Austin Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:08 am

    I would be happy if they can make it supersonic/supercruise design with LO as good as US NGB under development.

    Even if US develops hypersonic bomber in future , they still need to pass through S-400/500 bubble

    Hope they dont go for subsonic design but a supercruise/supersonic one , I dont care much about being it ubber stealthy but want to see it Supercruise/Supersonic
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    Post  George1 Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:33 am

    Russia to Get New Su-35, MiG-35 Jets Within 3 Years - Minister


    LIPETSK, July 10 (RIA Novosti) - New MiG-35 and Su-35 fighter jets will be delivered to the Russian Air Force in large numbers within the next three years, after resolution of some problems found during their final tests, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said on Wednesday.

    "There are problems with completion of the state order for these models," he said. "They will start to enter service en masse in the next three years, I think," he added, but did not elaborate.

    Delivery of the Mikoyan MiG-35 Fulcrum and Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker multirole fighters, both touted as "4++ generation" aircraft, is part of the state armament program through 2020, he said.

    The Su-35, powered by two 117S turbofans with thrust-vectoring, features high maneuverability and the capability to engage several air targets simultaneously. The Russian Air Force ordered 48 Su-35s in 2009, Sukhoi said when the deal was signed. It is due to receive them by 2015.

    The MiG-35, an advanced derivative of the MiG-29, can be armed with air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles and is fitted with the Zhuk-A advanced multimode radar, according to MiG. In April, MiG's CEO Sergei Korotkov said he expected the company would sign a deal by the middle of this year to sell the aircraft to the Russian Air Force.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:19 am

    Well, serial Su-35 is already been delivered and I dont see the point of this article. MIG-35 is something to be made but to put Su-35 in the same basket as MIG-35 does not make any sense.
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:13 am

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    Military presence at airports during the training.
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    Post  medo Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:07 pm

    Vladivostok airport? It seems airports modernizations have more strategic value than just business.
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