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    Post  SOC Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:20 am

    The new paintjob really suits the airframe, if that makes sense. Haven't been paying attention to each delivered airframe but from these three it looks like they've been delivering them with all the parts at least.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:12 pm

    I thin the paintjob would look ace if they just changed the baby blue on the bottom to say a white.

    Would look like a penguin then.

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    Post  Viktor Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:22 pm

    Fricking brutall looks Very Happy 
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    Post  TR1 Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:09 am

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    Post  medo Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:28 pm

    Isn't this very modified Mi-8 AMTSH from FSB?
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:09 pm

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    Post  Viktor Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:12 am

    Looks stunning Very Happy 

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    Post  TR1 Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:32 am

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130802/953816060.html

    Irkut delivering 18 Yak-130 and 14 Su-30SM to the MOD this year.
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    Post  Austin Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:46 am

    Prospects for domestic aircraft- Interview with Mikhail Pogosyan
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    Post  Viktor Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:25 pm

    Before 2015 there will be another order for


    - 30 Su-30SM (all together 90 planes) - with delivery date by 2018-e

    - 30 YAK-130 (on top of 55 ordered)

    - 16 Su-30M2 (460 million $) - already ordered

    - giving up on modernization of 300 old MIG-29 and Su-27 which would prolong their life until 2020

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    Post  TR1 Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:28 pm

    Awesome:

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    Post  Austin Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:24 am

    Seems like An-140 will receive the axe

    The Ministry of Defence refused to purchase 12 aircraft An-140


    The Ministry of Defence refused to purchase 12 An-140 aircraft ordered at the "Aviacor." On the eve of this was reported to "Vedomosti". Samara military machines prefer a light military transport Il-112, the decision to resume the production of which was issued in July. As for the AN-140 and its follow-up in the military transport version would require increasing the diameter of the fuselage and creating, in effect, a new machine. Aviacor, thus effectively deprived of the last major customer.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:32 am

    Talk about a bipolar defense ministry...
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:40 am

    That leaves AVIACOR in a bad situation. No product to build cry
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:18 am

    - giving up on modernization of 300 old MIG-29 and Su-27 which would prolong their life until 2020
    If upgrades will only extend their lives to 2020 then it is not really worth it... it makes rather more sense to buy new builds like Su-30SM and Mig-29M2 and Mig-35 and Su-35.

    Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, RIA Novosti reported that Russian Defense Ministry plans to re-equip the park of light military transport aircraft.
    Excellent news Austin... thanks for posting.

    Awesome:
    Nice photos TR-1... it is fairly rare to see the AS-18 on a Russian aircraft... especially a single seater.

    The most interesting thing is that they don't seem to be carrying the datalink pod normally associated with the missile system and the opaque nose covers suggest dummy missiles.

    Seems like An-140 will receive the axe
    No sense in buying it if it can't do the job. They seem to want the Il, so there is no point in buying both.

    I rather suspect they were intending to buy it to improve relations with the Ukraine for some reason or other and that clearly it has not had the effect they were hoping for and so they are now cancelling it.

    You don't suddenly realise something is too narrow for your needs after ordering them...

    That leaves AVIACOR in a bad situation. No product to build
    They could still be building An-70s, but then they might get the job of helping Ilyusion build Il-112s, or even some Tupolevs perhaps...

    The Russian military is now buying aircraft... I would say that puts them in a good situation as long as they can adapt to what they want.
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    Post  SOC Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:it is fairly rare to see the AS-18 on a Russian aircraft... especially a single seater.

    The most interesting thing is that they don't seem to be carrying the datalink pod normally associated with the missile system and the opaque nose covers suggest dummy missiles.
    The underintake pylons are empty on the jet with the Kh-59Ms, so maybe they'd hang it there. Or, maybe they incorporated the systems internally?
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:56 am

    Viktor - Thanks for the news. Looking forward to see the Hermes.

    Garry - As you wandered (as usual) off-topic with the BUR and RPOs Twisted Evil , I opened a new thread to discuss that subject. Looking forward to your input.

    Here is the new thread: https://www.russiadefence.net/t2656-bur-grenade-launcher-granatomet
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    Post  medo Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:19 pm

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11822489@egNews

    Southern military district will in 2013 receive Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2. I know that MoD ordered 16 Su-30M2, but were additional Su-27SM3 also ordered?
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:28 pm

    Innovative UAV from MiG

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    Post  Viktor Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:25 am

    A thought that crossed my mind.

    2011 - 31 new planes was made for Russian Army
    2012 - 42 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2013 - 66 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2014 - 100 planed
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    Meaning that during that 3 years Russian MIC will deliver close to 150 new planes to Russian military. Now this is interesting because

    Russian MIC will just by staying at the 2014 production level (not developing or growing by one millimetre - which is impossible of course) by 2020 produce further

    700 planes (100 new planes per year for 7 years) which will in that case mean that with 2020 concluded Russian MIC will produce around 850 new planes.

    Now why is this important. Because 2020 SAP anticipats buying/delivering 600 NEW planes to Russian Army - not 850 at minimum.

    If we add  masses of modernized planes - the number could grow to closer to 1500 or perhaps even higher.

    Just as strange is a contract to modernize 60 MIG-31 by 2020 when we have already close to 40 or perhaps even higher number of MIG-31 modernized to BM standard with the 10-15

    per year rate and until 2020 there are 7 more years Very Happy
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    Post  Firebird Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:A thought that crossed my mind.

    2011 - 31 new planes was made for Russian Army
    2012 - 42 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2013 - 66 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2014 - 100 planed
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    Meaning that during that 3 years Russian MIC will deliver close to 150 new planes to Russian military. Now this is interesting because

    Russian MIC will just by staying at the 2014 production level (not developing or growing by one millimetre - which is impossible of course) by 2020 produce further

    700 planes (100 new planes per year for 7 years) which will in that case mean that with 2020 concluded Russian MIC will produce around 850 new planes.

    Now why is this important. Because 2020 SAP anticipats buying/delivering 600 NEW planes to Russian Army - not 850 at minimum.

    If we add  masses of modernized planes - the number could grow to closer to 1500 or perhaps even higher.

    Just as strange is a contract to modernize 60 MIG-31 by 2020 when we have already close to 40 or perhaps even higher number of MIG-31 modernized to BM standard with the 10-15

    per year rate and until 2020 there are 7 more years Very Happy
    Ofcourse these are impressive figures when taken alone.
    The big question is, how many warplanes are we likely to see retired against this?
    I suspect that from 1991 to 2006/08, we didn't see a lot of planes produced.
    So if we're starting to see older jets retired in large numbers, we could still see the potential shrinkage that is discussed above.

    Ofcourse the 2020 plan is vital. But to me, the real acid test is the 2025 and 2030 plan. Where we will see UAVs and all the 4.5 / 5g planes being introduced. In particular, the how many "numbers planes" ie Mig29 replacements - in the form of LMFS and Su35 etc.
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    Post  Austin Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:36 pm

    Russian Helicopters to Use State Aid to Produce 870 Crafts by 2020
    23 August 2013 | Issue 5197
    The Moscow Times

    Aided by massive state support, Russian Helicopters plans to produce 870 helicopters worth almost 400 billion rubles ($12 billion) before 2020, more than 200 of them for export.

    "Russian Helicopters' order portfolio for the period to 2020 amounts to 870 machines for a total of around 388 billion rubles, including 232 helicopters for export," according to materials prepared for a meeting dedicated to the helicopter-building industry chaired by President Vladimir Putin in Rostov-on-Don on Thursday.

    State-owned Russian Helicopters intends to build and sell 321 of them in 2013, the materials say — almost twice as many as in 2009, Interfax reported.

    Putin, speaking at the meeting, committed the state to fork out 36 billion rubles to support civil helicopter construction, RIA Novosti reported.

    This reflects increased sales of military helicopters, many of them for the Russian armed forces. The documents say that delivery of military machines this year will be conducted in line with parameters established by a state armament program for the period until 2020.

    Read more: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-helicopters-to-use-state-aid-to-produce-870-crafts-by-2020/484945.html
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:23 pm

    On a side-note, what's the deal with the Ansat-U? Last I heard that despite the contract being signed, they have run into difficulties while being operated/tested with their fly-by-wire systems that were supposed to allow them to emulate the characteristics of other helicopters (think Yak-130).
    As a result the Russian MoD has cancelled further purchases in favour of training helicopters with traditional hydraulic systems; while the Ansats that were inducted are barely used.
    Which of course defeats the point of a new class of a training helicopter and is a great shame because hydraulic systems can't emulate the characteristics of other helicopters.

    Any updates on all this?
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:08 pm

    It had little to do with difficulties, but there was no international civilian certification process for the fly-by-wire version.
    yes you read that right, it is too advanced too certify lol.
    I don't see why the MOD will stop purchasing the military version.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:13 pm

    Viktor wrote:A thought that crossed my mind.

    2011 - 31 new planes was made for Russian Army
    2012 - 42 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2013 - 66 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2014 - 100 planed
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    I don't really see how these numbers will be achieved, unless you include helos, in which case it becomes more than 100.
    Even if we include transport birds, and government transports...
    I mean this year we have around 40 Flankers + 18 Yak-130 = 58 jets.
    The Flanker number won't increase by much in 2014, probably similar, possible ~50. Add to that the Yak-130s, couple of Il-76MD, several small transports here and there...I am not seeing 100.
    I am not including MiG-29K in any of this because they are Navy, but in any case that's not many birds in 2014.

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