Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

GarryB wrote:What are you talking about it says in that article it has UKSK universal launchers for their Onyx or Kalibr missiles.

That means it can carry the 91RE1 anti sub ballistic missile to deliver a torpedo into the water against any enemy sub spotted within 50km of the boat within a minute or two.

Isos wrote: It has decoys and a sonar. It's supposed to replace small corvettes/fast attack boat, not Udaloys ...

TheArmenian wrote: EDIT: Some posters here should really read more and post less. These posters include:.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Whats the reasoning behind the karakurts getting 76mm guns instead of 100mm ones?

ult wrote:Getting ready.

KiloGolf wrote:

ult wrote:Getting ready.

I can't see a corvette. This looks like a large patrol craft/FAC, quite small and lightly-armed for a 2017 corvette.

marat wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

ult wrote:Getting ready.

I can't see a corvette. This looks like a large patrol craft/FAC, quite small and lightly-armed for a 2017 corvette.

Well yes this is a bit larger FAC but that is quite fine RuNavy need those kind of ships for replacing old nanuchka and Tarantul class FAC.

KiloGolf wrote:

marat wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

ult wrote:Getting ready.

I can't see a corvette. This looks like a large patrol craft/FAC, quite small and lightly-armed for a 2017 corvette.

Well yes this is a bit larger FAC but that is quite fine RuNavy need those kind of ships for replacing old nanuchka and Tarantul class FAC.

With less than 1,000 tons (800?) it's almost funny to call that a corvette. That's the upper scale of FACs (or compact VLS-equipped FAC hybrid that it really is). Nobody is going to have a good time sailing in that in the open seas on the way, say to the Med or Atlantic.

But sure, it sounds grandiose for the politicians and corporate elite to call their projects something they are not. A corvette becomes a frigate and a large patrol craft becomes a corvette. Everybody 's happy apart from the average Ivan sailing in it

PS. Using that tiny boat to replace something like the Krivak II is almost criminal.

miroslav wrote:I think that it's the "I can't see a corvette." that's making the big problem here. The ship is shaped/designed in a way that many FACs and large patrol boats are, visually and that makes sense in this case, but do not forget the actual size, just look at the person in the picture. The Karakut is 6-7m longer than Tarantul or Nancutka. Let's not forget the fact that there is nothing in the class that has the same firepower.

The German Braunschweig class (classics example of a new western corvette) has only 4 dedicated anti-ship missiles a gun and AA missiles, which will be remedied and overshadowed after the Pantsir module is installed. Point is, the western counterparts can't make a strategic contributor to the fight the Russian ones can.

KiloGolf wrote:

miroslav wrote:I think that it's the "I can't see a corvette." that's making the big problem here. The ship is shaped/designed in a way that many FACs and large patrol boats are, visually and that makes sense in this case, but do not forget the actual size, just look at the person in the picture. The Karakut is 6-7m longer than Tarantul or Nancutka. Let's not forget the fact that there is nothing in the class that has the same firepower.

The German Braunschweig class (classics example of a new western corvette) has only 4 dedicated anti-ship missiles a gun and AA missiles, which will be remedied and overshadowed after the Pantsir module is installed. Point is, the western counterparts can't make a strategic contributor to the fight the Russian ones can.

That's because western counterparts rely on delivering such strategic force to their Air Force (NATO can get the Med, Atlantic, Baltic, North Seas covered on every corner just using core air bases), heavy frigates/destroyers, SSNs/SSGNs, LHDs and aircraft carriers. Same applies for Israel in its own part of the Med.

miroslav wrote:That's only partially try, if you count out the Muricans, how many NATO countries actually have frigates and destroyers that can launch long range land attack missiles not to mention a supersonic anti-ship missiles, all from the same ship.

I am not trying to make the Karakuts more that they are, but a battle group of 4 of them covered by maybe two frigates for air defense can launch a serious attack on any other NATO group consisting out of much larger ships, theoretically at least.

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

ult wrote:Getting ready.

I can't see a corvette. This looks like a large patrol craft/FAC, quite small and lightly-armed for a 2017 corvette.

That's because it's not a corvette. It never was.

 It's missile ship/boat (whatever it's called in English, my guess is ship)

Only time I heard it being called corvette is in MSM articles, probably because they try to describe it in terms their regular readers are familiar with.

And if Germany can call those Braunschweig ships corvettes then Karakurt is pretty much there although I would hardly call Braunschweig a corvette. Looks more like offshore patrol vessel to me.

It's 10-15% larger than Karakurt and yet it has 50% less endurance and anemic weaponry. Just stretch Karakurt​ enough to add a helipad and you can officially call it corvette by that logic.

That entire late 19th century naming convention for ships has become completely meaningless. Just compare new UK destroyers with new US ones. They should drop whole naming system and move to light/medium/heavy/etc.. like for rockets.

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

ult wrote:Getting ready.

I can't see a corvette. This looks like a large patrol craft/FAC, quite small and lightly-armed for a 2017 corvette.

That's because it's not a corvette. It never was.

 It's missile ship/boat (whatever it's called in English, my guess is ship)

Only time I heard it being called corvette is in MSM articles, probably because they try to describe it in terms their regular readers are familiar with.

And if Germany can call those Braunschweig ships corvettes then Karakurt is pretty much there although I would hardly call Braunschweig a corvette. Looks more like offshore patrol vessel to me.

It's 10-15% larger than Karakurt and yet it has 50% less endurance and anemic weaponry. Just stretch Karakurt​ enough to add a helipad and you can officially call it corvette by that logic.

That entire late 19th century naming convention for ships has become completely meaningless. Just compare new UK destroyers with new US ones. They should drop whole naming system and move to light/medium/heavy/etc.. like for rockets.

PapaDragon wrote:

marat wrote:.......

Are we talking about same ship???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braunschweig-class_corvette

2x bigger then Karakut and totaly different role.

2x heavier but longer enough to just have a helipad installed. It doesn't even carry a helicopter, just UAVs

It's patrol vessel/minelayer combo with less endurance than Karakurt and yet people call it corvette

It is clear that neither ship is a corvette by any standard

Whats the reasoning behind the karakurts getting 76mm guns instead of 100mm ones?

I can't see a corvette. This looks like a large patrol craft/FAC, quite small and lightly-armed for a 2017 corvette.