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    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

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    Post  hoom Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:47 am

    First ship flag raising on 12th https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B027/
    Also mentions the name change seems to be on hold.

    Edit: ppl at Balancer say its delayed to 17th.
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    Post  dino00 Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:44 pm

    Small rocket ship "Mytishchi" completed state tests and will be transferred to the Navy on December 17

    MOSCOW, December 15. / TASS /. The first small rocket ship (MRK) of project 22800 Mytishchi completed state tests and will be handed over to the Navy on December 17. This was reported to journalists on Saturday in the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

    "The newest small rocket ship of the project 22800 Mytischi completed state tests in the Baltic Sea and will be transferred to the Navy on December 17," the department said.

    According to the Ministry of Defense, in the course of state tests in the northern latitudes, Mytishchi successfully made test rocket launches. The ship successfully tested a number of life support systems, propulsion and power engineering, the ship showed excellent seaworthiness when maneuvering in northern latitudes, the press service added.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5917882
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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:22 pm

    Which fleet will it go?
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    Post  hoom Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:17 pm

    Ugh, TASS confirming they're going ahead with the name change then Mad
    Last thing I saw on Balancer sounded like they were sticking with the awesome storm names.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:31 pm

    hoom wrote:Ugh, TASS confirming they're going ahead with the name change then Mad
    Last thing I saw on Balancer sounded like they were sticking with the awesome storm names.

    Why would they change names? Will they be renaming more ships?

    And what does new name mean in English?
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    Post  hoom Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:20 pm

    Its the name of a Moscow suburb, seems to be going for the classic 'name a ship after a place where a bunch of recruits come from to encourage more ppl to sign up' bit from what ppl at Balancer said.
    Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest etc was a much more interesting naming convention  cry

    This is apparently the stencil they're going to be painting the name with
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:Ugh, TASS confirming they're going ahead with the name change then Mad
    Last thing I saw on Balancer sounded like they were sticking with the awesome storm names.

    Why would they change names? Will they be renaming more ships?

    And what does new name mean in English?

    I don't know, but the original name reminds me of Kakarot:

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:03 am

    hoom wrote:Its the name of a Moscow suburb, seems to be going for the classic 'name a ship after a place where a bunch of recruits come from to encourage more ppl to sign up' bit from what ppl at Balancer said.
    Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest etc was a much more interesting naming convention  cry

    This is apparently the stencil they're going to be painting the name with
    https://2018.f.a0z.ru/12/15-6977897-img-20181215-wa0005.jpg

    They named actual warship after suburb?

    Their Navy already has reputation of a total loser, are they trying to hammer it home some more?
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    Post  hoom Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:06 pm

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5920470
    The head small rocket ship (MRK) of project 22800 "Mytishchi", equipped with the "Caliber" complex, has been accepted into the Russian Navy. The solemn ceremony of the first naval flag raising on it was held on Monday in Baltiysk - the main base of the Baltic Fleet, in which the ship will be in military service, the press service of the fleet told TASS.
    So Baltic Fleet it is.
    I wonder if they will send the Buyan-Ms back to BSF once more complete?

    Also
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    Dunno how official that is, looks like a scan from a magazine/book?

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:54 pm


    Pretty video:




    I am still bit irked about that name change, isn't that supposed to be bad luck or something?

    Aren't navies superstitious?
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:54 pm

    Officially the ship didn´t belong to the Navy under its old name.
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    Post  hoom Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:52 pm




    An appropriate comment from Balancer on the name
    Too bad. Only one upside. Western "partners" will break fingers and tongues (and at the same time their brains), trying to write down in transcription and to say this name. Maybe this was the idea of the admirals?  Wink
    Laughing

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    Meanwhile at Pella
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    Via http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/12/entregada-la-primera-corbeta-proyecto.html
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    Edit: some good bridge/combat center footage in this one
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    Post  Hole Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:36 am

    The name isn´t as bad as "Grad Swijaschsk" or "Orechowo-Sujewo".
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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:40 am

    -Project 22800 (code "Karakurt") should replace the construction of 21631 (code Buyan-M) for the Russian Navy, whose construction is limited to 12 units.

    -The Russian Ministry of Defense has contracted so far 18 ships of the project 22800.

    -The construction of the first seven missile ships of the project 22,800 is carried out by the Pella plant under the contract received in accordance with the decree of the Russian government on this company’s becoming the sole supplier for this project.
    According to available information, the second ship will also be part of the Baltic Fleet.

    -On August 5, 2016, the contract of the Ministry of Defense of Russia for the construction of five more small rocket ships of the project 22800 for the Navy was received by JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky (Zelenodolsk). At the same time, the Zelenodolsk plant from the end of 2014 actually received the temporary management of Shipyard Zaliv Shipyard in Kerch (Crimea).

    -On August 22, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed contracts for the construction of another six small rocket ships of Project 22800, which are intended for the Pacific Fleet. Four of them will be built at Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) with delivery by 2026, and two ships at Vostochnaya Verf JSC (Vladivostok) with delivery by 2023. According to unofficial information, the head ship Far East of the project 22800 may be called "Askold" (and, apparently, not in honor of the legendary character or cruiser, but in honor of the island).

    -The serial construction of the MRK of the project 22800 is inhibited due to insufficient production rates for them of diesel engines M507 at PJSC Zvezda.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3460521.html
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:24 pm

    Exactly long names are sometimes hard to pronounce just remember Baden Württemberg frigates
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:Its the name of a Moscow suburb, seems to be going for the classic 'name a ship after a place where a bunch of recruits come from to encourage more ppl to sign up' bit from what ppl at Balancer said.
    Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest etc was a much more interesting naming convention  cry

    This is apparently the stencil they're going to be painting the name with
    https://2018.f.a0z.ru/12/15-6977897-img-20181215-wa0005.jpg

    They named actual warship after suburb?

    Their Navy already has reputation of a total loser, are they trying to hammer it home some more?

    Say what?
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:10 pm

    If they want to build many of them, better use numbers instead of names. I doubt there is 20 or so names for hurricans and storms ...
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:35 pm

    Isos wrote:If they want to build many of them, better use numbers instead of names. I doubt there is 20 or so names for hurricans and storms ...

    There is no shortage of names

    It just feels really weird to change name once you already launch the ship
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:56 pm

    Isos wrote:If they want to build many of them, better use numbers instead of names. I doubt there is 20 or so names for hurricans and storms ...

    Precisely the list on wiki has only 16 storms, then it starts listing sea conditions. I think they should rename also Borey class and rename it after another Moscow suburb, perhaps Peredelkino Blizneye? Idea
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:26 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:
    Isos wrote:If they want to build many of them, better use numbers instead of names. I doubt there is 20 or so names for hurricans and storms ...

    Precisely the list on wiki has only 16 storms, then it starts listing sea conditions. I think they should rename also Borey class and rename it after another Moscow suburb, perhaps Peredelkino Blizneye? Idea

    Their ssbn if I'm not wrong are called after cities that give money for the sub named after them.
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    Post  hoom Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:01 am

    2nd
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:56 am

    It just feels really weird to change name once you already launch the ship

    Why?

    Many Soviet ships went through several names... the Kuznetsov/Tiblisi/Riga/Leonid Brezhnev... and all four Kirov class ships had two names too.
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    Post  marat Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:08 am

    did 2nd and 3rd received engines?
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    Post  hoom Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:57 am

    did 2nd and 3rd received engines?
    Who knows? dunno
    In that 2nd pic the stern of 2nd boat & bow of 4th are on the edges & its interesting that 2nd sits well above waterline but lower than 3rd and 4th is significantly higher than 3rd -> indicates progressively more stuff missing from the newer launched at least.

    BTW there has been court stuff between Zvezda & Pella over the engine delays https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%97%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B01/
    I think is mainly about getting official designation that Pella isn't the cause of delays/having court specified contract date changes rather than animosity/seeking money.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:45 pm

    Pantsir on 22800 coool thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


    GarryB wrote:[Many Soviet ships went through several names... the Kuznetsov/Tiblisi/Riga/Leonid Brezhnev... and all four Kirov class ships had two names too.

    All those, ships, were renamed due to Soviet Union destruction.


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    strange words bout diesels. Why people always simply extrapolate recent problems till future in Russia and never in west or China? Probpems will be solved in one yer or so and why all this drama about? dunno dunno dunno

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