Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

TheArmenian wrote:Meet the second project 22800 Karakurt at Pella shipyard.
The name is Tayfun, it will be launched this month.

How much time to build this one ?

Isos wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Meet the second project 22800 Karakurt at Pella shipyard.
The name is Tayfun, it will be launched this month.

How much time to build this one ?

Laid down simultaneously with first one. 4 month gap seems to be strictly factory schedule related.

This class is moving along nicely. Understandable since in this case they did opposite of usual retarded approach.

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Uragan update:

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100216/

I'm not all that knowledgeable but looks to me like they installed AESA alongside those smaller radars...

Also, did that "dome" on top change shape or am I imagining things? 

You mean lacks the Pantsir-M? Thats only coming on 3rd or 4th boat.

That's stupid. They should have let a whole and put the pantsirs when they are ready. It's like the Steregoutchy with Kashtans.

hoom wrote:They should have let a whole and put the pantsirs when they are ready.

Thats what I'd have done too but

I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

Woow their, how is the Pantsir not capable???

For ship use? Simple: it can't take out an aircraft before aircraft takes out ship.

When combined with S-300/400 or Buk then it's useful but all by itself on a ship? Not that much.

Good set of CIWS is more or less good enough in comparison.

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

Woow their, how is the Pantsir not capable???

For ship use? Simple: it can't take out an aircraft before aircraft takes out ship.

When combined with S-300/400 or Buk then it's useful but all by itself on a ship? Not that much.

Good set of CIWS is more or less good enough in comparison.

Not really. Many corvettes armed only with ciws were destroyed by missiles like maverick or harpoons.

Pantsir is not a magic weapons but it gives you ability to shot down missiles at medium ranges and deal with the remainings with canons. Plus it has very good AESA radar.

20 km range and more for future missiles is mire than very good for a ship. with 10 ship you can defend 400 km of costline ... and you can have lot of missiles for reloads because they are small and cheap.

CIWS are good if you have some other air defence system with it to keep the bomber far away of the ship. Alone they are not really usefull.