Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

My guess is the original design had Positiv or Furke in the dome, the panels being anti-ship targeting radar but now they are going for 360 AESA with the Pantsir-M.

Its a kinda weird explanation but I think better than them suddenly realising its dumb to have AESA covering only the front but not the rear.


Either way this change presumably indicates existence/progress on new AESA

1st Pr.22800 Karakurt corvette Uragan at Pella shipyard, Leningrad Oblast, Russia. Via Curious at airbase.ru

Afew nore bits and pieces to add, and the URAGAN will be ready for tests.

Afew nore bits and pieces to add, and the URAGAN will be ready for tests.

Looking pretty
But also looking like they're going to start tests without the AESA like with Gorshkov.

Meet the second project 22800 Karakurt at Pella shipyard.
The name is Tayfun, it will be launched this month.



Edit:
Picture above is wrong.
It is an old photo of Uragan

To which fleet those first two Karakurts will go? Northern or Baltic fleet?

medo wrote:To which fleet those first two Karakurts will go? Northern or Baltic fleet?

Black Sea fleet is whats reported thus far for the first 3

TheArmenian wrote:Meet the second project 22800 Karakurt at Pella shipyard.
The name is Tayfun, it will be launched this month.

How much time to build this one ?

Isos wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Meet the second project 22800 Karakurt at Pella shipyard.
The name is Tayfun, it will be launched this month.

How much time to build this one ?

Laid down simultaneously with first one. 4 month gap seems to be strictly factory schedule related.

This class is moving along nicely. Understandable since in this case they did opposite of usual retarded approach.

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Uragan update:

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100216/

Radars are in?!

Compare with pic from previous page

I'm not all that knowledgeable but looks to me like they installed AESA alongside those smaller radars...

Also, did that "dome" on top change shape or am I imagining things? 

Not really.
But the AA is all wrong.

I'm not all that knowledgeable but looks to me like they installed AESA alongside those smaller radars...Suspect

Also, did that "dome" on top change shape or am I imagining things? confused

Yes, I believe thats the first installation of part of the 'Barrier' system AESA.
I don't think dome is changed but there is a smaller white dome on the mast above thats new since the older pic, also EW stuff on hull side.
Looking like should be starting sea tests fairly soon.

But the AA is all wrong.

You mean lacks the Pantsir-M? Thats only coming on 3rd or 4th boat.

EASA Panels definitely installed. What is the model and specifiation of it?

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Luq man wrote:EASA Panels definitely installed. What is the model and specifiation of it?

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Lets hope they get some knowledge out of this and fix some panels on the Kuz (which currently sports concrete plates )

KiloGolf wrote:

Luq man wrote:EASA Panels definitely installed. What is the model and specifiation of it?

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Lets hope they get some knowledge out of this and fix some panels on the Kuz (which currently sports concrete plates )

In my opinion the Kuznetsov is not worth extensive upgrades. The ship is from the inside as well outside a total piece of shit. They will upgrade the propulsion system starting next year, wich is actually not a waste of resources. The thing can then be used for basic training for naval pilots but that's it. The most important thing for the Russian navy is get your shit together and start ordering/pumping out frigates of one type across multiple shipyards ASAP.

You mean lacks the Pantsir-M? Thats only coming on 3rd or 4th boat.

That's stupid. They should have let a whole and put the pantsirs when they are ready. It's like the Steregoutchy with Kashtans.

EASA Panels definitely installed. What is the model and specifiation of it?

Thats the big question, doesn't appear to have ever been a clear statement.
I believe its a subset of the Zaslon/Barrier system going on 20385/20386 due to similar size & absence of other publicly mentioned systems.

But it could be something completely different

They should have let a whole and put the pantsirs when they are ready.

Thats what I'd have done too but

hoom wrote:They should have let a whole and put the pantsirs when they are ready.

Thats what I'd have done too but

I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

PapaDragon wrote:I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

Woow their, how is the Pantsir not capable???

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

Woow their, how is the Pantsir not capable???

For ship use? Simple: it can't take out an aircraft before aircraft takes out ship.

When combined with S-300/400 or Buk then it's useful but all by itself on a ship? Not that much.

Good set of CIWS is more or less good enough in comparison.

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I don't think Naval Pantsir was originally part of the ship's design. It was added later. And Naval Pantsir is just getting into production.

Besides if these first 2 are going to Black Sea then they will most likely be filling in for Buyans and doing long range land attack jobs from safe zones. They'll manage without Pantsirs easily. Besides it's just Pantsir not Redut, Shtil or anything capable.

Woow their, how is the Pantsir not capable???

For ship use? Simple: it can't take out an aircraft before aircraft takes out ship.

When combined with S-300/400 or Buk then it's useful but all by itself on a ship? Not that much.

Good set of CIWS is more or less good enough in comparison.

Not really. Many corvettes armed only with ciws were destroyed by missiles like maverick or harpoons.

Pantsir is not a magic weapons but it gives you ability to shot down missiles at medium ranges and deal with the remainings with canons. Plus it has very good AESA radar.

20 km range and more for future missiles is mire than very good for a ship. with 10 ship you can defend 400 km of costline ... and you can have lot of missiles for reloads because they are small and cheap.

CIWS are good if you have some other air defence system with it to keep the bomber far away of the ship. Alone they are not really usefull.

Hermes K should be more than good enough that having a VLS launch of that would be great! Anyway, wonder why shtil-1 is taking sidelines? Its ready, it works well, and its already in use. Use newer radar and its better.

PapaDragon wrote:For ship use? Simple: it can't take out an aircraft before aircraft takes out ship.

When combined with S-300/400 or Buk then it's useful but all by itself on a ship? Not that much.

Good set of CIWS is more or less good enough in comparison.

Come on, it's specs are pretty close to the Shtil, and you got the guns too, although it could use more CIWS.