GarryB Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:51 am
No. Alone they can hit ships that are at radar range so basically less than 40km away.
They need external support to use their missiles efficiently. That's why they won't export many of them. Better buy a corvette/frigate with a helicopter when you have a small navy. They are good for Russia but not for other countries.
The Bismark spends time in port and during those times an attack from this ship should be rather straight forward as its general coordinates will be known... certainly good enough for the missile to find its mark so to speak...
Even these corvettes would have state of the art EW systems to detect radio traffic from the Bismark and be able to track them from enormous distances just when they use their radios.
A ka-27 will see 250km away. A new one with modern radar will see even further.
You do understand that the Ka-27 is a helicopter and it can fly away from the ship it is operating from... so it could take off and fly 500km away from the ship and scan for targets 250km radius around its position, so it will be able to detect targets 750km away from the ship it operates from...
Bismark can be destroyed by a an old mig-21 with unguided bombs. That doesn't mean mig-21 are good for today standard.
No of course it doesn't, but these new ships have more than just anti ship missile capability, they have modern radar and sonar and other sensors that were in their infancy during WWII.
These new ships are impressive, and would be impressive then but are more impressive now with satellite support and of course the support of the rest of the Russian military forces.
Soviet tu-95 and tu-16 had special versions that were supposed to constantly send mid-course data to the anti ship missiles fired by other bombers. And they knew tthat those plane won't survive against carrier based fighter but their job was to survive only until the missiles got a lock on the carrier group.
That is rubbish... if you are going to send heavy aircraft close to enemy ships for the purposes of providing target information for missiles on other aircraft... how stupid is that... using twice as many aircraft as you need, and still risking big heavy aircraft by flying them close to enemy ships.
There were plenty of ways for the Soviets to detect or locate enemy ships... even a sub or civilian ship or satellite or recon aircraft. The missiles they were using had their own radar and did not require precise locations of its targets to work. They would never fire them off on a beam directional attack in the hope they come across enemy before they run out of fuel, but they would use available information including signals from radar or datalinks detects by recon platforms to work out the general locations of targets... by the 1970s their missiles, which were huge and had fighter aircraft sized radars, were able to process active radar signals and determine what vessels made up a group of ships and determine for itself the priority targets and which missiles would target each vessel. A large carrier sized vessel would probably be allocated 6-8 missiles, while AEGIS class cruisers would also be heavily targeted.... this was decided by the missiles in flight and only one missile would climb and scan for targets while the rest of the missiles remained hidden below the horizon... the radar emission would warn the target, but would not indicate the size of the attacking force until they came over the horizon.
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