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Can somebody explain why the hell are they wasting money on t-72 upgrades????Or btr-82??They want a modern military right?How can you have a modern military with dynosours like those??Why not buy t-90 and upgrade those,or btr-90????
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How can you have a modern military with dynosours like those??
What dynosaurous do you find in T-72B3 or BTR-82A?
Can somebody explain why the hell are they wasting money on t-72 upgrades?
Because it will take years to rearm all units with new-gen platforms plus to create reserve needed. And the modern army is needed now. Plus T-72B3 is much cheaper than T-90 with little to no real combat effectiveness margin, espessially if you'll take into the account number of money needed to waste to recycle good T-72s from reserve storages.
And the prise of BTR-90 will be astronomical because there is no production powers needed to produce BTR-90s in serie. It's better to create new production lines for Bumerang, using old-proven lines for BTR-82A until then. Combat effectiveness of BTR-82A and BTR-90 still dosen't really differ that much.
they did not stop buying BMP-3M.
And rumored BMP-3F (for Naval Infantry)
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GarryB wrote:
They stopped buying BMP-3, they did not stop buying BMP-3M.
That would imply that they've started, but I've never seen a BMP-3M (whether Kurganmashzavod's offering or KBP Tula's Bakhacha-U intergrated on the BMP-3 chassis) in Russian service.
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T-72 upgrades are effective, cheap, and reliable. - They should last decade(s)! BTR-82 is the same thing... Cheap, efficient, effective, reliable etc. Plus, they are only a couple years away from the Armata, which should revolutionize their armed forces.Djoka wrote:Can somebody explain why the hell are they wasting money on t-72 upgrades????Or btr-82??They want a modern military right?How can you have a modern military with dynosours like those??Why not buy t-90 and upgrade those,or btr-90????
The T-90 is an upgraded T-72, see the irony? - The B3 should be just as capable, if a little inferior. At the same time they are cheaper. BTR-90 had many problems, or so I've heard.
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The BTR-90 cost almost as much as a BMP-2 but did not have the same armour and mobility levels.
The BTR-90 would be a direct competitor to Boomerang except with inferior troop exit and also inferior armour and communications and electronics.
The BTR-82 on the other hand is a cheap light functional vehicle with updated comms and improved vision and weapon system.
Think of these purchases as a stopgap till the real replacement is ready.
They could spend a fortune on the stopgap... BTR-90, T-90AM, but that would leave less money for the new vehicles.
The key is that the new vehicles have optics that allow fighting and training at night and in bad weather, and that they have modern comms and data link capability and BMS to allow modern training.
I would expect some were bought for testing.
The BTR-90 would be a direct competitor to Boomerang except with inferior troop exit and also inferior armour and communications and electronics.
The BTR-82 on the other hand is a cheap light functional vehicle with updated comms and improved vision and weapon system.
Think of these purchases as a stopgap till the real replacement is ready.
They could spend a fortune on the stopgap... BTR-90, T-90AM, but that would leave less money for the new vehicles.
The key is that the new vehicles have optics that allow fighting and training at night and in bad weather, and that they have modern comms and data link capability and BMS to allow modern training.
That would imply that they've started, but I've never seen a BMP-3M (whether Kurganmashzavod's offering or KBP Tula's Bakhacha-U intergrated on the BMP-3 chassis) in Russian service.
I would expect some were bought for testing.
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Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English. 
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English.
Yes, have to wait till he has a new channel or sorts out what this is about.
Anna News despite having all rights for all their own videos was deleted already 2 times because they are alternative news agency especially on Syria and Ukraine and have direct footage of battlefield and the narrative of our western MSM always claimed Assad kills own citizens while Anna News have shown several times on videos how tank columns escort school buses and evacuate parts of cities with fire support against terrorists.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English.
Freedom of expression, western style.
I would like to see the clowns who run Youtube provide a single piece of evidence that some copyright holder complained against Bitnik.
But they won't since we live in an era of secret evidence and only lip-service "rights" of the individual.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English.
That really sucks, checked my account and he is gone!
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Nooo, he had so many great vids, curse you google.Mike E wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English.
That really sucks, checked my account and he is gone!
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Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade 
Victory Parade 2015 will be a big
Victory Parade 2015 will be a big
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Viktor wrote:Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade
Victory Parade 2015 will be a big
Can't wait for the unveiling of the Armata.
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I can't wait for the event itself! Not only the Armata, but it will have the future of Russian armed forces for years to come!!!kvs wrote:Viktor wrote:Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade
Victory Parade 2015 will be a big
Can't wait for the unveiling of the Armata.
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Mike E wrote:I can't wait for the event itself! Not only the Armata, but it will have the future of Russian armed forces for years to come!!!kvs wrote:Viktor wrote:Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade
Victory Parade 2015 will be a big
Can't wait for the unveiling of the Armata.
Victory Parade 2015 will be cool, however it will pale in comparison to RAE 2015. Here's RAE 2013, pretty damn entertaining event:
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Why? Sure, we will get to see them perform, but they will be revealed at VD. Either event is great, more so with the new equipment and vehicles...
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Lots of good news
The main supply of arms for the army of the Russian Federation are scheduled for the 4th quarter
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In Russia completed the development of new steel for military vehicles
The main supply of arms for the army of the Russian Federation are scheduled for the 4th quarter
The Russian army has received early 108 self-propelled howitzers
In Russia completed the development of new steel for military vehicles
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Viktor wrote:
The Russian army has received early 108 self-propelled howitzers
That is the sound of the unified chassis argument going farther and farther down the drain.
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Ilya Kramnik has write up on Defence Cuts
As far as Russia could cut military spending in the next 10-15 years?
Accounting for sacred cows
As far as Russia could cut military spending in the next 10-15 years?
Accounting for sacred cows
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there will be plenty of units that don't have unified vehicles for quite some time.
Until there are enough for everyone then upgraded vehicles that are available and in service in numbers for which there are spare parts and lots of trained people able to work on them makes economic sense.
Until there are enough for everyone then upgraded vehicles that are available and in service in numbers for which there are spare parts and lots of trained people able to work on them makes economic sense.
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Nice, I expected this
National Control Center Russian Defence intercede on combat duty December 1
National Control Center Russian Defence intercede on combat duty December 1
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Ural?
Anybody know the name of this truck?
Anybody know the name of this truck?
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acatomic wrote:
Anybody know the name of this truck?
That is the new GAZon Next. Which went on sale last week. The picture you posted is the military version.
http://gazonnext.ru/