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Russian Ground Forces: News #2
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Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Kornet-M
Looks like theirs a targeting radar? If I have to make a wild guess this version looks like it might be the one that integrates with the Pantsir command post and has several times better performance than normal setups because of the difference the command post makes.
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Interesting that Krisantema seems to have lost its radar in Ataka/Shturm upgrades because it was deemed too expensive, but the Kornet seems to have adopted a MMW radar.
Of course a system that engages armoured targets to 6km has less need of radar detection and guidance than a system that can engage armour at 8.5km and softer targets at 10km.
KBP probably have more experience with MMW radar tracking of targets with their work on Tunguska/Pantsir/and Pantsir-S1.
Nice find.
Of course a system that engages armoured targets to 6km has less need of radar detection and guidance than a system that can engage armour at 8.5km and softer targets at 10km.
KBP probably have more experience with MMW radar tracking of targets with their work on Tunguska/Pantsir/and Pantsir-S1.
Nice find.
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Things can be simplier than you think: it can be a recon vehicle armed kornets with rather than a dedicated AT vehicle. AT vehicles usually have more ready-to-fire missiles than just four, say:
Or it's just another concept with no actual place in the army FOC
Or it's just another concept with no actual place in the army FOC
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I also think that the Radar was for Searching and Commanding/Recon units and less likely for actual FCR capability.
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Should be a newly publicized 100 mm gun-launched guided missile for use by the 2A72 family of guns.
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Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Should be a newly publicized 100 mm gun-launched guided missile for use by the 2A72 family of guns.
What's the missile characteristics? Have they been publicized?
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Note new turret module on a BMP-2 model - looks like a module which will be used for Kurganets and Boomerang IFVs
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Should be a newly publicized 100 mm gun-launched guided missile for use by the 2A72 family of guns.
All I can say is that the rocket motor nozzles are visible towards the front of the missile, and the missile has two control canards.
This missile is also much shorter than the earlier publically displayed missiles for the 2A72 gun family. This probably means that in place of each HE round one of these missile can be carried and autoloaded in all of the loader variants that are in use with the 2A72 gun family.
magnumcromagnon wrote:What's the missile characteristics? Have they been publicized?
Not as far as I know.
Asf wrote:Note new turret module on a BMP-2 model - looks like a module which will be used for Kurganets and Boomerang IFVs
Isn't it BMP-2 with Berezhok upgrade?
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This missile is also much shorter than the earlier publically displayed missiles for the 2A72 gun family. This probably means that in place of each HE round one of these missile can be carried and autoloaded in all of the loader variants that are in use with the 2A72 gun family.
Very much agree, though I suspect you mean the 2A70 gun, which is a 100mm rifled gun, as opposed to the 2A72 gun also fitted to the BMP-3 but which is a 30mm autocannon.
the rocket nozzles near the top well forward in the picture would be dictated by the likely rear position of laser beam riding components, and the central location of the rocket fuel that would likely burn from the front backwards so as not to change the centre of gravity of the projectile as the fuel burns in flight. the front presumably contains the warhead.
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GarryB wrote:This missile is also much shorter than the earlier publically displayed missiles for the 2A72 gun family. This probably means that in place of each HE round one of these missile can be carried and autoloaded in all of the loader variants that are in use with the 2A72 gun family.
Very much agree, though I suspect you mean the 2A70 gun, which is a 100mm rifled gun, as opposed to the 2A72 gun also fitted to the BMP-3 but which is a 30mm autocannon.
Yes, it's 2A70; thanks; my bad.
GarryB wrote:the rocket nozzles near the top well forward in the picture would be dictated by the likely rear position of laser beam riding components, and the central location of the rocket fuel that would likely burn from the front backwards so as not to change the centre of gravity of the projectile as the fuel burns in flight. the front presumably contains the warhead.
The main warhead is the yellow region towards the back of the missile, between the rocket motor and the rear electronics section. Only the small precursor shaped charge is in the forward section.
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2B24 82 mm mortar on RM500
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New Coalition SPG
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I know everyone has already seen the famous picture where Rogozin looks at models of the new perspective vehicle platforms, but here' the same picture from a different angle which shows the rear ends of the vehicles.
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So, they are having problems with Boomerang and it wont parade in 2015 most likely. Hopefully idiot politicians don't force the program to rush.
However, test batch is pretty much ready, and I guess this is where issues are coming from (to be expected anyways).
Ceramic armor on BTR-80:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=789&p=21#p454666
However, test batch is pretty much ready, and I guess this is where issues are coming from (to be expected anyways).
Ceramic armor on BTR-80:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=789&p=21#p454666
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TR1 wrote:So, they are having problems with Boomerang and it wont parade in 2015 most likely. Hopefully idiot politicians don't force the program to rush.
However, test batch is pretty much ready, and I guess this is where issues are coming from (to be expected anyways).
Ceramic armor on BTR-80:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=789&p=21#p454666
Did they state what it was they were having problems with?
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sepheronx wrote:TR1 wrote:So, they are having problems with Boomerang and it wont parade in 2015 most likely. Hopefully idiot politicians don't force the program to rush.
However, test batch is pretty much ready, and I guess this is where issues are coming from (to be expected anyways).
Ceramic armor on BTR-80:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=789&p=21#p454666
Did they state what it was they were having problems with?
No reason is named ... only difficulties ...
Victory Parade 2015 on Red Square will be held without "Boomerang"
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Viktor wrote:sepheronx wrote:TR1 wrote:So, they are having problems with Boomerang and it wont parade in 2015 most likely. Hopefully idiot politicians don't force the program to rush.
However, test batch is pretty much ready, and I guess this is where issues are coming from (to be expected anyways).
Ceramic armor on BTR-80:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=789&p=21#p454666
Did they state what it was they were having problems with?
No reason is named ... only difficulties ...
Victory Parade 2015 on Red Square will be held without "Boomerang"
My wild guess would be is that there having some difficulty meeting the 25 ton weight restriction and or meeting armor requirements.
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http://rostechnologiesblog.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/results-of-new-rifles-testing-for-russian-army-to-be-declared-on-november-25/
Does this mean that come November 25 we'll know if AK-74M is going to be replaced with either AK-12 or AEK-971?
The completion of tests of infantry grenade launchers for the Russian army, which involve the rifles of “Kalashnikov” and Degtyarev plant, is scheduled for November 25. It was told to TASS by the high-ranking source in the Russian defense industry.
“We expect to conduct comparative tests until 25 November. This day it is supposed to announce the results of the tests,” said the source. He recalled that the trials involve an AK-12 and an upgraded sniper rifle Dragunov SVD-M developed by the concern “Kalashnikov”, machine gun AEK-971 developed by Degtyarev plant, as well as machine-automatic grenade launcher AGS-30M from the Tula Instrument Design Bureau.
Earlier, the head of “Rostec” (which includes “Kalashnikov”) Sergey Chemezov said that the winner of the competition for the new automatic weapons for the Russian army will be known before the end of the year.
Does this mean that come November 25 we'll know if AK-74M is going to be replaced with either AK-12 or AEK-971?
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I was kinda hoping they might switch from 30mm grenades to the new 40mm grenades used on the Balkan AGL. they are much larger and heavier and have better range, but the launcher looks very compact and small.
BTW they might announce the winner on the 25th, but it might not be made public... I very much hope it is.
BTW they might announce the winner on the 25th, but it might not be made public... I very much hope it is.
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I always thought that AGS-30M was vehicle mounted only.
Baikal sure looks impressive, but maybe the problem is size of munition?
Baikal sure looks impressive, but maybe the problem is size of munition?
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I would think the caseless 40mm round would be ideal for use in vehicles and aircraft, and though the ammo is large it is also supposedly rather more powerful than the current 30mm rounds which should make it more effective.
The new more aerodynamic 30mm grenades that can be used to 2.1km improve range performance over the previous range of 1.7km for the 30mm round and are only just short of the 2.5km range of the 40mm round, but I would hope the extra lethality and capacity for other types of ammo would make the change worth it.
The new more aerodynamic 30mm grenades that can be used to 2.1km improve range performance over the previous range of 1.7km for the 30mm round and are only just short of the 2.5km range of the 40mm round, but I would hope the extra lethality and capacity for other types of ammo would make the change worth it.
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New video showing off the new AEK (too bad I don't understand Russian):
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TR1 wrote:So, they are having problems with Boomerang and it wont parade in 2015 most likely. Hopefully idiot politicians don't force the program to rush.
However, test batch is pretty much ready, and I guess this is where issues are coming from (to be expected anyways).
Ceramic armor on BTR-80:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=789&p=21#p454666
First Bumerang, then Kurganets, and then Armata would be listed as absent
Anyway if it's just the Bumerang I can live with it; we've all seen current-gen wheeled AFVs before.
But I think I speak for everyone when I say that the Armata debut would be the real meat and potatoes here.
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Various firearms going through testing: