Syrian War: News #19

PapaDragon wrote:

crod wrote:It’s the most blizzard of situations, Turkish OP surrounded completely as the SAA march further north. Why not just give the ultimatum to Turkey, pull out or be bombed out?....

No dude, what's the rush? No need for drama.

Herd all the jihadists inside the OP with Turks and leave it like that.

Turks were even courteous enough to build a nice big wall around it.

Just make sure no food or water goes inside and let them "talk" it over amongst themselves

Sounds like a good idea.

Drone video of Khan Sheikhoun:



The town is actually in decent shape, not flattened like the front-line towns. Would be nice if they could continue to move quickly to spare infrastructure damage.

I wonder how many original residents will ever return. Seems like most of the remaining residents fled north to near Turkish border.

zorobabel wrote:Drone video of Khan Sheikhoun:



The town is actually in decent shape, not flattened like the front-line towns. Would be nice if they could continue to move quickly to spare infrastructure damage.

I wonder how many original residents will ever return. Seems like most of the remaining residents fled north to near Turkish border.

Are these residents the original ones or the families of jihadis? There has been a lot of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Syria and Iraq.

kvs wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Drone video of Khan Sheikhoun:



The town is actually in decent shape, not flattened like the front-line towns. Would be nice if they could continue to move quickly to spare infrastructure damage.

I wonder how many original residents will ever return. Seems like most of the remaining residents fled north to near Turkish border.

Are these residents the original ones or the families of jihadis?   There has been a lot of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Syria and Iraq.

I'm curious about that, too. And I wonder how many original residents fled into government areas when it was taking over by jihadists.

so whats people predictions from in til the end of the year? Idilib liberated? or western Aleppo? Latakia? which route will they take in liberating Idilib?

Looks like the israelis launched an attack on demascus 4 hrs ago, big explosions. Targeting Quds force. SAA air def fired off but looks like no catch. Livemap reporting this.

d_taddei2 wrote:so whats people predictions from in til the end of the year? Idilib liberated? or western Aleppo? Latakia? which route will they take in liberating Idilib?

I dont think so.. I think it will slow down , but the fight will not stop. They will look to liberate more territory ,that is the west of idlib ,closest to Russian base and they will continue grinding terrorist..

For me Is more important the killing of terrorist as many as possible ,than the capture of territory. One terrorist killed in Syria is a terrorist that will not suicide bomb and kill civilians later in Russia or Europe.. or Syria. So 1 million of terrorist will be a good number , but there aren't that many in Syria for sure.. So if it was by me.. when few terrorist remain , they should retreat from the captured lands in 2019 and make it look they losing the war.. to lure the terrorist from Turkey to come to the help and join.. and later bomb the hell of them and kill all of them.. US ,UK and Israel ,Qatar and ,Saudi backed terrorist in Syria need to suffer a real humiliating defeat in Syria. Later make fun of their fake GOD , that didn't helped them to win.. Syria conflict ,from the point of view of the Rebels is a Religious war..
in the name of Islam. To turn Syria into a caliphate...like Saudi arabia. and kick the christian and secular muslim from there. So this means that the terrorist needs to be
provoked , insulting their God. .a Giant Catholic CHurch for example should be raised in IDLIB when captured and all their Mosques bombed to hell.. To humiliate all the muslim
who opposed Assad is very important..That will teach them a lesson ,of how fake is their
GOd that can't defeat Russia and their christian God. .


So Not only Alqaeda and ISIS needs to be completely destroyed , but all muslims in the
entire planet who had any sympathy for them ,needs to be humiliated too ,by transforming
Syria in to a Christian country.. with womens in power positions..
Statues of Buddah And of Indian Gods.. and statues of Jesus also be erected all over syria.. To celebrate Syria new freedom of religion for all.. and to send a message to all Terrorist sponsors that if they ever try again to join NATO ,to wage war on Christians that Russia will bomb the hell of them and terrorist sectarian religion will be forever erased from existence.

crod wrote:Looks like the israelis launched an attack on demascus 4 hrs ago, big explosions. Targeting Quds force. SAA air def fired off but looks like no catch. Livemap reporting this.

Iran denying their forces were hit in the attack though local observers confirm the attack, whether the intended targets were hit I’ve no idea.

crod wrote:Looks like the israelis launched an attack on demascus 4 hrs ago, big explosions. Targeting Quds force. SAA air def fired off but looks like no catch. Livemap reporting this.

Results in terms of missile interception ,by part of Syrian air defense as a whole, also in this instance, as for the latest two years, remained ,on average, almost constant: in the range of 60-65% of the incoming ammunintions.

Naturally that not represent a linear data for all the aimed targets.

In facts in those kind of stand-off attacks, that has became the forced standard for Israeli Air Forces since the modernization of a part of the Soviet-built SAMs representing the bulk of the Syrian air defenses and the addition of few relatively modern export variants of short and medium air defense have rendered air space penetration effectively not practicable anymore, the IAF ,after a slow and attentive planning of the attacking ammunition flight pact, target in each of those attacks contemporaneously several targets in the same with different degrees of protection.

The aim here is not only to hope that some missiles or planning bombs will in some way penetrate the protection of the most advanced SAMs at defense of the most military sensitive targets (the chances are low but anyhow Always existing) but, more importantly,to allow another part of the delivered ammunitions to reach the easier secondary targets of those attacks (usually insulated compunds or building groups placed outside of military sensitive area covered at best by peripherical footprint of outdated SAMs) representing the crushing majority of the targets effectively hit by IAF.

From validated data coming directly from the conflict zone interception percentage of IAF subsonic planning and powered PGMs of different class variate enormously : from near 100% in the areas covered by some of the most relatively modern SHORAD specimen operated by the most experienced Syrian crew to less than 6% for those
covered by insulated SAMs of legacy production.

The PR "image" value of a similar approach cannot be undervalued
When a similar attack is concluded is always possible, "a posteriori" to always point to the actually hit targets like it was them those aimed for from the beginning ,also when obviously their nature, size and position are irreconcilable with the number of the aircraft, UAVs and stand-off ammunition employed.

This practice reproduce, in a smaller scale, the same situation with the 14 April 2018 cruise missile attack on Syria by part of USA ,UK and France when to justify for all the missiles that had been destroyed -with a percentage near to 100%- over the most militarily-sensible area ,where had been concentrated ,in view of the attack, the most advanced SAM batteries at disposition of Syrian Forces, Coalition authorities declared to have aimed .......76 cruise missile at the building of Barzeh reserach center !!!

T-55 upgraded with thermal and laser rangefinder. Too too shabby.

GarryB wrote:Ultimatewarrior... you are so anti Erdogan... you sound like the UK PM and US president and most EU officials... Assad must go... Erdogan must go...

If you are Syrian then my apologies... but otherwise why do you think you have the right to decide who leads what country?

That's right. We western people aren't as nice as you Russians. We slaughter who we don't like. We massacre who we don't like. Who nuked Japan? We did. Who massacred millions of German civilians? We did.

Indeed, it can be said the west makes very few mistakes like Russians did. Selling Alaska. Dissolving USSR and expanding NATO. Inviting the Turks into Syria. These are all stupid decisions on the part of Russians. If Russians is to become a super power with global influence, they must take a page from the west.

Mindstorm wrote:

crod wrote:Looks like the israelis launched an attack on demascus 4 hrs ago, big explosions. Targeting Quds force. SAA air def fired off but looks like no catch. Livemap reporting this.

Results in terms of missile interception ,by part of Syrian air defense as a whole, also in this instance, as for the latest two years, remained ,on average, almost constant: in the range of 60-65% of the incoming ammunintions.

Naturally that not represent a linear data for all the aimed targets.

In facts in those kind of stand-off attacks, that has became the forced standard for Israeli Air Forces since the modernization of a part of the Soviet-built SAMs representing the bulk of the Syrian air defenses and the addition of few relatively modern export variants of short and medium air defense have rendered air space penetration effectively not practicable anymore, the IAF ,after a slow and attentive planning of the attacking ammunition flight pact, target in each of those attacks contemporaneously several targets in the same with different degrees of protection.    

The aim here is not only to hope that some missiles or planning bombs will in some way penetrate the protection of the most advanced SAMs at defense of the most military sensitive targets (the chances are low but anyhow Always existing) but, more importantly,to allow another part of the delivered ammunitions to reach the easier secondary targets of those attacks (usually insulated compunds or building groups placed outside of military sensitive area covered at best by peripherical footprint of outdated SAMs) representing the crushing majority of the targets effectively hit by IAF.

From validated data coming directly from the conflict zone interception percentage of IAF subsonic planning and powered PGMs of different class variate enormously : from near 100% in the areas covered by some of the most relatively modern SHORAD specimen operated by the most experienced Syrian crew to less than 6% for those
covered by insulated SAMs of legacy production.

The PR "image" value of a similar approach cannot be undervalued  
When a similar attack is concluded is always possible, "a posteriori" to always point to the actually hit  targets like it was them those aimed for from the beginning ,also when obviously their nature, size and position are irreconcilable with the number of the aircraft, UAVs and stand-off ammunition employed.

This practice reproduce, in a smaller scale, the same situation with the 14 April 2018 cruise missile attack on Syria by part of USA ,UK and France when to justify for all the missiles that had been destroyed -with a percentage near to 100%- over the most militarily-sensible area ,where had been concentrated ,in view of the attack, the most advanced SAM batteries at disposition of Syrian Forces, Coalition authorities declared to have aimed .......76 cruise missile at the building of Barzeh reserach center !!!

   

Such nonsense propaganda is not going to grant NATO victory against Russia. But it appears that the mentally deficient leadership of
NATO drinks this koolaid. But then, they are not the ones really making the decisions.

Mindstorm wrote:

crod wrote:Looks like the israelis launched an attack on demascus 4 hrs ago, big explosions. Targeting Quds force. SAA air def fired off but looks like no catch. Livemap reporting this.

Results in terms of missile interception ,by part of Syrian air defense as a whole, also in this instance, as for the latest two years, remained ,on average, almost constant: in the range of 60-65% of the incoming ammunintions.

Naturally that not represent a linear data for all the aimed targets.

In facts in those kind of stand-off attacks, that has became the forced standard for Israeli Air Forces since the modernization of a part of the Soviet-built SAMs representing the bulk of the Syrian air defenses and the addition of few relatively modern export variants of short and medium air defense have rendered air space penetration effectively not practicable anymore, the IAF ,after a slow and attentive planning of the attacking ammunition flight pact, target in each of those attacks contemporaneously several targets in the same with different degrees of protection.    

The aim here is not only to hope that some missiles or planning bombs will in some way penetrate the protection of the most advanced SAMs at defense of the most military sensitive targets (the chances are low but anyhow Always existing) but, more importantly,to allow another part of the delivered ammunitions to reach the easier secondary targets of those attacks (usually insulated compunds or building groups placed outside of military sensitive area covered at best by peripherical footprint of outdated SAMs) representing the crushing majority of the targets effectively hit by IAF.

From validated data coming directly from the conflict zone interception percentage of IAF subsonic planning and powered PGMs of different class variate enormously : from near 100% in the areas covered by some of the most relatively modern SHORAD specimen operated by the most experienced Syrian crew to less than 6% for those
covered by insulated SAMs of legacy production.

The PR "image" value of a similar approach cannot be undervalued  
When a similar attack is concluded is always possible, "a posteriori" to always point to the actually hit  targets like it was them those aimed for from the beginning ,also when obviously their nature, size and position are irreconcilable with the number of the aircraft, UAVs and stand-off ammunition employed.

This practice reproduce, in a smaller scale, the same situation with the 14 April 2018 cruise missile attack on Syria by part of USA ,UK and France when to justify for all the missiles that had been destroyed -with a percentage near to 100%- over the most militarily-sensible area ,where had been concentrated ,in view of the attack, the most advanced SAM batteries at disposition of Syrian Forces, [b]Coalition authorities declared to have aimed .......76 cruise missile at the building of Barzeh reserach center !!! [/b

All that been said, photos released show destruction of two buildings related to drone activity and Hez acknowledges death of two members killed at location and hold funerals. No mention of IRCG death on the Iranian side though one is being reported.

The point Mindstorm is making is that since the improvement of the Syrian Airdefenses, Israel is limited to LR stand off attacks which only have a fairly small (if any) impact on the overall situation

Cyberspec wrote:The point Mindstorm is making is that since the improvement of the Syrian Airdefenses, Israel is limited to LR stand off attacks which only have a fairly small (if any) impact on the overall situation

Not doubting that at all - i was only stating that 2 buildings were targeted and leveled in the attack with 2 Hez members killed along with an IRCG member (though this is denied by Iran). Doesn't really matter where thy fired from, they achieved their objective if it was only those 2 buildings they targeted.

crod wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:The point Mindstorm is making is that since the improvement of the Syrian Airdefenses, Israel is limited to LR stand off attacks which only have a fairly small (if any) impact on the overall situation

Not doubting that at all - i was only stating that 2 buildings were targeted and leveled in the attack with 2 Hez members killed along with an IRCG member (though this is denied by Iran). Doesn't really matter where thy fired from, they achieved their objective if it was only those 2 buildings they targeted.

That's the whole point. They can claim anything that got damaged was their objective, when the actual objective was not damaged.

crod wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:The point Mindstorm is making is that since the improvement of the Syrian Airdefenses, Israel is limited to LR stand off attacks which only have a fairly small (if any) impact on the overall situation

Not doubting that at all - i was only stating that 2 buildings were targeted and leveled in the attack with 2 Hez members killed along with an IRCG member (though this is denied by Iran). Doesn't really matter where thy fired from, they achieved their objective if it was only those 2 buildings they targeted.

You can't take all Israel statements as facts.. They claim they bomb IRAN ,but target
Syrian army positions and air defenses.. and Syrian military bases.. Just because you
see images in black and white , from camera or satellite not necessarily means is true.
Israel latest attack shows supposed IRANIAN preparing to launch a drone with bombs..
how they know their nationality from 10k distance away in night vision? How can they know
the drone was armed with bombs?

The fact is ,that since 2013 that IRAN moved to Syria ,not a single time IRAN attacked
Israel.. with any drone . neither were preparing to pass any missiles to hezbolah as Israel claims through Syrian borders.. If IRAN wanted to pass weapons to Hezbolah.. they can very easily do it , directly with their submarines and drop the weapons under water ,so later They capture it ... Also Russia could very easily pass the weapons from IRAN to Hezbolah..
So the entire conspiracy of Netanyanhu is just lies ,to justify their hostilities on Syria.

sorry but you appear to be on a completely different tangent...I’m not concerned one iota what Iran says it’s doing over what israel says Iran is doing - zero.
I was merely pointing out that an attack occurred, 2 buildings targeted, what was said to be a drone manufacturing facility and that there were casualties. Hez confirmed their casualties while Iran refuted the claim that one of their own was killed, that’s all. Some before and after pics were supplied but given I’m not on the ground, I’ve zero knowledge on what was hit and what wasn’t hit. End of.

Indeed, it can be said the west makes very few mistakes like Russians did. Selling Alaska. Dissolving USSR and expanding NATO. Inviting the Turks into Syria. These are all stupid decisions on the part of Russians. If Russians is to become a super power with global influence, they must take a page from the west.

Russia didn't get much choice in the matter of either the Soviet Union dissolving or the expansion of NATO.

Also I don't remember anyone inviting Turkey into Syria... they just went in... and have a long history of going in after Kurds anyway.

So the only mistake Russia made was selling Alaska, which was not really a referendum type situation there... it was the decision of a leadership at the time.

If they have to become the US to be a superpower then I hope then never do... the best future for the world is to have less countries like the US, not more.

The west is like a real bastard... they are not happy being happy, they are only happy when everyone else is miserable.

Russia and China... appear by their actions... to not demand to win everything and leave nothing for anyone else... Russia and China don't need to screw their trading partner and rob them blind, they don't need to convert their customers to worship them and convert to their religion and politics just to trade with them.

The West is the Borg... it really doesn't create or develop, it uses what it steals and it destroys anything that is not Borg... it thinks it is the pinnacle of technology and civilisation, but it spends most of its time destroying and stealing and doesn't really see that if it ever actually got what it wanted it would be alone and only have itself to destroy... which is exactly what it would do out of habit. Don't try to fix me because I am perfect, you must be wrong so either get with the programme and blindly love me and I can do no wrong or leave... must be really dark and smelly there with your heads up your own asses...

The point Mindstorm is making is that since the improvement of the Syrian Airdefenses, Israel is limited to LR stand off attacks which only have a fairly small (if any) impact on the overall situation

And the fact that they are spending a lot of effort in time and money for all these attacks, and the results are pathetic... almost comparable to ISIS attacks on Russian airbases in Syria... which is really saying something about the state of the Israeli defence forces against a modern up to date air defence system as opposed to what they are clearly used to dealing with... as is the US...

That's the whole point. They can claim anything that got damaged was their objective, when the actual objective was not damaged.

Like firing a single shot into the air... when you finally track down where the round landed.... it hit is target because what ever it hit was its target... and what an amazing grouping... a 5km range shot with 100th of a MOA... it was a single shot group just one bullet calibre in diameter... amazing... world record... why are we so special... needs.

GarryB wrote:

Like firing a single shot into the air... when you finally track down where the round landed.... it hit is target because what ever it hit was its target... and what an amazing grouping... a 5km range shot with 100th of a MOA... it was a single shot group just one bullet calibre in diameter... amazing... world record... why are we so special... needs.

Garry, just in case your clever insult might require an explanation, in western English speaking countries, special needs is a term used in clinical diagnostic and functional development to describe individuals who require assistance for disabilities that may be medical, mental, or psychological.

Seems to fit some well known political figures to a T.

ISWNews Analysis Group: The Russian Military Police have been deployed in Morek near the Turkish Observation Post No. 9 in order to prevent possible tensions between the Turkish and Syrian forces.



Despite the Syrian government’s demand that the Turkish military withdraw from this observation post and all other posts, the Russian deployment has little to do with pressuring Ankara to leave the area and more to do deescalating tensions in Hama.

The Turkish regime has already refused to withdraw from this observation post and their presence in Morek is no direct threat to the Syrian Armed Forces, as they are completely surrounded in the area.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-deploys-to-turkish-observation-post-area-in-hama-photos/

BEIRUT, LEBANON (2:20 P.M.) – The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have called on the Syrian government to negotiate a peace settlement with them, the Kurdistan 24 publication reported on Sunday.

Citing SDF Commander-in-Chief Mazlum Abdi, Kurdistan 24 reported that the U.S.-backed group was open to a new round of negotiations with the Syrian government, as previous talks ended with no resolutions.

“We call on Damascus to negotiate with representatives of the self-administration and the SDF and to prioritize a political solution, recognizing the self-administration and the rights of the Kurdish people in Syria,” the SDF commander said.

According to Kurdistan 24, the SDF commander said the talks would be about building a new and free Syria.

“We are here to lay the foundations for our military action to protect our areas in the coming post-Islamic State period and to spread security and stability in our region and all over Syria.”

The SDF commander also touched on the issue of Afrin, which is currently occupied by the Turkish military and their allied rebel factions.

“We affirm that Afrin is an important step for the success of the peace process between us and Turkey,” said the commander. “The return of Afrin to its people is one of our main points. Without this, there will be no peace in Syria.”

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sdf-calls-on-syrian-government-to-negotiate-with-them/


BEIRUT, LEBANON (12:00 P.M.) – A large number of reinforcements from the Syrian military were deployed to the Al-Ghaab Plain this week as they prepare to launch the second phase of their Idlib offensive.

According to an army source in the Hama Governorate, the 4th Armored Division and Republican Guard sent several units of reinforcements to the Al-Zawiyah Mountain and Al-Ghaab Plain axes to begin the next phase of their operation.

The source said the Syrian military will work to capture the remaining sites under militant control inside the Hama Governorate.

Last week, the Syrian Arab Army announced the capture of both Khan Sheikhoun and the northern region of the Hama Governorate that was under the control of Jaysh Al-Izza and Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham.

Since then, the Syrian Army has conducted mostly combing operations in these newly captured areas as they look to eliminate any remnants of the militants that once controlled these areas in northwestern Syria.

At the same time, the Syrian military’s Tiger Forces have taken a brief break in northwestern Syria; however, they are expected to take part in the second phase of the offensive when it begins.

Confirming the view that Syria is seen a stone in the TSK career path since the aims, tactisc and strategic moves are not clear within the politics let alone the military command chain. Looks like a batch of 2* and 1* on their way home. Maybe fired.

METIN GURCAN
‏ @Metin4020

5 generals in TSK resigned. 4 are newly assigned ones to units operating in Syria. This shows that not only does the waters in the TAF have settled and there a is a resistance to Akar but also that Syria perceived as a career killer “fill-empty" place among Turkish generals.


Y.N.M.S
‏ @nm79797979
15h15 hours ago

Major General Ahmet Ercan Çorbacı, the commander of the TSK division for Syria’s province of Idlib, among those who have resigned.

ultimatewarrior wrote:This is what Russia needs to do more. CAS. Not flying 50 km behind the front dropping useless bombs on useless targets.

OK, so behind the front line ammo/food/fuel depots etc and command centers are useless targets?