Funny how this piece of news went completely unnoticed on this forum, we are usually quite prompt and punctual... Oh well...
Possibly because it is not very important... the US has re-established a capacity that it lost... big deal...
Mister Jim Bridenstine was gracious enough to offer Roskosmos to continue joint missions to ISS by using mixed crews on both Dragon and Soyuz instead of buying seats like before
Why would the Russians risk their crews on something that has had so many failures and so few successes... for goodness sake their escape system failed during testing and destroyed the module. In comparison the Russian system was given a live test with real crew on board and worked perfectly.
Why would the Russian administration want to risk its people for the egos of the US?
Then why are they going with agreements now?
It is cheaper to cooperate for now... which is exactly why the US are interested in cooperation.
The US has already said they wont continue funding for the ISS for very much longer and intend to build their own new replacement so they can conduct military experiments without the Russians being involved...
For a proud nation that don't need no NASA they do seem to be grovelling a lot
What grovelling?
This was one successful launch.... even a faulty design can manage that... they haven't even landed yet...
Apparently there is because they keep bending over backwards to cut down launch costs not because they want to commit cheaper for themselves but because they are still chasing that market segment that was thrown to them as a pittance during 90' but which was never theirs to begin with and which they will never be getting back
They can't compete with subsidised American companies, but there are plenty of customers that America wont work with... and of course houses of cards are not very stable anyway... so this competition is likely temporary...
He is incompetent semiliterate blowhard moron who ended up running a space program because Roskosmos became dumping ground for idiots
So if the job is so unimportant why are you so upset about it?
Even an idiot can do the right thing sometimes... even if by accident... Bush jnr got re elected...
This meme should be buried already
They never had to use them
They had option of using them among others which they took advantage of
They still have that option but they always prefer their own and predominantly launch using their own
They got direct orders from McCain to stop buying Russian engines and to create alternatives... at the very least they should have had previously used American rocket engines to use again... yet they keep using Russian rockets... and still do...
Russia is yet to accomplish that achievement, they are still just leeching off Soviet accomplishments
They use something that works and is reliable and has been repeatedly upgraded during its operational life time... and they have replacements, but they don't have a need to rush things in to use like the US does because their tried and trusted remains tried and trusted... unlike the US Space Shuttle with no emergency escape system for landing or taking off... (Buran had an ejectable module in case of a problem during launch... if the Challenger was a Buran its crew would have survived)
Compared to Russian taxpayers who are yet to see any results
Russias continued presence on the ISS is what they see... with all this anti Russia BS from the US don't you think banning Russia from the ISS would be an option if they didn't need Russian rockets to get there?
With lack of competition they became complacent.
To be fair, Putin has not really been making serious demands on them so they are taking a sensible more measured approach.
Ford Class, Zumwalt Class, LCS class, Comanche helicopter, F-35 cockup supreme, F-22 disaster, If they made their rockets like they run their other programmes there would be a lot more dead Astronauts than there are... but their pressure so far is to just get back to a state they were 10 years ago in being able to get crew up to the ISS and back again. It is pathetic they got themselves into this situation in the first place and they can't blame lack of funding because if anything they are over funded... but they are also over spending too.
It also seems Russia's interest is more in satellite launches, drones (once again, satellites) and space based observation. I think space exploration seems to be low on their list and that may have more to do with issues that existed prior to Rogozin and need to streamline Roscosmos assets.
Their first priority was GLONASS and other military satellites like Legenda replacements etc etc... Star Trek is US bullshit.
Did Russians really think that people will forget them shooting their big dumb mouths off?
Dumb crap you say and do will ALWAYS come back to bite you on the ass
Also as you can see in the article it's absolute race to the bottom among Russians on who will demonstrate more pathetic butthurt lubricated will copious amounts of sour grape juice
The trampoline worked this time and they haven't landed yet... I think it is a little early to declare victory just yet.
I don't want to see anyone die but that sort of shit is just asking for trouble...
Their trampoline is working to start with... but is that net properly tied down and will it work when needed...
Remember this is the guy that wanted to build submarines to get children out of a cave network and when told by someone who had been in the cave network that it would not work called them a paedophile....
But you call Rogozin names...
The levels of pathetic butthurt are off the charts today, I knew it would be good but even I wasn't expecting mental gymnastics of this magnitude ("our young cosmonauts" part had me in stitches) lol1
Here, maybe this ever so appropriate song will act as a balm for sore ego of Trampoline Man and his clown car crew:
Dude... get some perspective.... they just did what Russia has been doing even during economic crisis's... they are acting like they cured cancer for fucks sake...
The rocket engine they used will be more expensive because it is designed to be reused... by their own figures half the time they have not been able to reuse the rocket... which makes it more expensive than a disposable rocket.
If you are reloading small arms ammo you have to be able to reuse the brass case quite a few times before it becomes cost effective compared with just buying commercial ammo... brass ammo cases are expensive so you only save money if they can be reused but with a 50% failure rate it is not cheaper it is much more expensive even when you don't include your time at minimum wage. Cheaper to buy factory made ammo.
But as said, this should light a fire under Roscosmos ass.
Why. What are they doing wrong?
America now has a new man rated rocket finally after ten years of not having one because they were idiots because they didn't have any alternative even planned despite knowing the Space Shuttle was too expensive to use as a shuttle to a space station... Russia has a man rated rocket and a replacement in development.... there is no rush... Russia doesn't need to risk lives like the US is to get back to the ISS...
Russia is doing everything right.
The gloating of this is so sad. Russia made good money from US to ferry US astronauts for years
Exactly.... effectively the US and Russia work at the same place (ISS) and when the US lost its licence they paid Russia to take them to work and back. Now that the US has a new car they are bitching about Russia not earning money taking them to work and back... but their new car is a brand new design... lets see how safe it is and if it is not safe what are Americas options then...
1) Even Russian "experts" instinctively want to panhandle from the USA, doing anything for themselves is unimaginable for them
Oh please... could you not find an article from the Jamestown foundation or the BBC or CNN or some other reputable pro Russia site?
The fact is that there is butt hurt and it is from America because for the last 10 years the greatest superpower has had to bum rides from poor backward third world gas station Russia, so to hide the fact they have gotten back a capability they should never have lost in the first place they are bitching and moaning about something not really very interesting at all.
2) Trampoline Man is still bullshiting everyone about cutting seat cost just to one-up Musk, he could be giving them away for free but Americans aren't coming back (which seems to be the only important thing for him)
After the landing fails and the escape system barbecues everyone on board they might want to come back...
3) Putin doesn't seem to be too concerned with the way Roskosmos is (mis)managed anyway, he allows that moron to do whatever he wants regardless of consequences
What did he do wrong... Russian access to the ISS has been assured continuously and a replacement launch system is being developed in good time.
4) Fact that Rogozin made those dumb comments BEFORE he was appointed head of Roskosmos tells you all you need to know about how seriously whole thing is taken by government and Putin, they just dumped his dumb ass in least important sector of government to get rid of him without concern for consequences
What dumb comments... it was the US that was unable to get to the ISS and had to beg the Russians for free (available) seats not the other way around.
5) There will be no "international cooperation" in Mars missions, those who can get there are not interested in sharing their accomplishments with losers
They would get there faster without the Americans... with a better survival probability... and would actually be mentioned in the movies and books made about it if they don't go as part of a US mission...
AGAIN: This day would have been nothing special had the Grand Imbecilic Moron kept his fat stupid mouth shut all those years ago (nobody was soliciting his opinion anyway)
It isn't anything special... only you are creaming your pants over Musk... they haven't even gotten back home yet... remember... that is what destroyed two of their previous platforms for getting it to space...
But he didn't and now thanks to him Russia is looking like a clownshow (more than usual)
Russia could talk for weeks about how fantastic an achievement this was and western news agencies wouldn't notice because it is not newsworthy... but why should Russia care about the US restoring a capacity it should never have lost... that is the real incompetence they are trying to hide with this BS.
I wonder when he will crawl back into the public eye? He is probably waiting for this to blow over like a little bitch that he is but this will not be blowing over ever
What to blow over... why should he give a shit about what the Japan times is posting on its website?
Just looking at what Russian internet users are doing to him online is glory to behold (as they should, he made morons out of all of them)
Feeble minded internet trolls should be ignored, not encouraged or be praised.
Rogozin says he is working on two new spaceships, five new rockets and a new space station but other than his word as have nothing else so something with both sources and Rogozin-free would be a welcome change of pace
But how could he possibly be managing things properly by doing such things... he should be praising Musk in his own Musk shrine that takes ten years longer to build than the new space port....
PD has a stick up his arse about Rogozin but I think its time for it to be extracted.
He certainly does, but does not seem interested in removing it... bags not that job...
He inherited a mess and he (and his team) is successfully beating the industry back into shape. I'm reasonably happy with his performance, but I guess PD just doesn't like to be proved wrong...
But that is the problem... he seems to think Space X is wonderful and that NASA are amazing... you'd think the roles were reversed and it was the Russians bludging seats from the US to get to the ISS and that it was the Russians that fucked up and didn't have their own man rated rockets to get to space but are working on some piece of shit system that replicates all the bad things about the Space shuttle... reusing it made it more expensive because the costs of refurbishing and checking and repairing bits that needed replacement like heat tiles is fucking expensive.... it is much cheaper to just make them disposable and one use only... maybe make them recoverable so the metals can be recycled, but making them reusable and then no reusing them makes them more expensive... not less.
Especially when you count the cost of time involved to recover and clean and inspect and reload/prepare for new launch... in comparison cheap mild steel case ammo mass produced by the billion in some factory somewhere is always going to work out cheaper unless you can use the brass case 20 times.
Right now they have 83 launches and 44 landings and 31 reflown rockets... it simply isn't good enough to be financially viable to a company that actually has to get results... ie a company in the real world. Thanks to US taxpayer subsidies however they can be failures and lose shit loads of money and the research the US military wants on restartable rocket engines will get done but don't bullshit me about how revolutionary and wonderful they are that is just corruption...
It is Ironic that America is pushing private enterprise to develop space access... they have trillions to bail out wall street and 750 billion to bail out the banks, but no money to boldly go where no one has gone before? How unamerican...
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