IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #1

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An Mi-17 with MAWS has crashed in Iraq, it's unknown whether shot down or an accident but someone said MANPAD.

Well if we would have a picture of its tail section and from the other engine we would know for sure if MANPAD or rather crash, usually Mi-8 fuselage is made super light and even after MANPADs, there is always something that catches fire and we would see even from this angle some kind of damage, i guess it was no MANPAD, but even if it was, MAWS do not counter MANPADs, they only notify the crew and have a reaction time of 0.5 seconds untill they can flare.

Iraq is really turning in to a military equipment grave yard.

That is not really fair to say, iraq has to deal with USraels terrorist group while they are highly financed and armed by USrael and their Middle Eastern slaves, with such conditions the entire US airfleet would be a graveyard and their graveyards were already pretty big against sanctioned iraq, not to mention what will happen when they get newest stuff and get personally paid for every dead american like US did in Afghanistan.

the Mi171 was attacked by a MANPAD>

looks like the missile missed but still damaged the helo and it crash landed.

Still its a better situation than what happened to the Mi35Ms without any MAWS which get direct hits from the missiles and everyone is killed inside.

sheytanelkebir wrote:the Mi171 was attacked by a MANPAD>

looks like the missile missed but still damaged the helo and it crash landed.

Still its a better situation than what happened to the Mi35Ms without any MAWS which get direct hits from the missiles and everyone is killed inside.

Well this stupidity i can not understand, why not buying a proper self defense suite, it is not that expensive. Either they are aiming exactly at that outcome so they can ask the government for always a new budget to buy new helicopters for the downed once and try to cut of the budget for themselfs everytime a budget is granded or they are just imbeciles like Secretary of Education in the movie Idiocracy.

it is either complete stupidity, or the systems like "president S" are not ready or not cleared for export... who knows.

I mean even if such a system adds $2M to the cost of the helicopter... its a small price to pay IMHO when you're flying in MANPAD infested areas every day.

sheytanelkebir wrote:it is either complete stupidity, or the systems like "president S" are not ready or not cleared for export... who knows.

I mean even if such a system adds $2M to the cost of the helicopter... its a small price to pay IMHO when you're flying in MANPAD infested areas every day.

President-S is ready since 3-4 years and offered for export, people are still money greedy and try to cut it on the wrong ends.

Kornet took out at ISIL vechile

Clear as MUD!!!

Someone told me the MI-17 hit an electric pole and crashed, that it wasn't hit by a MANPAD. Crew survived.

iraqidabab wrote:Someone told me the MI-17 hit an electric pole and crashed, that it wasn't hit by a MANPAD. Crew survived.

Well it didn't look like it was hit by anything with explosives.

TheArmenian wrote:TR1, you are a very mean person.

(I am no angel either)

Thx very much TheArmenian
This is what many of us suspect, US acknowaledged they lost only 80 M1 Abrams. The reality, they lost more than 200 with several hundreds of their M2 Bradley, Humvees, their AH-64. They were kicked everywhere. In 1944 against germans. 1950-53 in Korea-Mc Arthur enraged, and wanted to nuke China-. 1965-1972 -Gen Curtis LeMay enraged too, wanted to nuke North Vietnam-. Indeed, in Iraq, in 1991 it seems they won, but....take a look here about their courage, and their exploits :
https://www.russiadefence.net/t1805-a-10-thunderbolt-ii#79767

F-15E wrote:
The M1 is a true Tank and not a coffin for soldiers.....
You see...... That tank isn't a russian rusty sh*t..... the M1s are real tanks......

Well, let's admit it would be true. And the M1 would be a tank. Why US din't stay in Iraq ?

iraqidabab wrote:Most tanks and humvees in Iraq are destroyed by IED's not RPG's.

Figures ? Concret proofs -obviously, other than US hypes- ?

nemrod wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Most tanks and humvees in Iraq are destroyed by IED's not RPG's.

Figures ? Concret proofs -obviously, other than US hypes- ?

IED's are the #1 weapon of choice for ISIS terrorists, whether for suicide bombing or dug in the roadside. Iraq doesn't have many tanks so I can't get you a lot of video's proving it for the Abrams, but for humvees there are many vids and most were destroyed with IED's.

iraqidabab wrote:

nemrod wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Most tanks and humvees in Iraq are destroyed by IED's not RPG's.

Figures ? Concret proofs -obviously, other than US hypes- ?

IED's are the #1 weapon of choice for ISIS terrorists, whether for suicide bombing or dug in the roadside. Iraq doesn't have many tanks so I can't get you a lot of video's proving it for the Abrams, but for humvees there are many vids and most were destroyed with IED's.

This isn't about USrael ISIS terrorists it is about US terrorist army invading iraq and getting loses in high amounts from RPG's and older ATGM's against Abrams tanks, penetrating several dozens from side or rear, that is why US bought TUSK allegedly based on patents of Nii Stali of Kontakt-1 ERA.

iraqidabab wrote:

nemrod wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:Most tanks and humvees in Iraq are destroyed by IED's not RPG's.

Figures ? Concret proofs -obviously, other than US hypes- ?

IED's are the #1 weapon of choice for ISIS terrorists, whether for suicide bombing or dug in the roadside. Iraq doesn't have many tanks so I can't get you a lot of video's proving it for the Abrams, but for humvees there are many vids and most were destroyed with IED's.

I think I was misunderstood.

Let's to be clear friend, when I asked my questions, I asked about courageous, and brave iraqi resistance against the US barbaric occupation between 2003-2011. This resistance has nothing to see with these filthy bastards of terrorists so-called Isis, or Daesh that are in fact US allies.
When Iraqi resistance started to resist against occupation, it was the hell for US army. Petraeus asked saudi tribe's help, via this porc terrorist of Bandar bin "pig".
The result was immediat, the terrorist wave rushed into Iraq, instead of fighting US barbaric occupation, they sent "kamikaze" against Shia, christian, Yazidis, and certain sunni peoples. If you see, the terrorists had never attacked US forces, but only iraqi civilians, in order to trigger the civil war. These are the same terrorists that are now inside Daesh, Isis, Jabat Al Nosrah etc....Moreover the video posted by TheArmenian is in fact about true iraqi popular resistance against US occupation.
The terrorists came in order to help US occupation, and Israel. After US retreat from Iraq, Terrorists came from the worldwide in order to destroy Iraq, Syria, and Iran. My hope is the syrian, and iraqi government will exterminate all these rats, untill the last. Untill the last.

Just a recall, this is a concret result of US air campaign against Isis. As you can see, US are helping them, in order to destroy the all Middle East.

It is said that 300 US Marine is trapped in somewhere by the ISIS

http://www.libertynews.com/2015/02/breaking-reports-claim-isis-just-captured-al-asad-air-base-where-300-u-s-marines-are-now-trapped/

It's Al Asad airbase.

It has 320 US marines and 800 Iraqi forces being trained along with other Iraqi forces both army and allied tribes. 25 ISIS wearing Iraqi uniform infiltrated the airbase but were killed by Iraqi forces of which 8 were suicide bombers.

But it poses no real threat, if ISIS launches an offensive with large numbers they will get it from the air, all they can do is try to infiltrate as Iraqi soldiers as they tried this time.

Most tanks and humvees in Iraq are destroyed by IED's not RPG's.

It takes real balls to step out in the open and fire an RPG at a modern tank... often it is much easier to just collect some explosive together with a remote trigger and set it off from a distance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0H1H7XLHIY

Nice explosion video . Dat Abrams turret pop !

I don't feel bad about posting this since no Iraqi Armed forces personnel were in there when it blew.

TR1 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0H1H7XLHIY

Nice explosion video . Dat Abrams turret pop !

I don't feel bad about posting this since no Iraqi Armed forces personnel were in there when it blew.

Looks like much more fuel explosion than brisant HE shells.

That Abrams got blown up by Chechens mainly saw in a video, the country is full of foreign terrorists. Iraq should stop using Abrams against ISIS, the heavy tanks are clearly ineffective against them. Instead save them for enforcing a barrier on the Syrian border and deterrence of conventional forces.

Reading about a T-90 surviving 7 RPG hits it really makes me wonder, is it the Iraqi tank crews that are messing up that often or are Iraq's Abrams armored that poorly ( even though ISIS has Kornet and other ATGW equipment ).

iraqidabab wrote:That Abrams got blown up by Chechens mainly saw in a video, the country is full of foreign terrorists. Iraq should stop using Abrams against ISIS, the heavy tanks are clearly ineffective against them. Instead save them for enforcing a barrier on the Syrian border and deterrence of conventional forces.

Reading about a T-90 surviving 7 RPG hits it really makes me wonder, is it the Iraqi tank crews that are messing up that often or are Iraq's Abrams armored that poorly ( even though ISIS has Kornet and other ATGW equipment ).

Most probably both, no ERA against shaped charges which makes this vehicles easy targets near urban locations and iraq does not really have much time for training nor money not to mention the long period of sanctions against iraq.

Some historical pics of Tu-22's in Iraqi service

iraqidabab wrote:That Abrams got blown up by Chechens mainly saw in a video, the country is full of foreign terrorists. Iraq should stop using Abrams against ISIS, the heavy tanks are clearly ineffective against them. Instead save them for enforcing a barrier on the Syrian border and deterrence of conventional forces.

Reading about a T-90 surviving 7 RPG hits it really makes me wonder, is it the Iraqi tank crews that are messing up that often or are Iraq's Abrams armored that poorly ( even though ISIS has Kornet and other ATGW equipment ).

Kornet has much higher penetration than RPG-7 is what it comes down to. Or even RPG-29. Plus, it is all about where you hit. Abrams survived plenty of RPG-7s in non critical areas.

Same with T-72s. In Chechnya one survived 14 RPGs, and was able to drive its own.
Other cases, one gets penetrated once, and ammo is detonated, crew dead.

TR1 wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:That Abrams got blown up by Chechens mainly saw in a video, the country is full of foreign terrorists. Iraq should stop using Abrams against ISIS, the heavy tanks are clearly ineffective against them. Instead save them for enforcing a barrier on the Syrian border and deterrence of conventional forces.

Reading about a T-90 surviving 7 RPG hits it really makes me wonder, is it the Iraqi tank crews that are messing up that often or are Iraq's Abrams armored that poorly ( even though ISIS has Kornet and other ATGW equipment ).

Kornet has much higher penetration than RPG-7 is what it comes down to. Or even RPG-29. Plus, it is all about where you hit. Abrams survived plenty of RPG-7s in non critical areas.

Same with T-72s. In Chechnya one survived 14 RPGs, and was able to drive its own.
Other cases, one gets penetrated once, and ammo is detonated, crew dead.

In the case of RPG-7, it also depends on which warhead we use.

The strongest warhead of RPG-7 is a tandem warhead with penetration power similar to RPG-29.