IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #1

Some historical pics of Tu-22's in Iraqi service

Nice, but the first is a Tu-16 and the second is a Tu-22.

(Note the Tu-16 has engines at its main wing roots, while the Tu-22 has two engines at the base of its vertical tail structure...)

http://www.youngcons.com/state-department-spokesperson-cant-stop-isis-killing-need-give-jobs/

State Department spokesperson: We can’t stop ISIS by killing them, we need to give them jobs

higurashihougi wrote:http://www.youngcons.com/state-department-spokesperson-cant-stop-isis-killing-need-give-jobs/

State Department spokesperson: We can’t stop ISIS by killing them, we need to give them jobs

Hmm maybe we need to tuck them in at night and read them bedtime stories too? After all, they're just misunderstood.

Australian PM Tony Abbott wants to send 3500 Australian combat troops to fight ISIS in Iraq. Only his military advisors say it is unwise without NATO/US support.

Untill now, in 2015, the US air campaign, as russian-syrian air campaign are hampered,  by the very low coast hardwares as S-60, ZSU familly, NSV, DSHK, and KS-19. Hence, Iam afraid that it is highly probable that these filthy terrorists could resist during months and months, must be years, if not decades. Can someone know a solution against these low coasts hardwares ? What about laser bombs ? AFAIK, it seems that if solutions existed, syrian-russian might trial them. Iam very pessimist. What can we do to crush these bastards, if the state of the art hardware are useless. The US fighter-bombers are bombing at more than 5.000 or 6.000 meters altitude, if not above, with a total inefective results, contrary to what western's shit media assert. The S-60's rpm is nearly 120, if you have 20, to 30, this hardware detere any low altitude bombing. If you add other low coast anti aircrafts guns as ZSU familly, and DSHK, Iisis flthy-terrorists are under a kind of umbrella. It is unbelievable, 30-50's hardwares resist to the 2010's hardwares.

In fact, it seems that there are no solutions against Isis.

The solution is not just militarily but winning Sunnis on the Iraqi side. With ISIS massacring Sunnis left and right they're helping us with that.

Militarily the Iraqi volunteers are burning ISIS, they are unlike the army decentralized, light and fight using similar tactics as ISIS making them a lot more effective.

The major operations will be Mosul and approaching & enforcing a barrier on the Syrian border. For that the coalition should take some risks and provide CAS + Apache support, perhaps special forces on the ground.

iraqidabab wrote:
...For that the coalition should take some risks and provide CAS + Apache support, perhaps special forces on the ground.

Apache Support ? And special forces on the ground ? I think you are Iraqi ? U remember very well what were the value of US Apache, and US special forces between Falujah, Mosul, Bagdad ? Americans begged to saudi tribe in order to create civil war in Iraq. Apaches will be crashed, special forces won't have a better fate. More than anyone among us you know that. Moreover, Turkey, Qatar, France, and Israel are continuing to support them. As Nasrallah said few days ago, Daesh is no longer a threat to Israel, on contrary. Well, it would be interresting in this case to provide palestinians the same hardware against Zionist entity. Iam afraid against these bastards of Isis there are not solution.

The best answer to conventional gun anti aircraft weapons like S-60 etc is altitude... and with modern guided bombs they don't need to be delivered from low altitude.

Decent UAVs with high quality EO systems can see targets from enormous distances, which means very slow very high flying UAVs can loiter for hours or even days looking for targets.

Precision means less power is needed so despite the fact that 100 B-52s dropping thousands of 250kg bombs could cover a very wide area yet still miss a point target, with a guided bomb using Glonass or Navstar guidance you can use a tiny bomb like an FAB-50 if it is accurate enough to get within 2m of the target.

Then instead of wiping out an entire town or village you can hit a specific room of one building and one large UAV can carry a lot more 50kg bombs than it can carry 500kg bombs.

The real key factor is that air power alone wont win this war... you need airpower to give your eyes on the target and weapons ready to hit that target, but you need ground forces to put that target under pressure and either form up into a force to fight the ground force or to flee back to the next town or village they hold.

Either way air power can hit the enemy when they return fire or when they withdraw back to the previous town or village.

The key is ground and air working together, with air as vision and support but the ground forces actually forcing the ISIS forces to decide to either concentrate their forces to resist the attack of ground forces... and therefore becoming a target, or running away and forming lots of little targets for air power to engage.

Apaches and Havocs and Hinds and Frogfoot aircraft would be ideal to operate with the ground forces to support them in their attacks... especially if they can receive information from UAVs on targets and the situation as it happens.

GarryB wrote:Precision means less power is needed so despite the fact that 100 B-52s dropping thousands of 250kg bombs could cover a very wide area yet still miss a point target, with a guided bomb using Glonass or Navstar guidance you can use a tiny bomb like an FAB-50 if it is accurate enough to get within 2m of the target.

Correct me if I am wrong but GPS like GLONASS and NAVSTAR can be jammed quite easily and that's why RQ-170 was caught by Iran.

And that's why Russia uses a number of short lifespan low-alitude militarly specialized microsattlelite to deliver a better guidance.

Correct me if I am wrong but GPS like GLONASS and NAVSTAR can be jammed quite easily and that's why RQ-170 was caught by Iran.

They certainly can be jammed, but that just means your first priority is to locate the jammers and destroy them.

Once they are dealt with a combination of sat guided and laser guided and even laser beam riding weapons can be used... against a single point target even the 7kg warhead of a Shturm would be enough most of the time...

higurashihougi wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but GPS like GLONASS and NAVSTAR can be jammed quite easily and that's why RQ-170 was caught by Iran.
And that's why Russia uses a number of short lifespan low-alitude militarly specialized microsattlelite to deliver a better guidance.

Indeed, it seems to be easy to jam them.
I had a hope when Russia delivered to Syria their new Mig-29 a few years ago, with modern and integrated C4I components, and new russian jdam bombs, their 3D radars coverture might be a game changer agaist these filthy terrorists. I hoped in that time syrian army could obliterated easily DAESH. I hoped too that now all DAESH leaders hung by their feet. However, few years after, Iam disillusioned. I note that it is now near impossible to suppress them. With very cheap, old weapons they could forbide the state of the art weaponneries now to run normally. Here is an exampe to show you how a simple ZU-23 mm could hamper every JDAM, or new LJDAM whatever inside F-22, B2, B1, F-15E, SU-30 MKI, SU-25, or any other hardware, and how it is hard to deal with this challenge.

GarryB wrote: Precision means less power is needed so despite the fact that 100 B-52s dropping thousands of 250kg bombs could cover a very wide area yet still miss a point target, with a guided bomb using Glonass or Navstar guidance you can use a tiny bomb like an FAB-50 if it is accurate enough to get within 2m of the target.

In fact, is it a scoop ? Not at all. We were blinded by the filthy US hypes about their so-called -air campaign- success in Iraq, and in Serbia. The deep analysis about the consequences of the bombing campaign either in Iraq -during Desert Storm,  a great parts in not the near totality of bombs were used by B-52. America acknowaledged only 48%, the reality seems to be near 80-90% of bombs launched in Iraq . After the war, US studies realized the campaign had a limited impact. The reality, the bombing campaign destroyed only civil, and military fixed infrastructures.  -, or in Serbia reveals that far to be success, it was near a complete faillure. In 1991 US, in spite of US coalition air superiority failed  to successfully destroyed iraqi army, as it was during Serbia. The best examples of a faillure  air campaign by modern western army is Israel recently, 2006 in Lebanon,  and 2012, and 2014 against palestinians. In these following cases, Israel used all range of C4I components availlable in US arsenal, as for example satelittes, AESA radars and their 3D scanning ground, JDAM, etc... The result was a complete faillure to deal with old 30's and 50's anti aircrafts guns.
Hence, Syria cannot afford to sacrify all its youth against these bunch of gangsters provided by Saudi tribe, and Turkey. Since this war was created, several dozens thousands of syrians died or critically wounded, furthermore, several dozens of aircrafts, either Mil-8-24, Mig-21, Mig-23, furthermore, you can add several hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles. It is a huge blow for the poor Syria.
It means that the disaster by creating DAESH will have gloomy consequences for not only middle east, but for all the world. Let's hope in collateral casualities, for example it will destroy Seoud tribe's regime, and zionist entity.

SU-25 maybe

iraqidabab wrote:SU-25 maybe

I don't think either a SU-25, or A-10 -nevertheless, nothing is impossible-, or any fighter bomber could dare to fly below 6.000 m. Nevertheless, it is possible that an US cruise missile shot the target. Maybe, because US special forces were near the target, informed by spy inside DAESH. If DAESH has Oerlikon -and I think Turkey, could provide them with this such hardware-, it will be hard to bomb them. But sometimes, by chance, a cruise missile could reach the target. Or simply US coalition special forces, if not iraqi, or syrian special forces successfully destroyed this target.

TOS-1 video firing at Tikrit as massive operation will commence soon to free tikrit

http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t50.2886-16/11014078_1031984736815801_257108230_n.mp4

Serbia to set up arms&ammo factories in Iraq, sell arms and train officers.

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Russia should like Serbia open up (arms) industries in Iraq, there's a lot of manpower available for industrial work. Somehow since the 80's local production went mostly with the help of smaller Eastern European states rather than with Russian cooperation.


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What kind of video's can I post here btw ? Should video's with graphic footage ( ISIS casualties ) be avoided ?

Any video with graphic images should have a warning... and also check the static picture for them so they don't show anything offensive.


If it is not something you would show your own grandma and 5 year old niece then include a warning that is graphic.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-helicopter-delivering-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-isis-shot-down-by-iraqi-popular-forces/5434230

The Iraqi popular forces who shot down a US helicopter carrying weapons for the ISIL forces in Al-Baqdadi region released the photos of the shot down chopper through the Internet.

A group of Iraqi popular forces known as Al-Hashad Al-Shabi shot down the US Army helicopter that was carrying weapons for the ISIL in the western parts of Al-Baqdadi region in Al-Anbar province on Thursday.

A US helicopter that looks suspiciously identical to a Mi-8.

If there was any proof that USA support ISIS, we would long since know about it from Russian or Iranian intel services. Revealing such involvement would easily cause the biggest political scandal in the history of mankind and destroy US position for decades to come - a handful of countries would be very happy to see that.

Lothar von Trotha wrote:If there was any proof that USA support ISIS, we would long since know about it from Russian or Iranian intel services. Revealing such involvement would easily cause the biggest political scandal in the history of mankind and destroy US position for decades to come - a handful of countries would be very happy to see that.

Another joker on this forum... we already have evidence and proofs since months over months, either you do not read other comments or just one of those ignorant like Firebird, FP and Hyiawhatever guy that puts people on ignore list as soon someone puts information out of anything.

Pictures of US officials with ISIS terrorists like McCocaine, USAID financing ISIS, weapons caches send to ISIS from US via turkey and dozens of other stuff of direct involvement.

Feel welcomed on my ignore list too. You leave me no choice.

FP and others are no big US fans, they simply think you are a nutcase.

Thanks that you proof me right, nutcases are people like you that declare everyone and everything a conspiracy "theorist" despite facts layn down for imbeciles like you.

Well, it sure does not help US when news of your weapons end up in the hands of ISIS when your FSA guys join the ISIS. Or the picture of John McCain with the terrorist head hancho.

Pretty much caught red handed, even if they are not directly funding them. And I am pretty sure Israeli members on MP.net bitched and moaned how Russia supported terrorists because Russian weapons sold to Syria ended in Hezbolla hands.....

Nothing is laid down in front of me. If it was, I would believe too. But I believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. The claim that USA support ISIS is a mighty claim - and therefore evidence supporting it must be absolutely undeniable. To understand what I mean, look at court documents in common criminal cases - they often take hundreds of pages.

But I doubt you'll bother because you simply redefined the word "support" in a way that suits your strange agenda. In the entire war in Syria there is a broad array of groups. Some estimates put the number of armed Sunni groups in Syria at several hundred, even the largest ones like FSA or IF are just loose confederations of smaller groups. Most of them are actually hostile to IS and IS considers all of them as apostates, maybe except Nusra. These rebels actually fought a bloody battle with IS in Deir Ezzor, list 2500 killer and were expelled from there.

But all of that does not matter to you. They are all ISIS. Even if they do not know about it, they still are.

I do not want US influence in Europe or the Middle East - but I am not a nutcase that simply picks up whatever makes US look bad. I have studied ME history and religion (having read approx. 100 books about it) and I know that foreign interference is not the biggest enemy of Middle Easterners. They are their own enemies. Their mentality worka against them, their social structure works against them and their religion worka against them.

These people must change. They must destroy the walls of hatred they built around themselves - stop seeing each other as Sunnis and Shias, Arabs and Kurds, believers and disbelievers or members of tribe this or that. They must start seeing each other as humans - first and foremost. Only this will stop the bloodshed.