The Situation in the Ukraine. #28

medo wrote:

franco wrote:Believe I read several years back that LNR had an EW capable plant.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/topaz-pjsc.htm

DNR have Topaz radio electronic plant, which produced Kolchuga ELINT complexes. They for sure now receive all needed components from Russia, that they could produce all needed modern equipment. DNR and LNR already show their domestic jammers to jam drones, so most probably they are producing them in that plant.

Ex-president Zaharchenko was anouncing, that DNR will produce their own modern communications, to be better protected against jamming and spying. They are for sure able to produce them. They never show much about new radio stations, but if they produce them, than they keep them in secret.

Does anyone know where is it possible to find a list of all the industries in the donbass?

Backman wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

medo wrote:

franco wrote:Believe I read several years back that LNR had an EW capable plant.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/topaz-pjsc.htm

DNR have Topaz radio electronic plant, which produced Kolchuga ELINT complexes. They for sure now receive all needed components from Russia, that they could produce all needed modern equipment. DNR and LNR already show their domestic jammers to jam drones, so most probably they are producing them in that plant.

Ex-president Zaharchenko was anouncing, that DNR will produce their own modern communications, to be better protected against jamming and spying. They are for sure able to produce them. They never show much about new radio stations, but if they produce them, than they keep them in secret.

Does anyone know where is it possible to find a list of all the industries in the donbass?

Wiki has some stuff on it.

Prior to the start of the region's war in April 2014, Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts together produced about 30 percent of Ukraine's exports.[59] Other industries in Donetsk which may overlap Donbass include blast-furnace and steel-making equipment, railway freight cars, metal-cutting machine-tools, tunneling machines, agricultural harvesters and ploughing systems, railway tracks, mining cars, electric locomotives, military vehicles, tractors and excavators. The region also produces consumer goods like household washing-machines, refrigerators, freezers, TV sets, leather footwear, and toilet soap. Over half its production is exported, and about 22% is exported to Russia.[60]

So all things that are needed.

Hopefully many of those are still operating.

There is also a turbine blades production facility in luhansk oblast (near the Russian border), formerly owned by motor sich.

Mariupol also has many steel mills, shipping companies and an important shipyard, but unfortunately is still in the Ukraine controlled area.

Now it would have to be checked how many of the other industries are in the ukraine controlled area (for the moment).

Anyway, after an official separation of the Donbass from the ukraine, Russia could invest and modernise those industries.

Maybe for the consumer goods a new patriotic brand could be created, and some proper advertising done, so that it (at least partially) replaces Samsung and other imported household appliances.  I know that Russian brands do exist, but foreign brands have still the lion's share of the market.

Furthermore  a new plant for automotive industry could be opened there as well.  It would be nice to show how rich and developed can become the donbass in comparison to other regions of the ukraine.

Even if other oblasts like Dnipro, zaporozhe, kharkov (even Kiev etc.) should eventually detach from the Ukraine and return to Russia I still believe that the Donbass deserves to receive much more help and investment.

Probably the best would be to fully integrate these two oblasts with Rostov oblast

A few wet dreams from NATO stooge Dmitro Kuleba


Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba writes on Facebook that his dream is a large NATO exercise in the country's territory.
https://t.me/rian_ru/68362


https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3147752-kuleba-nato-does-not-imagine-black-sea-security-without-ukraine.html

The meeting showed that the Alliance cannot imagine the security of the Black Sea without Ukraine and Georgia. And this is fundamentally important. It showed another point: most discussion participants in one way or another support the future membership of Ukraine and Georgia in the Alliance," Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba said in an exclusive commentary to Ukrinform.

He assessed the conversation as substantive and named the key "signals" of Ukraine during the meeting.

"Our key signals: Crimea is militarized by Russia - it is unacceptable, it poses a threat to the security of the Black Sea region, the ways in this region. Collective action is needed. Second, Ukraine seeks deeper engagement with the Alliance at all levels, in particular, we want to see more NATO exercises in the territory of Ukraine. Third, Ukraine's membership in NATO is inevitable, so we believe that everyone will benefit from it and we call for the next step, namely granting the Membership Action Plan. That was not a discussion. Everyone expressed their position, made statements," the minister said.

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Grotesque #hypocrisy

The #MinskAgreement signatories Ukraine, Germany and France
blocked webcast on official #UN Web TV where representatives of #Donetsk and #Lugansk People's #Donbass Republics spoke about Minsk Agreement

Watch it here:
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https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1333889184982044674

https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/1334214451009122304

An example why all the "recognition" of this and that from NATzO members is worth less than used toilet paper.   It is not based on
any objective principles and respect for self-evident historical rights of Novorossiya, but on petty self-interest.   The USA and
its lickspittles never had any right to recognize Crimea as part of Ukraine.   They never had any right to include Sevastopol as
part of this "package" since it was never part of Ukraine between 1954 and 1990.  And their non-recognition of Donbass,
South Ossetia and Abkahzia does not matter one bit.

The "recognition" is just a modern bullshit. I do not believe that france recognized the loss of alsace and lorraine in 1871, but in that case they lost a war against germany (they did recover it later, anyway). European history is made of countries stealing land from each other. Thinking that you can freeze the borders after you manage to cause the most damaging outcome for your opponent is just bullshit. One thing is if you find a mutual compromise and something that respect also the population. Another is thinking that mistakes from 30 years ago cannot be corrected and have to remain without changes eternally because of the UN. The UN is just a sort of country club for nations. Having a seat there does not mean that your country is particularly successful or relevant globally.

Midget state or colonies should stop thinking they count something. This is also valid from my country (Italy) even if it could be the most important regional player in the Mediterranean. Unfortunately we behave like a colony, my countrymen enjoy to be france, germany and america'w lap dogs and we do not have real politicians, statemen or influential entrepreneurs (also because when we had them in the past our friends french and Americans killed them (as an example Enrico Mattei))

I believe UN will be reformed anyway before 2030.