That is currently the focus even for tactical fighters, to be turned into ISR assets themselves with very sophisticated sensors and automated threat classification / data sharing provisions. I guess there is nice incentive for an attacking force to detect a possibly concealed S-400 battery, even more when they start launching interceptors...
Great, so they will all be operating their radars and transmitting information...
The AWACS is quite likely not going to put itself in range of the S-400,
And in that sense probably the best vehicle to kill them with is probably the 150km range S-350 with ARH missiles and 30km ceiling, on a relatively light small vehicle that could have 6 long range SAMs and the other 6 tubes loaded with 24 IIR guided 9M100 missiles for self defence...
AWACS needs to provide an air picture for aircraft working in that air space and wont be able to be too picky as it where it operates much of the time.
If the AWACS wont fly where there is a hint of S-400 then the Russians have effectively defeated AWACS and HATO aircraft can only fight Russia using their own sensors...
that is, they will not go beyond the point that is considered safe / has been already cleared by the SEAD teams, or so it should be.
SEAD operations normally work best when enemy air defences are busy and the enemy air force is also busy... the vast majority of Russian air defence forces... whether Air Force or Army or Ground forces Navy can shoot down anti radiation missiles and the aircraft that launch them rather efficiently and effectively... if they are going to attack then they need to bring their A game which includes AWACS and JSTARS and inflight refuelling aircraft all of which will be horribly vulnerable.
Therefore the first planes to be in risk are attack planes and their escorts, not AWACS
Without fighters and fighter management from AWACS they will get slaughtered.
You think an A-10 could just fly over a Russian armoured unit and just pick off targets with Mavericks after using Sidearm to take out the Shilka?
In the case of a fast plane attacked by a SAM at maximum range, four minutes are more than enough to turn around and defeat the missile.
With no AWACS there and presumably this aircraft is not blazing away with its own radar... their first warning they are under attack will be when an S-400 comes roaring down in a steep dive having just turned on its ARH radar at mach 4-5. Hello... and then 150kgs of HE and fragments explodes in a rather large fireball...
OK, makes sense since this is a MiG stationed in Kamchatka. The face mask is the normal one isn't it?
It is the standard one that is not and cannot be attached to a pressure suit... the visor makes that clear... this plane might go fast but it isn't going higher than most planes fly or the pressure suit would be needed.
Sure, but at 500 km the S-400 cannot hit the AWACS.
It can detect radar emissions and the direction... without using its own radars, and S-400 batteries all along the front line can also record radar emissions and direction... so someone at HQ can use those bearings and times to estimate the location of the target... so a battery of any kind that is near the location can listen for radar emissions from the AWACS aircraft an confirm its existence and presence... most of their new bigger missiles are ARH so launch to an interception point where they normally turn on their active radar to look for the target but in this case they could just listen for radar signals...
Between this guess of yours and Russian officials' statements that "no AWACS can detect it" I guess we have quite a window of uncertainty...
AWACS is intended for tracking aircraft and directing aircraft to intercept those aircraft. Tracking missiles is more for JSTARS isn't it?
All I am asking is a source to back those claims.
He is making rough guesses to fill in blanks no one can tell you the correct answer to.
If you are not happy with his estimates come up with some of your own and argue why you think yours are more accurate.
There will be no genuine sources for this sort of thing... and certainly no accurate ones either... because I suspect neither side actually knows until an Su-57 tries to fly towards an AWACS aircraft...
What is the detection range of a APG-83 or 77 vs a S-400 missile then? Such missile directly after launch is a huge vertical metal cylinder with corner reflectors attached to it and several sqm RCS, it will probably be seen from hundreds of km away. The simply huge IR flare of the boost stage is likely to be visible from hundreds of km away, too.
Climbing vertically it will not be closing with those radars and would be as tough to spot immediately at launch as a hovering helicopter but without the signature of the rotor blades. A lamp post is a cylinder and would not have a large RCS... and why do you think it would have corner reflectors fitted to it?
The IR flare is not enormous and the missile will be rolling over in your direction which will hide the IR flare with the body of the missile and also angle the body so RCS would become rather tiny.
There will likely be lots of smaller missiles being launched to shoot down anti radiation missiles and bigger missiles taking down jammer and wild weasel aircraft too... and talking of IR signatures... look at that MiG-31 just turning away after having launched three R-37Ms at the AWACS you are protecting...
I am aware they would not activate the active radar seeker until the last moments, that does not mean a 7.5x0.5 m missile, almost 2000 kg flying 7 M is a stealthy target or can be launched without nobody noticing.
If HATO are invading Russia there will be more than a few being launched rather rapidly and lots of other missiles as well... once it is up and flying towards its target it will fly very very high and very fast... detection or otherwise... why do you think it would matter if the AWACS sees it or not? What are you expecting its supporting fighters to do? Accelerate to mach 5 and climb to 50km altitude and shoot it down with guns?
In which case you would use a 9M96 missile and not a 40N6, as I keep saying.
It doesn't really matter a huge amount as to what missile takes down the AWACS... just as long as one does.
And to carry on from the aircraft carrier threads that is not a good reason for the Russian Air Force to not have AWACS platforms or the Navy not to have CVNs and AWACS aircraft... the Soviets developed the S-300 and S-400 because AWACS platforms are force mulitpliers... which is why dealing with them is such a high priority.
If they are stupid data you can insult me without problems.
If the data is wrong they can make fun of the data, but no personal insults...