Vladimir Putin Thread

kvs wrote:You left out the important detail at the end.   Putin told the woman who revealed that her salary was 25 instead of 2.1*39
thousand rubles per month that if she experienced pressure for her sharing of the truth that she should call the President's
administration number.  

"Tyrant" Putin is seen here doing the job that elected leaders should do.    He is exposing the misbehaviour of government
appartchiks and putting pressure on them to shape up.   He is also acting as the official protector of whistleblowers.  
No NATzO leader acts this way.   That must make them all "democrats" because they bend over and take it from the
corporate oligarchy and from their own bureaucracy.  

Of course no western leader would do that. Why would they? They have plenty of REAL matters to work on.
Task of the president of a nation is not to see why John has recieved 100 USD salary instead of 200 USD. Because if he does this today, tomorrow he would be checking why the hot water in John's bathroom is not as hot as it should be. Or why the soap John baught in the supermarket made not as much bubles as advertised on TV. What kind of bullshit is this?

Same stuff like the workers in Baikonour not having recieved their salaries for months, calling Putin. Then miracously they recieved the money and thanked him on TV.

Sorry, but a state where I have to call the president so I recieve my rightfully due salary is a failed state in my opinion. In a sense that it means ALL the administration below the president are just dummies, of no real meaning, getting their salaries for nothing.

Nomad5891 wrote:

kvs wrote:You left out the important detail at the end.   Putin told the woman who revealed that her salary was 25 instead of 2.1*39
thousand rubles per month that if she experienced pressure for her sharing of the truth that she should call the President's
administration number.  

"Tyrant" Putin is seen here doing the job that elected leaders should do.    He is exposing the misbehaviour of government
appartchiks and putting pressure on them to shape up.   He is also acting as the official protector of whistleblowers.  
No NATzO leader acts this way.   That must make them all "democrats" because they bend over and take it from the
corporate oligarchy and from their own bureaucracy.  

Of course no western leader would do that. Why would they? They have plenty of REAL matters to work on.
Task of the president of a nation is not to see why John has recieved 100 USD salary instead of 200 USD.  Because if he does this today, tomorrow he would be checking why the hot water in John's bathroom is not as hot as it should be. Or why the soap John baught in the supermarket made not as much bubles as advertised on TV. What kind of bullshit is this?

Same stuff like the workers in Baikonour not having recieved their salaries for months, calling Putin. Then miracously they recieved the money and thanked him on TV.

Sorry, but a state where I have to call the president so I recieve my rightfully due salary is a failed state in my opinion. In a sense that it means ALL the administration below the president are just dummies, of no real meaning, getting their salaries for nothing.

Cute attempt to fob it off. You clown, Putin is putting pressure on the higher ups. And here you are bitching that he is wasting
his time with some little nobody.

Sod off, troll.

kvs wrote:

Nomad5891 wrote:

kvs wrote:You left out the important detail at the end.   Putin told the woman who revealed that her salary was 25 instead of 2.1*39
thousand rubles per month that if she experienced pressure for her sharing of the truth that she should call the President's
administration number.  

"Tyrant" Putin is seen here doing the job that elected leaders should do.    He is exposing the misbehaviour of government
appartchiks and putting pressure on them to shape up.   He is also acting as the official protector of whistleblowers.  
No NATzO leader acts this way.   That must make them all "democrats" because they bend over and take it from the
corporate oligarchy and from their own bureaucracy.  

Of course no western leader would do that. Why would they? They have plenty of REAL matters to work on.
Task of the president of a nation is not to see why John has recieved 100 USD salary instead of 200 USD.  Because if he does this today, tomorrow he would be checking why the hot water in John's bathroom is not as hot as it should be. Or why the soap John baught in the supermarket made not as much bubles as advertised on TV. What kind of bullshit is this?

Same stuff like the workers in Baikonour not having recieved their salaries for months, calling Putin. Then miracously they recieved the money and thanked him on TV.

Sorry, but a state where I have to call the president so I recieve my rightfully due salary is a failed state in my opinion. In a sense that it means ALL the administration below the president are just dummies, of no real meaning, getting their salaries for nothing.

Cute attempt to fob it off.  You clown, Putin is putting pressure on the higher ups.  And here you are bitching that he is wasting
his time with some little nobody.

Sod off, troll.

The higher ups?
After more than 20 years of Puting being in power you would think there are no higher ups wanting or even being able to mess with Putin.
You really so naive and think this is for real?
Just a copy/paste of tens of similar PR stunts. I guess its time for him to change the PR team. Showing him of some kind of superhero justice fighter is on the expense of his own adminsitration credibility.


BTW I have lived in a western country for more than 15 years. I have never had issues with salary not being paid to me. But even if I had I would never even think about calling the president (WTF). You just present an official paper, stating company X has not paid your salary for more than Y time. Then local competent administration handles this issue and you get the money you are owned with interest rates and company gets a fine. If company is in no position to pay you then state pays you 50% of the owned salary right away and you start recieving unemployment benefits untill you find new job.

And of course no need for the president to warn you in case you recieve pressure to call him. No one would even think about pressuring you for such stuff as they would go to jail pretty quickly.

Of course no western leader would do that. Why would they? They have plenty of REAL matters to work on.

That is amazing... finding out the numbers you get from the government structure you head is wrong and therefore the information they give is misleading or perhaps a lie suggests much deeper problems... which I would think is the sort of real matter Russian people actually care about.

Why would giving good numbers and feel good bullshit to report matter if the actual people in the country don't earn what these people report they earn and don't have as much comfort as the ministers of the country report?

How do you steer the ship when the navigation officer is telling you everything is fine while you sail through an area full of icebergs?

Task of the president of a nation is not to see why John has recieved 100 USD salary instead of 200 USD.

The task of the captain of the ship is the welfare of the passengers and the job of getting them where they want to go.

The first officer telling the captain everything is fine while the ship is taking on water and the lower cabins are flooding is a big deal... and when the captain hears from someone from those lower cabins that there is ankle deep water in their cabin but the officers don't care and are ignoring it and giving all sorts of excuses then it is time for the captain to have a good talk to the officers to find out why they are giving him false information... he can't do his job properly with false information, and the fact they are not giving him the correct information means they are not doing their jobs properly either.

This is vastly more important than you pretend and I am glad he gave assurances to that lady so that others in a similar situation will speak out and get help or the thing that is wrong is fixed.

Because if he does this today, tomorrow he would be checking why the hot water in John's bathroom is not as hot as it should be.

If Johns water is not hot at all and the people who are supposed to be managing it are signing off saying everything is OK then John needs to have someone he can talk to to sort it out.

Obviously ideally there should be dozens of other lower level people they should be talking to to sort this sort of stuff out but if they all pass the buck or ignore, then there needs to be a higher power.

In western countries you can form a petition you can take to government where if you get a certain number of signatures then they have to read it and respond.

This is a more personal version of this.

In addition to sorting this out I would hope that all the other people that were spoken to about this and that did nothing would either get a severe reprimand... because you are right, the president should not be dealing with this sort of thing, but it is good he does when the people who should are not doing their jobs.

If Putin is getting the wrong numbers reported to him it sounds like it is a rather high level problem... something a president needs to know about.

Or why the soap John baught in the supermarket made not as much bubles as advertised on TV. What kind of bullshit is this?

I don't think a problem with a commercial product is an issue for the Russian government.

But a government official reporting incorrect information to the President regarding incomes is something Putin needs to know about.

Same stuff like the workers in Baikonour not having recieved their salaries for months, calling Putin. Then miracously they recieved the money and thanked him on TV.

Hopefully not just money, but also an investigation into what the problem was that stalled the payments and also why they could not get the issue solved through normal channels rather than having to go to the president.

Sorry, but a state where I have to call the president so I recieve my rightfully due salary is a failed state in my opinion.

That is funny because we had all sorts of problems with teachers salaries here and a lot of teachers were working without getting paid properly... they complained to the government but nothing really got fixed. It was a computer issue I think, but a poor programme that was buggy that they paid enormous money for and had endless problems with.

This sort of crap happens anywhere and any time... thinking that means it is a failed state is just being a drama queen... especially when the situation at hand is actually resolved.

The UK must be a failed state too because how often did Coal Miners go on strike over pay or conditions... or teachers or healthcare workers etc etc etc...

In a sense that it means ALL the administration below the president are just dummies, of no real meaning, getting their salaries for nothing.

It means there are problems with reporting information and problem resolution at lower levels where government departments have too much power to just say no to the public... forcing the public to go over their heads...

That happens everywhere.

The higher ups?
After more than 20 years of Puting being in power you would think there are no higher ups wanting or even being able to mess with Putin.

He is talking about the government officials they would normally talk to to resolve the problems... not higher up than Putin otherwise there would be no point talking to Putin to go over "their" heads.

It would be like wanting Germany or France or the UK to do something so of course you talk to Washington.

Just a copy/paste of tens of similar PR stunts. I guess its time for him to change the PR team. Showing him of some kind of superhero justice fighter is on the expense of his own adminsitration credibility.

Solving problems for the Russian people and not being PC about it is one of the reasons Putin is so popular.

BTW I have lived in a western country for more than 15 years. I have never had issues with salary not being paid to me. But even if I had I would never even think about calling the president (WTF). You just present an official paper, stating company X has not paid your salary for more than Y time. Then local competent administration handles this issue and you get the money you are owned with interest rates and company gets a fine. If company is in no position to pay you then state pays you 50% of the owned salary right away and you start recieving unemployment benefits untill you find new job.

Here in New Zealand a while back the government introduced a new computer management and payment system for the education department... teachers ended up going on strike and having protest marches because of all the fuckups this new payment system created.

Income is often considered private information so most workers have no idea what their fellow workers are being paid... a lot of people might think everyone gets paid more than they do, or everyone might think they get paid less... I think the purpose of making it private is to prevent underpaid workers demanding better pay.

And of course no need for the president to warn you in case you recieve pressure to call him. No one would even think about pressuring you for such stuff as they would go to jail pretty quickly.

I rather suspect that was not to give her confidence to tell if someone was pressuring her to let it go, rather it is for those thinking it might be easier just to fire her and make the problem go away...

I would expect the follow up would include asking the question why was I getting false numbers... at what level did they change, but also I would expect the investigation to talk to that woman to find out who she contacted with to sort out the problem at lower levels who clearly either ignored or stonewalled her.

Maybe she is a drama queen and wanted to get the presidents attention and has not said anything to anyone about this.

Still needs to be investigated so that other people with similar problems don't have to bother the president about this and it can be handled at a much lower level.

Nomad5891 wrote:Of course no western leader would do that. Why would they? They have plenty of REAL matters to work on.
Task of the president of a nation is not to see why John has recieved 100 USD salary instead of 200 USD.  Because if he does this today, tomorrow he would be checking why the hot water in John's bathroom is not as hot as it should be. Or why the soap John baught in the supermarket made not as much bubles as advertised on TV. What kind of bullshit is this?

Same stuff like the workers in Baikonour not having recieved their salaries for months, calling Putin. Then miracously they recieved the money and thanked him on TV.

Sorry, but a state where I have to call the president so I recieve my rightfully due salary is a failed state in my opinion. In a sense that it means ALL the administration below the president are just dummies, of no real meaning, getting their salaries for nothing.

Those supposed "important topics" Western leaders need to take care of is pure demagogy, they are simply mouths for hire for the elites with zero authority to take real decisions. In the West things don't work and you just get fucked, there is nobody to call. Of course it puts some fear in the administration if they know a nobody can totally bypass their wall of lies and show their wrongdoings to their president, that makes them misleading him totally useless. I am surprised that you find actual accountability a reason to complain, unless you are just another troll disguised as a sheep

The video implies to me that Putin instigated this review. He has a habit for due diligence and stages such snap reviews in many
government and military operations. In the precious, self-anointed beacon of humanity west that simply does not happen. Instead
you have the BS pretense that everything is running like well oiled precision machinery. Yeah, right.

The Pentagon can't account for trillions of dollars of expenses and $9,000 dollar toilet seats are an actual news item that I recall
seeing on the US TV news. The troll trying to piss on this event is just that, a troll. Where is the oversight of the massive
debacle of the California high speed rail project? Billions of taxpayer dollars get wasted and nothing is built. But the state leadership
is not involved. So everything must be hunky dory and corruption never happens.

The notion that there is no corruption in the west is intellectually insulting propaganda. What you see is western governments and
their fake stream media outlets pretending there is no corruption. Instead they snow their taxpayers with BS about needing more
money. Like the Mayor of Toronto about 20 years ago who managed to engage 7% annual property tax increases (i.e. doubling
in about 10 years) and always whinged about needing more money. It is rather well known for those that care to know that
the municipal level of government is the most corrupt. The corruption at higher levels (provincial and federal) can be larger scale
in terms of money but is not as primitive. I will repeat, western leaders are like studio props. The are not real leaders.

1) Under Putin taxes have not been increasing and have remained at 13% flat. Now there is some talk of 14% or even a mild
progressive system. But that is associated with people's demands for more government largesse.

2) Putin's boot camp style means that the largest projects in Russia (Kerch strait bridge, Vostochny cosmodrome) are finished
on time and on budget. Vostochny demonstrates my point. It was treated in a "let the process proceed" fashion and got
off the rails with the general contractor trying to shaft the workers in terms of pay and acting as good little western corporations
do and expecting to milk the government with endless delays and cost overruns. It got away with this for about 1.5 years.
Then Putin sent his attack dog Rogozin who fired the contractor, had the workers paid their due and oversaw the completion
of this project in a proper time frame. The project delay and cost overrun was all during the unsupervised "we trust the
contractor" phase. The contractor was subjected to prosecution for criminal behaviour. In the west that almost never happens
unless some other players want a competitor removed.

3) Attempts to fake up corruption under Putin include the ludicrous games with the Sochi Olympics. We had all the money
spent on the regional infrastructure upgrade counted as the cost of the Olympics. Total BS hate projection. The
Olympics cost just over 9 billion US dollars and made a profit of several hundred million. The other 45 billion US went
into railway tunnels, roads and road tunnels, urban development and the creating of prime skiing venues in Russia. A
fully consistent use of the money. These projects were done on time. All the hate drivel about the tourists never
coming again and the money spent on resort venues never being recovered has been debunked year after year. But
you will never see any western fake stream media coverage to correct the initial spew of BS.

At the end of the day, while you have corruption being treated as normal and called anything but corruption in the
west, in Russia the absence of serious corruption thanks to Putin doing his job is being called ultra corruption with
western paid 5th column maggots like Navalny claiming that hundreds of billions of dollars have been stolen from the
"Russian people". This is coming from the clown who spits in the faces of Russians by claiming that Yeltsin's gangster
paradise and poverty were the golden years. That corruption only showed up after Putin took over. This sort of
demented chutzpah in your face lying is all there is. The west trying to return Russia to the colony plantation
which Yeltsin placed it on and from which it escaped thanks in part to Putin. And the west engaging in propaganda
diversion of the attention of its proles from domestic rot.

To summarize, Putin kicks the assess of the corrupt officials allowing actual citizens to bypass them, while in the West the only fight against systemic, top-down corruption and looting of the countries by their comprador elites is praising themselves and covering it all up with propaganda. Anyone trying to sell here the dummy that the Russian way is the inferior one needs to be some special kind of retard, sorry but I am done with so much intelligence insulting BS...

Continuation of the story about the salaries of Siberian scientists: A decision was made to liquidate the territorial administration of the Ministry of Education and Science (responsible officials are dismissed). The Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor's Office became interested in the situation with low salaries of scientists in Novosibirsk.

https://ngs.ru/text/education/2021/02/12/69763415/

The real world. Where some magical process does not maintain itself because of innate western superiority. All human systems
need real oversight and periodic ass kicking. Putin's palms cannot be greased so he is the nightmare of all the crooks. And it
is obvious that the western crooks love to support all sorts of other crooks around the planet through history. They have been
backing every verminous criminal in Russia (Browder, Khodorkovsky, and Navalny). So their hate for Putin is because he is not
a crook.

Attempts to deter Russia intensify as it grows stronger — Putin

Putin is convinced that Russia’s potential adversaries are becoming more and more irked by its successes

https://tass.com/russia/1256193

"From the dawn of time, our opponents or potential adversaries <…> always relied on very ambitious and power-hungry people, always used them," Putin said. "There is nothing new about it. I see nothing new. Too many ambitions, too much energy, they are too eager to earn loads of money, to sweep into power. And all of this is simply being exploited most actively."

No need to break the news to the Russian leadership that the only thing the West wants from Russia is for it to disappear. They now it by heart and have acted accordingly since minute one of Putin's government.

Not only is the West more violent, the stronger Russia grows, but more importantly, and in what will be hugely shocking for many people, Russia will also be able to be more assertive and call out Western bluffs and threats much more often, after having restrained themselves to act only in the few situations where they hold all the cards in their hand. There are many signs of this, being sent very consciously and actively by Russian officials and institutions as of late. The time to act has come, now it remains to be seen if the West is able to read the signs of will keep sleepwalking towards their undoing.

This also gives rise to the more extremists in the country. Putin has lost popularity among the more nationalist groups whom are growing in numbers (way more than libtards) and this has to do with people within Russia see their government isn't being assertive as much as they believe should be.

Time will come that when Putin steps down, will someone more like him (collective, calm and calculated) or someone more extreme?

Russia will hopefully put their import substitution program into overdrive and start with nearly every product there is on the open market and shows demand in Russia. Maybe entice, instead of European nations, Asian nations to open up manufacturing in Russia.

Nomad5891 wrote:  

Of course no western leader would do that. Why would they? They have plenty of REAL matters to work on. Task of the president of a nation is not to see why John has recieved 100 USD salary instead of 200 USD.  Because if he does this today, tomorrow he would be checking why the hot water in John's bathroom is not as hot as it should be. Or why the soap John baught in the supermarket made not as much bubles as advertised on TV. What kind of bullshit is this?

Same stuff like the workers in Baikonour not having recieved their salaries for months, calling Putin. Then miracously they recieved the money and thanked him on TV.

Sorry, but a state where I have to call the president so I receive my rightfully due salary is a failed state in my opinion. In a sense that it means ALL the administration below the president are just dummies, of no real meaning, getting their salaries for nothing.

This is exactly the fucking point ,what you just said ,is so fucking true . and i have been trying
to explain here but in this forum ,is like talking to amateurs who never ever learned anything about
life or ever had a job anywhere.  

@KVS

You don't understand what the role of a leader is .

Leaders are NO micromanagers , if you see a leader anywhere micromanaging everything then is a bad leader. The most important duty of any leader , is to recruit the right people ,to do their job and do it right , and the better that people are in their position , the less supervision you will need on them.

This is why i have been saying for a long time ,that the #1 Problem
Russia have , are not their enemies , is not even NATO , is not navalny , is not the 5th column in Russia either. The biggest and most serious and grave problem Russia have is leadership crisis  

When you have a bad leader as Vladimir Putin is , this can become a very very serious problem for the entire country at the management level that will become visible in the following ways.

1)problems in efficiency of the nation
2)problems in chain of command ,that the president need to micromanage everything.
3)problems of corruption  , like russia have. even the roscosmos new space center .. had corruption
  which is the place where more controls should be.
4)problems with management of everyone under the president .
5)problems with motivation ,nobody interested in doing their jobs.
6)huge problems in national security
7)big problems with population discontent
guide the nation into the wrong direction . lack of ambitions ,lack of vision .
9) true leaders ,create and train good leaders , so the president  does not need to micromanage
   every little thing in the nation.

this is why putin never create leaders.. and have to micromanage everything ,is not others he have to blame but himself instead, what putin creates is yes man , people that obey and bow to him , in order
to conserve their job , only motivation they get is their money and nothing else , because their president  don't inspire them at all to be better in their jobs.

Corruption problems? this is a motivation issue , a leadership issue.. well educated and motivated people will not steal from his own nation future and not risk the future of his /her family .

also more reasons why a good leadership is important.

-if the president is an incompetent ,everyone under him will be incompetent.
-if the president is corrupt ,everyone under him will be corrupt.
-if the president is insecure person ,every authority under him will be insecure.
-if the president is strong ,self secure and with major expectations and ambitions for the future ,
he will attract/find people with similar qualities and will join his circle.

it means that no matter what you do , you will always attract people into your orbit ,that are similar
to you.  And this is the major weakness Russia have ,and that is its leadership is mediocre. and probably the only way putin encourage his citizens to follow him ,is because the west is evil ,and wants to destroy their country. in other words putin motivates others ,by scaring them how bad things will be if the west allowed to do all they want with russia.  

It means that having a bad leader in power , can be a disaster for an entire nation .
Putin is a bad leader. and by "bad" i don't mean evil , putin is more like a religious nice and friendly polite mentor , he is  manager but a leader he is not , as a leader putin is super incompetent ,super mediocre , is simply terrible and i will show you why.


True leadership ,means..

1)To have the ability to convince people , to follow them. to do what he says .
2) True leaders needs to project security and confidence , need to inspire everyone under him
and society to be better every day.
3)  True leaders are supposed to be motivators , they are supposed to be highly energetic ,like Trump for example , not to fake , but to genuinely show they believe what they say ,that are powerful and strong and know what they do it.. they can't show insecurity and weakness as putin's does all the time.  Putin can't even speak with authority , he needs to read all from his notes and head looking downward. this is bad.

How can putin motivates his military and his nation , if he himself calls america and "amazing  powerful nation" .?

he is not supposed to do that , not even if it was true and everyone under him ,every governor ,every citizen , NEEDS TO BE MOTIVATED every day.. putin needs to stop complaining about the west , stop crying about other nations ,that he choose to follow their system.. see the contradiction?  

Russia byte the dust ,and is always humiliated because for 21 years putin have been following a system in the west that is unfair and will never be their friend.. so putin when he came to power ,
he had to be realistic , that no amount of orthodox prayers ,no ammount of politeness will convince the west to stop trying break russia in a million of parts. Complaining and complaining only show weakness,  Leaders that are successful in life are people who have no time to complain and whenever they fail ,to keep going and don't give up , but don't complain.   If he complains what he is doing is sending a message to everyone that he is incapable and incompetent and can't handle the west ,and so need to complain ,is an act of desperation , of hoping that by crying a little ,the west will punish
russia less.

is the opposite , whenever putin shows weakness ,that motivates the west to disrespect more russia and slap putin on his face because they know ,he is weak and soft and polite and will do nothing.
 
Someone have to explain putin ,that you don't earn friends or create good relations ...
"by asking politely for it".   Good relations are created without asking ,it just happens naturally ,when both sides are similar in interest ,the relationships happens.

if putin was a true leader , a confident person ,that feels powerful and speak with authority ,
he will attract others true leaders into his experience that could help him ,to manage russia and not have him to micromanage every little thing of every citizen in russia.. when leadership fails , presidents needs to micromanage all. and corruption and desertion never stop.

all people can be influenced ,who ever they are , whether good or bad ,everyone can be influenced
and nothing is more influential on people ,that anyone who is strong ,and confident and knows what it wants ,who have a vision for the future and that speak with authority and not afraid of rejection or afraid of anything ,they simply confident that they will be successful and so they achieve it.

you will notice true leaders , instantly ,because they are more energetic than the average population ,talk with security ,confidence ,authority ,and not like a weak person as putin do it ,softly and looking downwards ,and can talk for hours from their mind and not from notes and everyone listen them .  

however leadership (influence skills) alone is not the only important thing , Russia also needs a leader that understand their enemies , and how they have been building their empire. and i know it..  
is called business leadership.. and in the things that most influence society all over the world.

So any good president of russia needs to fully and clearly understand this.. Leadership is everything.
period. if you want a nation to follow you or someone else , you need leadership skills , that is to be a
self confident ,charismatic , dominating person ,that project power and knowledge and to know exactly where the future of the nation should be.  If you want to avoid a war ,it can be done with leadership , and if you can't influence america , because lets say is controlled by demons , then influence their allies and disband nato..   and this can be done ,china is already doing this.
china today have far away more influence over europe and latin america than russia. thanks to their business leadership. Even under the stigma of communism ,that everyone fears , thanks to media propaganda in the west , china was able to bypass trump sanctions on its business ,because europe and latin america refused to abandon so amazing business that china have to offer.   russia in the other hand ,the only thing have to offer is gas discounts and limited military assistance.  


Leaders are motivators , that motivates people and an entire nation to become better persons every day , leaders provide guidance where to go , they also need to recruit people with true leadership skills , so is not surprising putin's fails at recruiting leaders ,if he is not a true leader himself.
and best leaders are the ones who understand the problems , in russia case their enemies and understand how to counter them.. but putin don't understand how to counter their western partners.
all he does is build better bombs ,allow west to dominate in most influential business ,high tech and space and later complain ,how unfair is the system , that nobody force him to follow but he does ,because he have been so lame and lazy to develop russia ,that his development of the country ,have made it highly dependent on the west for its own future looking development.

This also gives rise to the more extremists in the country. Putin has lost popularity among the more nationalist groups whom are growing in numbers (way more than libtards) and this has to do with people within Russia see their government isn't being assertive as much as they believe should be.

The west took Putins words for integration with the west as being a sign of weakness and thought they held all the cards and could do as they please... if Zhirinovsky was in charge his rashness and crudeness might be more popular amongst nationalists but we can see what it has done to the Ukraine.

The west has decided that Russia is an enemy and when they attack and Putin defends in a way that makes the west weaker and Russia stronger the west treats it like it was Russian aggression and they need to negotiate from a position of strength if they want to prevail... and the problem with their sanctions was not that they were stupid and self defeating, but that they weren't quite hard enough so the next round of sanctions will do the trick.

Not surprisingly they have made EU fan Putin into someone who realises Russia needs to look elsewhere if it does not want a future as part of the US Borg Collective that has already assimilated the EU almost entirely.

Ironically the UK left, not because of the US control but because the lack of democracy from Brussels...  the UK of course happy to be Washingtons bitch.

@Vann....

Blah blah blah... Putin is the problem... the EU is perfect, the US is perfect, Navalny is perfect... only problem in the world is Putin...

Amazing logic BTW... if president is incompetent then everyone below him is too... kinda sad news for Germany and France and the UK and US and Spain and most other countries on the planet really... ironically except for Russia... and I can tell you why.

If Putin was incompetent and corrupt he would be Yeltsin and he would be the best president Russia ever had... in the eyes of the west.

The fact that the west hates him so much and so often tells me he is doing a great job... better than it is obvious to everyone that he is doing.

The point is as simple as that - you can not have 1 single person control every administrative process in a country.
Damn, you can not have a single person control every aspect of a small 25 person company- thats why you have HR department, financial department, marketing department and so on and so forth. And even if it was somehow physically possible it would not be efficient.


As I said I think this was cheap PR. If it wasnt, then things are much, much worse. It would mean that after so much time in power Putin was not able to create a capable team arround him that would be able to take care of these issues instead of him, or at least be able to creat administrations that would take care of this stuff instead of Putin.
It is as simple as that.
And I really dont care if west is worse, or has worst corruption, or worse leaders. Because this kind of arguments are silly most suitable to kindergarten aged kids.

And in the end of the day you guys (with very few exceptions) are writing all this Russian Strong posts, from your cosy houses in the rotten west. I mean, c´mon be consistent, stop suffering the abuse there and move to great Russia to live your life happy and carefree

here is an example of how putin talk on his speeches.,he can't even say anything
unless he reads it from notes and so boring and uninspiring , he lacks of energy ,means
he is insecure , and not convinced that he can do a difference with his speech. look
how putin barely move his hands and all he is doing reading a note .  
putin don't understand leadership    this is a BIG DEAL because this is one of his most important
job ,to motivate ,to convince the world to avoid the western hegemony that is destroying the world.

vladimir putin speech  (sorry people , putin is not a true leader.. not a true influential man ,
he is terrible as a leader and his ignorance on how to deal with the west makes him very bad for russia. americans don't fear putin , this is why he is disrespected so much .and russia military attacked ,because the west knows putin is weak and will do nothing.  




now lets look at nikita krushev the huge difference versus putin , you will notice a leader emotions from a mile ,  this are people truly convinced in what they say , people passionate. look
nikita krushev was a true leader , you will see his emotions from a mile , look at his fist ,how he
move them to speak.. this is a genuine passionate person ,who loved his nation and defended it.
this is very very important , probably the most important duty of any president [to motivate society]
to be strong (and not weak) to be fearless and to follow his lead and to stand firm in defense of their nation.

nikita krushev speech  A true leader . look how powerful he behaves. a fearless man.  
look how he punch his desk at united nations . Americans feared him a lot ,
why he was highly respected ,and they will have never dare to do anything to what they
do on putin , fire missiles at a russian base. They only do it because they see weakness
and insecurity on putin , but they will never do that on a nation with a strong hard liner leader.
You rather avoid a fight with strong leaders in very capable nations to cause damage ,
that are not afraid of a fight.  



Unfortunately , strong leadership skilled people , can go in the negative direction too ,
can be destructive for his nation and society. When true leaders ,lack of empathy and are rascist they can be disastrous for their nation. but noneless nobody can't deny adolf hitler had amazing leadership skills , he lead a nation to try the impossible , to try to conquer the entire world . the point of showing this video is to show of the power of leadership , something that russia needs ,to get
everyone in the same boat and follow their government. look how hitler was passionate on his
discourses.. how he move his fist. he was a master speaker.

i don't know what hitler i saying but observe his body language and how he move his fist , he was
convinced in the things he was saying. even when he was wrong ,he did his what he wanted , thanks
to his leadership skills. not many people will risk their lives , and start a war with the entire world ,unless they were inspired by their leader to do it.

adolf hitler [speech] leadership in action.  (another amazing leader ,in convincing his people to do what he wanted. Unfortunately he lead them in a destructive direction instead of a constructive one ,and his germany society did followed him ,to their own destruction )



Another example of a passionate true leaders..
lets look at pedro albizu campos..a latin american anti american empire evangelist , he was a true
leader and very passionate and very intellectual too ,he never used notes like putin ,he was never
boring to listen like putin .he was a warrior.. but lets look an example of his speeches.. with english translations.

another fidel castro , was the biggest pain to the US empire before
fidel castro was popular. Look how true leaders talk.

pedro albizu campos ... [speech] this is our land and we should rule here and not any empire.


Russia needs a true leader as president with the leadership skills of nikita krushev ,but as  wise as the president of china Xi Jinping ,that truly understand in which direction the nation economy needs to be developed ,towards direct competition to american empire most influential business in the world.

If you don't have the right leadership in place , the nation competitiveness and productivity will seriously suffer ,and if that leader is not very wise and smart , the development of the nation will be wasted for nothing. and will not develop the country in the ideal way to deal with adversary nations.
If Russia had a strong passionate leader ,with a clear vision of the future , you will see massive migration of people from all over the world ,specially from the west , bringing engineers and scientist
to russia .  and even better ,will have long lines of nations seeking to join Russia federation. a visionary leader of russia for example could see latin america as a highly potential continent for the continuation of Russia. , and create south america federation of russia , russia will benefit enormously with better climate and needs more population and south america is the solution for that . i will seriously consider a full integration with south american continent if europe reject any union.
That will only add more troubles for US .because russia will have nuclear armed submarines bases in their own back yard and very close to them. if it is fair for them to be in norway ,then it will be fair for russia to be in south american with submarines too.  

true leaders attract true followers , is as simple as that. Everyone likes to follow ,those that are leaders and knows what they need .

Cheap PR?

Seems to have gotten your and Vanns panties in a bunch.

If he is a dictator and fakes elections why would he care about PR... PR only matters when you can't dictate who gets voted in...

Ironic that you think being lied to by his ministers is not important and that it is not his job to care about the russian people... except it is his job to manage the managers and make sure they are not bullshitting him.

I agree that in the west people don't do this... if you have a real genuine problem that is government related you can't talk to your president or Prime minister... normally the solution involves making it look like an accident or suicide.

GarryB wrote:Cheap  PR?

Seems to have gotten your and Vanns panties in a bunch.

If he is a dictator and fakes elections why would he care about PR... PR only matters when you can't dictate who gets voted in...

Ironic that you think being lied to by his ministers is not important and that it is not his job to care about the russian people... except it is his job to manage the managers and make sure they are not bullshitting him.

I agree that in the west people don't do this... if you have a real genuine problem that is government related you can't talk to your president or Prime minister... normally the solution involves making it look like an accident or suicide.  

This have nothing to do with public relations .  

This is about Convincing   society to follow you as a president ,to trust on you ,to which ever plans you have ,to work with you ,to unite your nation behind you , to strenghen your nation capabilities to face any sanctions ,any economic problems or even any war. Having a true nation leadership significantly boost the nation productivity and its economy . why will you call leadership/influence a bad thing ? If you lose leadership/population support as putin is slowly is doing ,and all his fault , at a steady pace, that now his own party losing cities and republics in russia to the liberals , then you as a president of any nation risk being overthrow in a coup by the west. The colors revolutions that happened in ukraine and georgia and belarus , could happen in Russia too , all that it takes is that the west manage to significantly damage the russian economy and sanction it to death , on top of force russia to interfere in many other conflicits after syria and ukraine and armenia ,to kill thousands of soldiers ,humiliate its military ,demoralze its military and russian population and that will provoke endless protest for putin to resign.  

remember garryb.. that russia have been destroyed from the inside already 2 times.. and in both times it was the west who did it.  

1)during the bolshevick revolution , even RT media reported how britain , gave transportation to Lenin , and financed and trained thousands of protesters to overthrow the government .they forced nicholas to resign and destroyed the russian empire system.
2) during the soviet union collapse , same thing ,the west used their embassies and ngos to bring down the soviet union ,encouraging people to protest the system ,something they will have done for free for the serious economic problems.


Having a strong leadership is not guarantee that a nation will never face major problems ,sanctions or a war , but it will guarantee that people will stand with you in the most difficult times ,no matter what happens. What ruins russia development is putin lack of leadership/influence/charisma/streght  and to make things even worse , putin neither have a vision for the future , he is happy with just being a saudi arabia of europe , living a lazy economic model  and to continue being in a western system ,that was designed to break russia in a million of pieces.   Putin not even in a million of years in power will have success with such mediocre economic model ,he have build for russia. That does not challenge in any way ,does who have declared war on their nation. this is total retarded idiocy , what putin is doing with russia ,to just stand there , taking hits in syria , in ukraine , in armenia and then venezuela and so on , as putin is doing , standing there ,just defensive but never fighting back ,the west will see how weak he is , how scared they are ,to fight and will only take advantage of his cowardice and advantage too of how outdated putin is.. that still today he have the crazy belief , that he can influence with weakness and politeness ,people who wants only the blood of russia.  

In summary if you don't have the support of society , russia will collapse is as simple as that ,
and their support and loyalty will end as soon they face economic major difficulties in their lives and they lose hope in their president. This is why is so important ,why ignorant calls "cheap PR" ,because
even if that was the case ,that he was lying/or not, it will not matter if in the end get people supporting you for years and decades . Chavism movement in venezuela ,will have been overthrow already if it wasn't for the leadership skills of chaves and maduro . and putin will not last a month in power ,from the 20 years chavism resisted in power, if russia was facing the economic problems of venezuela.

[u]Leadership is what makes the biggest different ,to convince society to follow you and stand with you , whether is cheap or expensive ,true or lies is totally irrelevant , society will follow you or crucify you ,regardless if what you call "cheap PR"  is true or not .   it was "cheap pr" what allowed hitler
to save his nation from western sanction and rescue his economy through socialism , and it was this same "cheappr" what allowed germany military to become the most powerful military force in the world , so you can't deny ,the benefit , the power of influencing people.

but like i said , influence is half of the game , the other half is to have wisdom ,to fully understand the problems your nation face ,the source of them .. and device a plan to counter it , and not ignore it ,
which is what putin is doing . " lets ignore the west is at war with us " says putin.. and lets pretend they are our friends . and lets continue being polite with those who want to kill us and expect to sweeten their hearts ,so they becomes our friends.     And lets ignore how US is using their modern and innovative business that society love ,as a powerful tool , and allow the west to continue dominating and influencing the world with their business.

and while you continue trolling and defending putin ,russia continue sinking , and if population decrease is not an alarm for you ,then no idea what will be alarming , because this is the worse kind of news any nation seeking to prosper can get. that a mass exodus of civilians from their country and they are young generations the ones leaving for better life.

This are the real polls about public opinion , population leaving their country is the biggest
sign of putin's failure as a president , to save russia from the sanctions war of the west.

Russian population slump of 1.2m people ‘haunts’ Vladimir Putin

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-population-slump-of-1-2m-people-haunts-vladimir-putin-z8802dnll

Russia's population decline accelerated in 2020, losing 500,000 residents amid Covid deaths, falling birth rate & less immigration

https://www.rt.com/russia/513946-population-decline-accelerated-residents/

Russia’s population decline accelerated in 2020
https://www.companynewshq.com/coronavirus-news/russias-population-decline-accelerated-in-2020-losing-500000-residents-amid-covid-deaths-falling-birth-rate-less-immigration/

The west will see this news correctly as what it is .. a clear victory for the west ,and proof ,beyond the stupidity promoted in this forums ,that as a matter of fact ,the western sanctions are working ,in bleeding russia, half a million people leaving the country is not a small event, they are destroying the quality of life of russians , and this will only get worse and worse ,the more putin stay in power , his popularity is decreasing ,and will only go down further , because like i said putin don't have leadership ,and as a manager he is ,he is also losing influence at a very fast pace with its own people ,and to make everything even worse ,he have zero strategy to reverse this problems russia face ,that he is the only one to blame and no one else , because he is the one who decide the direction of russia development ,thanks to his reliance so much in gas stations ,have made russia very vulnerable to any oil prices war. .  

"Cheap PR" as you call it , what development nations call leadership ,can make the difference between total life and death ,between total failure or major success in any conflict or war against another country . A president ,that demoralize constantly his population ,and military ,that worship other nations as "superior to russia" as "the only super power" , as he told ,what he is showing is weakness ,trying to influence the west with nice words and politeness BS . The west will have nuked russia already in a false flag event ,if russia had no nuclear weapons . Russia lack of leadership and lack of president with ambitions is what is holding Russia back , and things will never improve if putin continue in power ,doing exactly the same things he have been doing in the past 20 years. NOTHING to directly challenge the western system ,to create an alternative to the west . fortunately we have china that is the only nation fight back the west , but this is so lame that putin is holding back his nation for pure stupidity and backwards thinking. by surrounding with yes man , putin will never understand his mistakes ,that him , only putin ,is the only one to blame for all the big problems russia face From nato to civil unrest to exodus of russians ,because he have plenty of ways to stop them ,but do nothing . and the reason for this is because all russia problems ,can be solved with leadership and with clear understanding of how Russian enemies are influencing the world against Russia. If he had any observations skills ,he will notice his neighbors china , what they doing and will change their economy completely , into an alliance with china to counter The western anglo business world ,to offer an alternative to them. So nations no longer need to fear US sanctions or bullying if a superior business world is created to the west.

the times uk...  was the American Nazi party not available for comment?

Was ISIS busy?

Look carefully at your sources of information and tell me you are worried about the Russian people and care about their future... because no British Newspaper does... not a single one.

And your reading comprehension skills need some work I was responding to someone else saying it was just PR.

I think it is revolutionary for the leader of a country to sit down and talk to not just reporters but his own people and listen to what they have to say and answer their questions and I think they appreciate it too.

How else was he supposed to learn the numbers he is getting is wrong in at least one case?

He didn't hear from Russias entire population but some had their say and asked questions... better than remaining in his ivory tower like politicians of the west.

GarryB wrote:the times uk...  was the American Nazi party not available for comment?

Was ISIS busy?

Look carefully at your sources of information and tell me you are worried about the Russian people and care about their future... because no British Newspaper does... not a single one.

And your reading comprehension skills need some work I was responding to someone else saying it was just PR.

I think it is revolutionary for the leader of a country to sit down and talk to not just reporters but his own people and listen to what they have to say and answer their questions and I think they appreciate it too.

How else was he supposed to learn the numbers he is getting is wrong in at least one case?  

He didn't hear from Russias entire population but some had their say and asked questions... better than remaining in his ivory tower like politicians of the west.

I don't know why people just don't ignore the trolls.

Debunking them is a prime value of this forum. But after a certain stage it is a case of feeding the trolls.

If you ignore them and don't challenge them when they are wrong then they start to infect the thoughts of those who don't know any better.

Talk to any US democrat and they are certain putin personally interfered to stop Hilary getting elected, because anyone says any different and they stop listening...

They are a democrat and they are american they have decided that anyone who does not agree with them supports Trump and therefore is a Russian Agent and hates America... it means nothing that that would mean half Americans are Putins agents...

You are not allowed to reason for yourself and think for yourself the other side is wrong... if they said the sky was blue they are wrong...

It is us and them... ironically they celebrate the republicans that broke republican ranks and voted against Trump... something they would not tolerate... any democrats vote for Trump on anything and they will probably lose their citizenship and be deported...

It is also time consuming so I don't bother responding to everything Vann says... I just hope anyone that is interested in the truth will just take the time to recognise that the western media projects... every bad thing the west does is what they accuse Putin and Russia of doing... meddling in the democracy of other countries... having huge offshore accounts with stolen money... just look at what they have done in most countries around the world including Russia with the criticisms of Putin... find a video of Putin telling Americans which candidate to vote for, or British or French or German people which candidate to vote for... you wont find it because he respects western countries and does not tell the voting western public who they should be voting for. Now try the reverse... western politicians regarding Russian or Ukrainian or Venezuelan or Iranian or Iraqi or Hatian or Cuban or North Korean or any other country and they will tell you who those people should be voting for... but Putin is the bad guy that murders his enemies like the US does with murder bots and suicides in locked prison cells... and lures reporters to embassies to chop them up, or Iranian generals lured to peace talks and killed along with Iraqi allies around him...

Why does anyone listen to morality lectures by the west anymore?

They are in charge... they control international organisations... if they are so wonderful and pure why is everything so much more fucked up than usual.... we were told the problems were created because the commies are against us and they are so powerful and insidious... well Russia became a third world gas station that doesn't make anything... the west has had plenty of time to fix everything and make things better and instead they have been changing rules and laws around the place so they can still pump poisons into the sky and the water and the land and make enormous profits and now it is Putins fault... because he managed to turn Russia around from zero to a direction the west wants to be heading... it is western sanctions that are stopping Russia from being much more successful, but that is only because Putin has been pinning Russian growth and development on cooperation and partnership with the west... now he gets it... it is not a democrat or a republican thing it is a western thing... they wont share power and will always try to crush any alternative or rival.... China has worked out the same I think because they are smart and hopefully India will get it too and they can all realise that if they want to grow and develop they need to do it without western help because they wont get it anyway. They need to help each other and from within themselves... and if the west does not destroy everyone it might cut its pathetic dependency on Washington and the US and the UK and the EU might realise they can make their own independent decisions that benefit their own people and stop being washingtons bitch and Microsofts bitch and Facebooks bitch and Amazons bitch and start being democratic governments interested in making life better for ALL of THEIR citizens and not just the 1% who often come from other countries anyway.

kvs wrote:Debunking them is a prime value of this forum.   But after a certain stage it is a case of feeding the trolls.  

You can continue to blindly defend one of the most incompetent and mediocre and disastrous President
that Russia had on the past 100 years , but the evidence is there , i post evidence , links ,documentation , not just words ,to backup my claims. Russia face the very dangerous life threatening
problems it face ,because of how mediocre and stupid and moron is his president. like i said in the past , i could write a book of 500 pages of examples of why putin is a fucking idiot.

take a look for example at RT.com..  a Russian government media ,that part of Russia budget goes to finance it and paid its journalist.

incredible but true ,one of the last report of RT.com about asian politics ,  they interview a north korean defector trolls, that not only trash talk about North Korea , (which is rightly deserved) ,but
also trash talk CHINA too that is the most important ally Russia  have to survive the western hot economic and political and military proxy war .    But the defector went as far ,as to defend
Britain as a nation with FREEDOM and Democracy , and that british people should not complain the government but to join them to make it better.  

What kind of bullshit is this ?

Now RT reports being used to attack Russia own allies and defend british totalitarian regime ?  

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/519323-korean-defector-uk-election/

I also have seen reports in RT attacking venezuela and syria ,also allies of Russia, accusing the victims of  the anglozionist terrorist empires of being guilty of the misery the west created in their lives with either terrorism and sanctions or both. making it looks is their fault and not anglozionist west doing.  

Supporting and sponsoring fucking idiots and incompetent president will not help Russia to solve their
existential problems.  If people applaud incompetence and mediocre leaders , that people are promoting ,mediocre governments to continue in power , destroying Russia from the inside.
The biggest national security threat Russia face is his own super stupid ,super incompetent President.

This is not saying ,that Russia had far far worse presidents, in the past. Gorvashev and Lenin for example ,they indeed will take that title.  and Nicholas 2 , was bad ,but at least he knew he sucked ,and he resigned , but Putin don't resign ,he stays in power forever ,and he is likely unaware of how incompetent he is , for pure ignorance from his part.  Being weak , being stupid , showing insecurity ,and to make things worse show politeness to those who are very hostile to their nation ,is extremely irresponsible and dangerous , is an invitation to hit Russia more ,to target more their military , and to
aid more terrorism and provoke more wars in russian borders , to force Russia interfere there ,causing them losing soldiers and spend a lot more money from their budget , in defending other nations.

Putin is a terrible President ,and the last thing that moron needs , is start using their media ,to attack China and praise the totalitarian terrorist regime of britain as a "democracy" or "Free nation" . if the defector of north korea ,knew britain is right now on an ethnic cleansing long term campaign of their population with killer vaccines , she will not be defending britain at all and will think a bit differently
even of their own government.  Not necessesarily defending their north korean totalitarian government ,but at very least understanding that the problems north korea face , are to a big part
influenced by the "democracies" that she is now praising and endorsing and putin's funded media promoting.  

So go ahead and defend Putin again ,and explain why now Russian media attacking china and promoting britain as a "Democracy with freedom of expression"?   this is the most retarded thing i have ever heard , wikileaks Julian assand apparently don't exist ,neither tommy robinson ,and many other activist who also have been jailed for exposing the british regime.

Putin allows its enemies , to grow ,to spread , to multiply and even use their own territory , incite civil unrest , why Russia needs embassies of nations that are enemies ,and will never be their friend or even get along ever ?

There is a serious problem with the Putin's autocratic system ,and is a problem of extreme incompetence, and being extremely outdated in how to modernize their economy ,its culture and its relations.

Einstein once told..

"“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”  

He surrounds with YES man , just like north korean dictators ,and this cause them to be unaware
of their mistakes in running their country, And this apply to Putin , as long that idiot ,believe ,he can influence the west with bullshit politeness and weakness and by praising his enemies as "super powerful" or "most powerful nation in the world" ,as putin praised the west , as long he continues , trying to influence the west with weakness , the west will continue to slap Russia in the face and increment their stab a dagger the next time in their back , as now they doing , attacking russia with biological weapons ,which is what covid19 is today.


What would you think of a friend , that encourage you to fight your neighbors ,telling you , no worries ,we will stand with you and fight at your side , but then you follow his advice ,and you get beaten by them ,and no friend around anywhere to help. If putin was not so stupid ,a fucking moron.
and he did cared about saving lives ,saving nations , that idiot will stay away from having any kind of relation with any country they are not ready to defend if face problems , because any country in the world ,that choose to align with russia ,will be put in the hit list ,and will be destroyed. What Putin's Russia is doing is highly irresponsible , making it look ,that they will stand with their allies ,but later leave them own their own ,fighting their enemies. He did not came to syria aid for 4 years ,until damascus was about to fall .   and today , venezuela not even have diesel and they are suffering a total economic embargo from america that is destroying their economy and putin not even blink an eye for their misery , full knowing ,that venezuela is attacked for only one reason ,for choosing an alliance with Russia and china ,instead of US. What putin is doing is criminal , he using the world ,any foolish country , that choose to follow Putin request for an anti anglo empires alliance , as a meath shield . And later he provide less than the minimum so they don't starve of food and nothing else.

So this is how the "master chess player" Putin's the master of idiots , plans to help his country , by allowing its media RT.com  to trash talk from time to time ,china and praise the democracy and freedom of the west. .    

When the british intel operations manage to infiltrate in Russia own media ,to trash talk russia own most important allies , and geographical neighbors important for russia and at the same time can promote the west as a democracy and a freedom loving nation.  Then you know how retarded is the russian monkey government.

China for national security reasons the last thing they want is annoy a nuclear power like North korea and that they ally with the anglozionist west. that's why they need to avoid any kind of political move that could be seen negatively by NK ,and so deport all defectors back to their country. Will be not good ,that the anglozionist powers use any day a nation with nukes on their borders as a meat shield ,this is why they don't want north korea to denuclearize and sabotage trump attempts to solve the north korea problem , for the pentagon is more useful a very limited nuclear north korea
,than a very prosperous denuclearized one ,with good relations with china and south korea .

So far this is a good move by british intelligence ,they are very smart in the other hand Russia is run by stupid idiots , this is not an opinion but facts and vladimir putin is the master fool . An this is one example of the hundreds that exist , that will show you why Russia government sucks big time ,why they fail so much in defending their interest in the world . British government knows their media propaganda no longer works ,so now they using Putin's media to do the job .  

And the north korean defector is right , when she says , that the "democratic" west is better than north korea , that's for sure true ,as long she and her family is not part of anglo west kill list with their depopulation vaccines.  If she had any brains , she will have moved to south korea instead of the fake democratic west. because so far South korea is fully supporting sputnik V vaccine and will be producing it. So no mass depopulation plans there.

I also have seen reports in RT attacking venezuela and syria ,also allies of Russia,

Defending an ally no matter what is stupid.

If your best friend got addicted to crack cocaine and started robbing people to pay for his habit would you go with him and help him break in to old peoples houses and help him carry off their stuff to sell so he can get more product?

Will you give him an alibi when the police come and ask where you and he were last night?

Is that really helping your friend?

If your friend starts taking illegal drugs the first thing you should do is give them a damn good thrashing, and simply say if you catch them taking the drug again you will ruin their lives by reporting them to the police after you give them another hiding... that is what a good friend would do.

They will hate you, but if they survive they will learn to appreciate what you did for them.

Russia should never be like the west, who demonises opponents and allows friends to get away with murder... like Saudi Arabia...

Russia should trade with allies but also trade with enemies like the EU. Obviously relations will be different with Syria than they can be with Poland... but remember it was the Ukraine and the Baltic states that cut Russia out of their economies and blocked trade with Russia, to which Russia responded by looking elsewhere for trade and ports and products.

Russia does not judge other countries... that is the west.

Russia responds to sanctions with its own sanctions but it does not initiate sanctions... Russian sanctions are in response and are reciprocal... they are never unilateral.

GarryB wrote:

I also have seen reports in RT attacking venezuela and syria ,also allies of Russia,

Defending an ally no matter what is stupid.

If your best friend got addicted to crack cocaine and started robbing people to pay for his habit would you go with him and help him break in to old peoples houses and help him carry off their stuff to sell so he can get more product?

What the fuck you are talking about ?

Venezuela don't traffic drugs , Syria neither , their governments are not criminal people . They are brutally attacked  for the only reason of trusting in putin's calls for nations to join their orbit , for trusting that Russia was going to help them in case they face problems. This is not soros backed governments but people who were loyal to putin and he betrayed them, by ignoring their crisis and leaving them alone on their own when being attacked by US.

Two major ships with gasoline ,were stolen by american pirates , that is the US navy than under putin's noses , stole them away from venezuela ,and Russia did not even provided security to those ships , to help venezuela with their energy crisis , that is under attack by US.    

Don't make excuses for such horrible and incompetent president . If Putin request nations to join his orbit ,to become their closest allies , to help their military with a refueling station in their country , the very least they can do is protect them.  Putin not even helped their allies in eastern ukraine ,that were fighting the ukro nazis. allowed the west to assassinate the leaders of donetsk ,and also their top military commanders too ,by uk spy agencies.  what is the message that putin's sends the world?
that you are doomed if you dare to make an alliance with Russia. that putin the weak ,the incompetent will not be able to help your nation ,if later americans start attacking their nation.

so if you have a friend , and they follow you because they trusted in you ,you stand by them . you don't abandon them.. period.  Putin is leaving venezuela to their own luck , and not a single bottle of gasoline or diesel have been sent by putin to venezuela. what putin is doing is criminal ,is using nations for their own benefits and leaving them alone when they are attacked later. like i said ,putin even abandoned the pro russian fighters in eastern ukraine , did not provided protection to their governments ,allows civilians ,women and children to be bombed day and night and killed by the ukronazis with impunity in their own borders. Are you going to accuse donetsk and lugansk also of being drug addicts? their only crime was to believe that they can count in that idiot president that russia have . Is obvious russia is not anywhere close to a super power , but putin's needs to stop behaving as if it was one , and stop lecturing nations of the right thing to do ,if he is not a man ,with balls, that will dare to challenge the american system with something more than words.

look this , almost every week or month putin's calls for nations to help him counter Russia enemies .

Putin calls on nations across world to create new ‘legally binding’ global cyberspace treaty, as hack attack row with US escalates
https://www.rt.com/russia/519495-putin-global-cyberspace-treaty/

putin need to stop ,asking for any kind of alliance with anyone , if he have no balls later to come in defense of those that choose to join russia orbit ,and counter US. Armenia learned that lesson in a very painful way , lost territory and not even russia honored their treaty ,when armenia terroritory was attacked , as it was , when their s-300s destroyed and governments buildings attacked, even russian pilots killed inside armenia territory and he did nothing.

putin is a disaster , as a leader , as a strategist , as a developer of anything . and rebuilding the military and preventing the nation from collapsing while is a good thing is not enough . Russia needs a new president ,that is not such incompetent and retarded as putin. because what putin is provoking in the world is a real world war 3 with nukes to happen , by showing weakness ,and insecurity , he encourage russia enemies to continue attacking them ,every time , with a much harder attack.

someone need to explain that idiot ,that as long russia follows the western system and don't challenge it ,neither with its military in a hot war , neither with business , that nothing will change and russia will continue to bleed to death , and his government popularity decrease as is doing.

This is why putin will never disband the american empire , not even in a million of years.
many europeans nations will like to join russia orbit ,but they know putin is weak and insecure
and that they can't take the risk to become a target of washington dc sanctions and terrorism ,because they will be on their own. if putin not even could help ukraine , that was right on his borders , when a pro russian president was in power and the west was overthrowing him , then no one will be safe , if dare to develop good relations with russia.

putin need to stop asking the world ,to help russia counter the anglozionist west ,if russia is not
capable to fully help later those nations.