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    Post  Austin Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:06 pm

    Russia's future PAK DA bomber to be delayed by Tu-160M2 production
    Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

    http://www.janes.com/article/53102/russia-s-future-pak-da-bomber-to-be-delayed-by-tu-160m2-production

    Russia's new-generation PAK DA bomber will be delayed past 2023 due to the development of the new-build Tupolev Tu-160M2 bomber, according to Russian deputy defence minister Yury Borisov.

    "According to the plans, serial production of the [Tu-160] aircraft new version [the Tu-160M2] is to be implemented starting from 2023," Borisov said during a visit on 17 July to the Samara-based Kuznetsov Plant of the United Engine Corporation.

    Answering a question about a possible shift in the PAK DA's timeframe because of the production of Tu-160M2s, Borisov said, "The PAK DA project will be somewhat shifted beyond [2023, when it is currently to begin entering service], otherwise there is no sense in it."

    The Tu-160M2's production programme timeline has been defined, Borisov said, with design assignment and negotiations for the first contracts with industry currently ongoing. Design work on the Tu-160M2 is scheduled to be completed by 2023. He added that the Russian Air Force (VVS) would get at least three batch-produced Tu-160M2 per year after 2023 and that the aircraft will be in service for at least 40 years.

    "We plan to install NK-32 series 2 [engines] on Tu-160M2. The motor has been upgraded, its main aggregates have become more cost-effective. Therefore, NK-32 series 2 has improved performance, and its range of flight will be increased by at least 1,000 km, compared with existing engines," Borisov said. JSC Kuznetsov will begin work on the NK-32 (Unit R) series 2 engines for the aircraft in 2017 and will produce 20-22 engines per year.

    Borisov also said that the VVS was looking to improve serviceability within Long-Range Aviation (LRA). "We have an intense plan to reach 80% serviceability of all LRA's aircraft by the end of the year. The solutions to all troubles/issues have been defined in accordance with State Defence Order (GOZ)-2015."

    Russia is also developing several new missiles for the Tu-160M2 and PAK DA, Borisov said. "They drastically change the aircrafts' combat performance. The missiles are to be installed on the PAK DA in the course of time. We are developing new missiles to be integrated on board all types of strategic bombers," he said.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:17 pm

    Does anyone happen to know why they decided to restart Tu-160 production? Pak Da seems more important due it it possibly replacing multiple of systems - Tu-22M and Tu_95.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:10 pm

    Yes, Janes knows what they are talking about.  Mad

    My guess for restarting Tu-160 production, is that the MOD wants to use them like a technology-base for the PAK-DA. The aircraft would make great platforms to test new missiles, avionics, and they will share the same engines etc.
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    Post  Austin Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:05 am

    sepheronx wrote:Does anyone happen to know why they decided to restart Tu-160 production? Pak Da seems more important due it it possibly replacing multiple of systems - Tu-22M and Tu_95.

    The upgraded Tu-22M3M wont last beyond 2030 so there wont be any bomber for European theater , Upgraded Tu-160 will take that role and will add to Tu-160 strength.

    I think the older Tu-160 must have used half of its service life and might itself need a replacement in next 15-20 years

    From a fan pov having Tu-160M2 and PAK-DA would be awesome Smile
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:48 am

    I would have thought that one objective in talking in public about future plans is to keep the pressure on the US until they commit to the Next Generation Bomber and tie up another few $10Billions that might be better spent elsewhere.

    Talking about a mach 2 bomber going back into production should not effect US decisions regarding bombers... it should stimulate discussion on what sort of aircraft they will need to intercept a mach 2 threat potentially carrying Mach 7-8 hypersonic cruise missiles... the F-22 wont cut it... and the F-35 will be rather worse... they haven't got the F-35 into service yet and it is already obsolete... they need a MiG-41 and fast. Pardon the pun.

    Regarding the next generation bomber they will need to look at the S-500 and S-400 and the IADS of Russia...

    Maybe perhaps someone in the MoD is having a strategic rethink and starting to join the dots surrounding the development of smaller, smarter, faster, longer range cruise missiles. Will there actually be a need any more than a few Tu-160s delivering long range missiles in 10 years time? By then something like an Il-76 configured as a missile truck could tip a pack of missiles out the back teamed with a long range stealth drone, say like a stealthier Global Hawk or even a stealth fighter, providing mid course and target guidance if necessary, that is if the missiles have not developed more advanced 'hunting pack' features, like sending out 'scouts', by then.

    In terms of volume the Il-476 or indeed An-124 could easily carry rather more than any strategic cruise missile carrier ever could carry, but the obvious problem is the current arms agreements means you would have to develop a dedicated aircraft that is identifiable by satellite to carry them and all the problems that would create... and the obvious problem that that makes all Russian civilian airliners and cargo aircraft a justifiable target for military attack.

    As a sneaky first strike option it is interesting, but would backfire over time... and they could do the same which just means a proliferation of cruise missiles... which makes defence harder for both sides...

    There is no need to follow the US as the strategic needs of the two countries are different. Russia does not need to project military power over the whole globe, that is bomb anywhere on earth with an 'earthquake' bomb, it just needs to defend itself and neutralise the threats that will, given its geography, be quite close.

    I agree for now, but I rather suspect that the production facilities that are created to build Tu-160M2s could also be used for the production of PAK DAs so the money is not wasted... and the increase in numbers of aircraft make upgrades to engines and avionics easier to justify as larger production numbers make each one cheaper... systems that can be further upgraded for PAK DA too.

    In many ways the Tu-160M2 is like the Su-35 to the PAK FA.

    In fact if they had 150 Tu-160s they could just work on upgrades and retire their Bears and Backfires and adapt their Blackjacks to a theatre role as well as a strategic one.

    As it is they will have a mixed force of Tu-160M2 and PAK DA... the latter will replace the Bears and Backfires.

    I call it the 'reverse Reagan' strategy forcing the US rather than Russia to spend more.

    Interesting strategy, but I personally don't like to see any country collapse economically... it is usually the poor and innocent that suffer the most, and it creates anarchy where for period the leadership could lash out and anyone to blame for their problems... people talk about fear of a Pakistani collapse of government because those nukes could fall into the wrong hands... what about US nukes if it collapses?

    Russia's future PAK DA bomber to be delayed by Tu-160M2 production

    The Blackjack is a good aircraft that still does what it is supposed to do... they just don't have enough of them.

    Their rotary launchers are huge and can take the Kh-101 and Kh-102 missiles easily, so other large missile types can be accommodated internally too which is good for low drag and low RCS.

    the Bears on the other hand carry most of their missile externally so large weapons are not a problem either but the extra drag is not that important for a subsonic aircraft.

    I rather suspect they want more time to develop the PAK DA to make it more capable, but if they make another 50 Tu-160M2s that means the PAK DA will replace the Bears and Backfires and will operate with the Blackjacks for some years to come.

    I rather suspect a lot of the systems including engines developed for the Tu-160M2 could be used in the PAK DA at least at first anyway to further reduce the cost of operating and maintaining them.

    As such as the Tu-160M2 production slows down production of the PAK DA can start in the same factory.

    I think 50 Tu 160 + 400 Su 34 better

    150 to much

    I suspect 50 Tu-160M2s would be enough to make a viable force, and when they are built the PAK DA can start production to replace the Tu-22M3M and Tu-95SM16 in the theatre and strategic roles.

    Perhaps 100-150 PAK DA depending on their load capacity and cost, plus the 65 odd Tu-160M/2 fully upgraded aircraft will provide an effective deterrence as well as a significant conventional attack force for world wide threats.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:09 am

    I think for a theatre bomber role they're better off creating a bomber variant of the MiG-41 they're working on.

    It won't have as much payload as the Tu-22M3, but hopefully impressive range, and very high speed.

    This would mean that less PAK-DAs would need to be constructed; while still taking advantage of economies of scale as the MiG-41 theatre bomber will have most things in common with the MiG-41 interceptor and can be produced in the same factory.
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    Post  jhelb Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:39 am

    According to Tupolev the technical specifications are still being worked out

    Согласно дорожной карте по данному проекту в настоящее время идет системная работа по разработке технических заданий, заключению контрактов, привлечению исполнителей по кооперации и т.д

    http://vpk-news.ru/news/26248

    This means there is a possibility that LO features will be incorporated
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:40 am

    I think for a theatre bomber role they're better off creating a bomber variant of the MiG-41 they're working on.

    It won't have as much payload as the Tu-22M3, but hopefully impressive range, and very high speed.

    I suppose with modern weapons it wouldn't need an enormous payload... but I would think a big payload and longer range would be the two more important criteria... speed is not so critical... if the target is well defended then a hypersonic standoff weapon makes rather more sense than sending a bomber into the danger area.

    For an interceptor like the MiG-41 the key features will be speed and range, but for a theatre bomber the important features are different IMHO.

    This would mean that less PAK-DAs would need to be constructed; while still taking advantage of economies of scale as the MiG-41 theatre bomber will have most things in common with the MiG-41 interceptor and can be produced in the same factory.

    Actually I would be looking at ways of creating other variants of the PAK DA in less stealthy models... for a start an inflight refuelling model would be easy to make because inherently a long range strategic bomber has plenty of onboard fuel, and of course swapping a lot of that extra fuel and replacing it with payload means theatre bomber with large payload and theatre range is easy too. An AWACS with wing mounted radar arrays, and a JSTARS type aircraft would also be interesting.

    Also an MPA would be interesting too...
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:11 am

    In addition to a new engine, Russia’s elite Tupolev Tu-160M2 strategic bomber (“White Swan”) is capable of carrying cruise and nuclear missiles and will receive cutting-edge avionics, said Vladimir Mikheev, the adviser of the deputy head of Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern (RETC), according to Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

    The new avionics and electronic warfare system of the Tu-160, codenamed Blackjack by NATO military experts, will begin this year. Construction the of design materials and documentation of battle performance characteristics and technical specifications are currently underway, Mikheev informed. "There will be nothing left from the earlier version of Tu-160, only the platform. Much more advanced hardware will be installed on it," Mikheev said, as cited by Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

    The new avionics system is currently being tested on the Sukhoi PAK FA Tu-50, Russia's fifth-generation fighter. After that, military engineers will take best elements tested on the Tu-50 and use them to create an aircraft with fundamentally new capabilities, the official representative of RETC said. The new strategic bomber will also be equipped with an advanced radio-electronic system, highly effective against anti-aircraft missiles.

    The revival of the production of this bomber was announced by the Russian Defense Minister in April 2015. The Tu-160M2's advanced equipment will make it possible to increase its effectiveness by more than two-fold as compared to the old version.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150729/1025169545.html#ixzz3hHWl7bQy
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:36 am

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179366919.html


    Commander: Air-Space Forces RF receive first modernized Tu-160 in 2021

    11:58 08/12/2015 (Updated: 12:25 08/12/2015 ) 1168 January 15
    VKS Commander Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev said that after the modernization of the Tu-160 will be able to solve any problems that would be put in front of him.


    MOSCOW, August 12 - RIA Novosti. Aerospace Forces (VKS) will receive the first upgraded Russian strategic bomber Tu-160 in 2021, said Wednesday the commander videoconferencing Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.

    "The Russian President and the Minister of Defense decided to restore the production of the Tu-160 with all the developments that are on the program of modernization of the aircraft, and in 2021, I think we will get a brand new aircraft," - said Bondarev.

    He added that after the modernization of the Tu-160 will be able to solve any problems that would put the country's leadership.
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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:19 am

    KRET: Tu-160M2 can get a "glass cockpit"
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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:16 pm

    Tupolev: сosts of resuming production of Tu-160 bomber to be determined by yearend
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:27 pm

    A couple of nice pictures of Tu-160s cruising off Scotland yesterday. They really do look good.

    http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/11/tu-160s-intercepted-by-typhoons/
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    Post  ult Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:28 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:38 pm

    ult wrote:
    Bit meaningless without any explanation.
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    Post  ult Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:10 pm

    It's in the video description.

    Published on Oct 30, 2015 Tu160 bomber launches cruise missile during the scheduled training of Russian Armed Forces' control system. wrote:

    The video is self-explanatory though.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:06 pm

    ult wrote:It's in the video description.



    The video is self-explanatory though.
    Thanks, I just watched it here without going to Youtube so didn't see that.
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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:59 am

    Start cruise missiles with the Tu-160 on the territory of Iran

    In a video released on the Internet, there is footage of the bomb bay of Tu-160.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1585491.html
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:33 pm

    So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:47 pm

    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  
    By the other direct to/from runs on the Eastern route they showed the 'short' way to do the trip.

    This trip was not needed nor no accident. By running it, the RuAF certainly made the point pretty emphatically that the US is not the only one with a fully operational long range strategic bomber force.

    There must be a few analysts in the Pentagon now having to change their view as to the operational effectiveness of the Tu-160 and even the venerable Tu-95.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  
    By the other direct to/from runs on the Eastern route they showed the 'short' way to do the trip.

    This trip was not needed nor no accident. By running it, the RuAF certainly made the point pretty emphatically that the US is not the only one with a fully operational long range strategic bomber force.

    There must be a few analysts in the Pentagon now having to change their view as to the operational effectiveness of the Tu-160 and even the venerable Tu-95.

    Probably the greenhorns, but the vets are having tears in their eyes and shaking their heads in joy, kinda like welcome back old friend. For many of these people the Soviet Union was the best enemy. Now all they do is crawling in the dirt trying to find Abu Al Assholi in his cave or give cookies to illiterate crime bosses and make them presidents of Utopian La La Lands.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:30 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  
    By the other direct to/from runs on the Eastern route they showed the 'short' way to do the trip.

    This trip was not needed nor no accident. By running it, the RuAF certainly made the point pretty emphatically that the US is not the only one with a fully operational long range strategic bomber force.

    There must be a few analysts in the Pentagon now having to change their view as to the operational effectiveness of the Tu-160 and even the venerable Tu-95.

    Probably the greenhorns, but the vets are having tears in their eyes and shaking their heads in joy, kinda like welcome back old friend. For many of these people the Soviet Union was the best enemy. Now all they do is crawling in the dirt trying to find Abu Al Assholi in his cave or give cookies to illiterate crime bosses and make them presidents of Utopian La La Lands.
    Those 'greenhorns' are probably in their late thirties/early forties so well up the power/experience tree. But I agree, the Soviets were a real, take seriously opponent.
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:27 pm

    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  

    EDIT: Am also seeing the flight was 13,000 kilometers.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:07 am

    Those 'greenhorns' are probably in their late thirties/early forties so well up the power/experience tree. But I agree, the Soviets were a real, take seriously opponent.

    I suspect what they really miss is an enemy with honour that generally played by the rules... someone they could respect on a professional level.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:47 am

    Since we don't have a Tu-160M thread. Something I noticed on the latest ЗВЕЗДА release.

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    The VKS arsenal gets more and more interesting.

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